Are formfitting shirts appropriate?

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As far as confirming with preists: if you ask 10 different preists, you’ll get 10 different answers. For this reason, I refer to the opinions of experts in moral theology, like any interview I can listen to of Cardinal Muller, G. P. Gury, St. Alphonsus’s moral theology, the National Catholic Bioethics Center. I listen to anyone that I can find who is an expert in theology, especially professors like Stephen A. Long, Saints, and the Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith. I have especially been intensely studying Denzinger, a compendium of Magisterial decrees since the Apasolic Age.

As far as the quote in question: Saint Alphonsus says it in a black and white way, in a moment. There, is no way to misinterpret. He says resist “immediately.”

Also, note my position all along has been that we may only be fully culpable, with sufficient knowledge and consent, of only a small percentage of our complacencies and lustful thoughts. But since a small percentage of a very, very large number, is still “large,” we can still very well be culpable of so many mortal sins that we cannot count the number that we committed the next time that we go to confession.

I said “can,” not “guaranteed.” Also, we do not know how God’s infinite Mercy interacts with his infinite Justice. It is possible that even if we are culpable of many, many mortal sins, we can still be forgiven with true sorrow. I didn’t say every single complacency was a mortal sin, rather, that it is very possible to have sufficient consent and knowledge to be a mortal sin (even from only a moment.) Therefore, we must be constantly vigilant and ready to resist temptations (no day dreaming). Saint Alphonsus’s advice: Beseech God and pray as often as possible.

Also, Saint Alphonsus loves this quote from the Bible: work out your salvation in fear and trembling.

But St. Alphonsus’s tone is only one path to Holiness, among many. And I agree, his tone is not optimal for evangelization. But we must “operate” with vigilance at all times. But remember, there are many equally valid paths to Holiness. Take Pope Francis’s tone for example:)
 
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The goal is to follow Christ. There is only one way to do that. The Church provides the details.
 
I like Victorian :raising_hand_man:t2:

Us guys had to dress pretty sharp too!

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Modesty, modesty, modesty…if you are a believer in Christ and are choosing to follow Jesus then modesty, modesty and again…Modesty. The mother of God is a model for all women, teenagers and children. Again…Modesty, modesty …the answer is so simple.
 
Women are blamed for wearing clothing that men consider to emphasize their femininity. What were these men doing?
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Exactly!! I sometimes have to quickly avert my eyes because some men are indeed blessed! 😊
 
Very much a distraction. We live in today. So-called fashion designers tend to ruin everything. Or as much as they can.
 
I agree that today it would very much be a distraction. At that time, however, why were they wearing it? Was it practical or was it to entice the ladies?
 
I have spoken to reenactors. It appears that fashion designers offer things to the well-heeled. If they wear it, there is a trickle down effect.
 
Of course it does. The well heeled live by their fashion statements and designers live by the well heeled. That’s pretty much how we’ve gotten every fashion change throughout history.
 
All this talk on clothing, it makes me wonder, how would Our Lady dress in these modern times if she came to earth?

Would she wear pants? Makeup? High heels?

I don’t know.

I do recall an exchange Our Lady of Fatima had with the Fatima children when they offered her perfume. She gently said: “There is no need for such things in heaven.”

It got me to thinking “What do we need here on earth?” Our Lord knows we tend to be inclined towards things such as vanity and lust. He did say if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out! Better for a man to lose his eye on earth than to be cast down to hell! That tells me you have a personal responsibility for what you choose to look at. Keep your eyes in check, as hard as it may be! (And believe me, it can be hard at times, I have been guilty of this sin in the past)

Did Our Lord when he walked the earth correct women for their choice of outfit? There’s no written account of this in any of the Gospels, but there is certainly accounts of women’s modesty written in the Epistles of Saint Paul, and other Saints throughout history.

There is widespread disagreement on what clothing articles a woman can wear that are immodest or not. At my church the guidelines our priest has for dress code for women are: no bare shoulders, skirts and dresses should fall at least to the knees. That’s it. Seems fairly simple, and I don’t think there is anything oppressive about that.

Outside of church, is it a problem for a woman in Western culture to bear her shoulders? I really don’t think it’s problematic. I think you can do things tastefully and distastefully. For example, a full length strapless dress is elegant in my opinion, a tube top paired with a mini skirt is trashy.

There is a saying: “What would Our Lady do?” If you think Our Blessed Mother would find your outfit embarrassing, or offensive, it probably is!
 
I reject the fashion industry. I am currently wearing the same type of shoes I wore when I was 18. The fashion industry can keep their $200 and up “fashionable” shoes.
 
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