Are miracles worthless?

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The other night I had a post about the miracles performed by other religious historical figures. Alot of them are the same things Jesus and the Saints have done.

So my question is, if the pagans and heretics can do similar miracles as the Christian ones…then what importance are miracles since it seems like anybody can do them?
 
No, because the greatest miracle is the Incarnation. And nothing measures to it. And without it, we’d be helpless. Not to mention how much it shows God’s love, that he would become flesh at all.

It’s also still the hardest miracle for anyone to believe. There are some who even say they like Jesus, but they don’t believe he was God.
 
Again, people do not “perform” miracles.

Miraculous things occur through the will of God.
 
Miracles are performed by God, through intercession of Saints , for the glory of God.

If a so called ‘miracle’ does not satisfy these conditions, it’s not a miracle.
 
straykat said:
No, because the greatest miracle is the Incarnation
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the incarnation is not a miracle, but a mystery. A miracle is an event that is against the laws of nature (like walking on the water, resurrecting a dead person, etc.). and that is verifiable by witnesses presents.
 
Fair enough.

I’ll just offer one thing about regular “miracles” that I actually posted in another thread:

Moses staff vs the magicians of Pharaoh. There’s much to learn there.
 
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It’s very uncommon for magical or unnatural occurrences to follow heretics or pagans. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

I would say, however, that I consider miracles to be a weaker piece of evidence for Christian theism than most of the logical arguments for it. Miracles aren’t even in my top 10 reasons to believe.
 
A wonderful miracle that was performed by Jesus can still be seen today. It is His Image that He imprinted onto His burial cloth when His corpse vanished. No other image of this kind is known to exist anywhere in the world.
And it is the most valuable material object in the world, certainly NOT worthless.
 
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I would say, however, that I consider miracles to be a weaker piece of evidence for Christian theism than most of the logical arguments for it. Miracles aren’t even in my top 10 reasons to believe.
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Same here, I’ve also never seen nor investigated a miracle. I find them irrelevant to my spiritual journey.
 
I would be very skeptical of pagans performimg miracles. With that said miracles do happen. Jesus in the Eucharist is truly present, the same Jesus that walked in Galillee and was crucified in Jerusalem, he still performs miracles, go to Jesus in the Eucharist!
 
Theo520 said:
Same here, I’ve also never seen nor investigated a miracle. I find them irrelevant to my spiritual journey.
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This is true for me also, after a fashion. When it comes to reasons for belief, or for moral, religious or spiritual guidance, miracles are generally a non-factor.

This is odd, in some ways, because I desperately crave the dynamic, the supernatural and the miraculous, and chafe against anything associated with normal human traits and societies, so in a sense, miracles are my primary motivation for seeking Heaven (I want to go somewhere, where I can reliably experience them,) and yet, are near-complete non-factors in terms of teaching me how to go about doing that.
 
Miracles are evidence of the mercy of God. He’s not picky over who receives them.
 
miracles are one in a billion, often when few are even witness to them.

If miracles were integral to our faith, we’d all get to see or experience one.
 
Transsubstantiation and the miracle of birth are every day miracles.
 
The gift of life is wonderful, but not a religious miracle.

Transsubstantiation is a mental thing, nothing to witness and nothing that can be verified.
 
Theo520 said:
Transsubstantiation is a mental thing, nothing to witness and nothing that can be verified.
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No. Transsubstantiation is an actual, physical miracle; it’s just not one that can be proved to have taken place through our senses alone (barring the occasional visible transformation of the host, which does sometimes happen, but is very uncommon.) It is not merely in our minds.
 
Please point to documented evidence there is a physical (measurable) change.
If you can’t do that, then it isn’t a physical miracle, like when there is a healing.
 
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