you did not read my last message. we can only argue if you can find mormon scripture after 27 feb 1833. that says its fine to drink. thats why it’s called a revelation. remember your arguing mormon doctrine here not yours.
Apparently, only untill you have another new revelation or update.
Let me put your inquiring mind to rest by letting you know that I DO study the teachings of Holy Mother Church and know said teachings to be the only inerrant Word of God.
whoops we are not listerning.mormon doctrine. as an lost member you know the truth. that the w o w became a commandment in 1851 by brigham young are you saying as an exmember of many years that you did not know this. The W o W was explained to you and unless your memory is like mine which i suspect its not. You know which bits you must obay to be considerd worthy by the church to enter the Temple.Again as an exmember of many years when did you read that it was ok to cook with alcohol. As an ex member you know we teach of christ or why were you a member for those years. and maybe if you did not keep to the promise that you made to god then maybe i can understand why you are now attacking the church. brigham young left a message in toole utah 17 aug 1867 why dont you look it up in the journal of discourses12:117 or in the discourses of brigham young 183
at last a catholic that recognizes that we need modern revalation. can i set up an appointment with ou elders so you can learn more. has the Saviour not spoken in the last 2000 years.
I can assure you that I am NOT lost. I find this here somewhat problematic. First of all, why isn’t BY making it a commandment and defining hot drinks as tea and coffee, etc. in the standard works? If LDS doctrine is only that which exists in scripture then it’s a problem because the WoW is then only a suggestion and is undefined. If you are telling me that uncanonized proclamations by BY are binding doctrine then you open up a huge can of worms. (Adam God, blood atonement, Jesus polygamy, moon inhabitants, etc.)
But LDS doctrine changes periodically and I do NOT claim to be the expert on LDS doctrine. I have never had anyone explain to me why iced tea keeps you out of the temple but you can pound all the beef and pork down your gullet that you want even though the same WoW says not to. I was hoping that yuo could share how you reconcile that.
When did I read that it’s okay to play basketball? yet every LDS chapel in America has a basketball court. I never heard, read, saw or had been made aware that any LDS member thought it was wrong. I was always told that it was prohibited by the WoW to drink coffee, tea, alcoholic beverages or to use illegal drinks. Proper use of medications containing alcohol was okay and cooking with wine was okay.
No, I know that the LDS church teaches people to worship an exalted man who was once like us and his literal son who was chosen democratically by a majority of us to be our savior. I do not believe that accurately describes the one true God. (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) I worship God now and not Jospeh Smiths “elohim”, “Jehovah” or “michael”. I was a member because I did not know any better. LDS is what my parents taught me. Careful study aided by the loving help of the one true God has shown me that I was wrong.
first of all I am NOT attacking YOU. I am not attacking YOUR beliefs. I do not know even know what you believe, from your posts you seemed to embrace some positions that were new to me. I apologize if you thought any of my comments were personal attacks. As for BY, He used tobacco most of his time as president of the LDS church. He told the LDS to bring coffe and tea west. When he didn’t want their money leaving the area to import these items he stopped people from using them. He owned and operated one of Utahs first distilleries. He was self -indulgent polygamist who participated in Joseph Smiths deception on this. The original book of commandments published a stinging rebuke to all who accused mormons of polygamy. Yet Joseph was already married to multiple women. If you want top go by the Journal of discourses then we’re back to inhabitants of the moon, adam-God, Jesus polygamy and so on. (not to mention the death penalty for interacial marriage)
I can assure you that I am NOT lost. I find this here somewhat problematic. First of all, why isn’t BY making it a commandment and defining hot drinks as tea and coffee, etc. in the standard works? If LDS doctrine is only that which exists in scripture then it’s a problem because the WoW is then only a suggestion and is undefined. If you are telling me that uncanonized proclamations by BY are binding doctrine then you open up a huge can of worms. (Adam God, blood atonement, Jesus polygamy, moon inhabitants, etc.)
Lost is the wrong word. first as a child or young adult you did not gain a full knowledge of the lds church.
brigham young did in 1851 with the consent of the membership.
modern revelation.
its clear on this last bit that you did not understand the churches teachings.
But LDS doctrine changes periodically and I do NOT claim to be the expert on LDS doctrine. I have never had anyone explain to me why iced tea keeps you out of the temple but you can pound all the beef and pork down your gullet that you want even though the same WoW says not to. I was hoping that yuo could share how you reconcile that.
modern day revelation thats why things apear to change.
i assumed that you had been taught when in the church as a child or youth. this seems not to have happend. in a recommed iterview we are asked about smoking,drinking,tea and coffee and habit forming drugs see brighams youngs statement again. the remainder of the w o w is advice that comes with a promise read it again and remember when it was written.
When did I read that it’s okay to play basketball? yet every LDS chapel in America has a basketball court. I never heard, read, saw or had been made aware that any LDS member thought it was wrong. I was always told that it was prohibited by the WoW to drink coffee, tea, alcoholic beverages or to use illegal drinks. Proper use of medications containing alcohol was okay and cooking with wine was okay.
well as an older british person there probably should be a ban on basket ball especialy if your short like me.
the cooking is wrong its common sense. for us i am sure there are lots of mormons who do use this excuse but they are wrong.
propermedication as long as it is medication is fine since the ban on cfcs ashma inhalers now contain it.
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i think you need to look in the old and new testements. but you do seem to have missed the above posts. the word of wisdom is adressed to my church it only applies if you were to join my church so ether there are a lot of catholics who want to join our church or your trying to bash which is not christ like. so as it applies to my church all the prophets of my church have said the same about the w o w.
You fail to address my question and begin to assume/change the topic of the discussion. What I asked was clear.i think you need to look in the old and new testements. but you do seem to have missed the above posts. the word of wisdom is adressed to my church it only applies if you were to join my church so ether there are a lot of catholics who want to join our church or your trying to bash which is not christ like. so as it applies to my church all the prophets of my church have said the same about the w o w.
Could you please clarify your rebutals? It will make the discussion easier on us.
oh good lets have a deep look at revealations then and work out who john was talking about. i know it was not my church.
then you are very much on the path to hell you cannot keep covenants you make, and like other apostates that lead people astay you face the future that is set for you by your actions. as you keep telling me repent but unlike your present church death bed repentance will not save you. you taught in my church and then your guilty of leading all us poor sinners into the path of hell. have you gone to them all and begged them for forgiveness for teaching the false teachings. oh you are in trouble.
Not very charitable, Paul. When has Majick ever used invective like this in any of his posts?
I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I, in any way, said that anyone needs modern revelation. Hopefully, you were joking.