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JMM1957
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By the way, did we ever establish a good definition of what a Christian is here on this thread yet? I mean one that Jesus himself would agree with? 
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ajcstr
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I guess the point I am making is it all depends on your perspective. From a Mormon/Catholic/Orthodox/yada, yada yada perspective nobody is going to convince them they are not Christians if they believe themselves to be.
Kinda looks like from the 400+ posts preceding this that its a more subjective classification than an objective one.By the way, did we ever establish a good definition of what a Christian is here on this thread yet? I mean one that Jesus himself would agree with?
Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, “Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you.”
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jane_doe
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JMM1957
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I’m with you.
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ajcstr
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Maybe we need to take the IRS lead and come up with one of these:By the way, did we ever establish a good definition of what a Christian is here on this thread yet? I mean one that Jesus himself would agree with?
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Support TestThe only person I KNOW is not a Christian is Donald Trump because the Pope said so !
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LutheranScholar
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Excellent quotation!
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ajcstr
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And from a previous thread we were both in, you know my feelings on this issueExcellent quotation!
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Michael68
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The Pope said some of his ideas are not Christian.
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ajcstr
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I know - just being a wise-***
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JMM1957
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Must have missed that, but I don’t watch the news much. I do remember Trump stating that he was a not just a Christian, but a “very good one” at that.
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Michael68
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Oops, carry on
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LutheranScholar
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Aye, sir, I do.And from a previous thread we were both in, you know my feelings on this issue
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johnnyc176
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No because they do not follow Christ, do not recognize His Divinity and so do not recognize His Church, the Catholic Church. Of course, the protestants also do not recognize Christ’s Church and means of Grace, the Sacraments and also have altered God’s Word but the difference is they recognize Christ’s Divinity. In any case we can hope that all come to know the fullness of the Truth of Jesus Christ and His Church, the Catholic Church.
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MichaelP3
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Ouch! Do you normally get replies from us if this is the approach you take?
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Michael68
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Care to explain what you think is wrong with that statement?
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MichaelP3
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Rather not because you know what I want to say and you already have something in return and then I say something and so it carries on for some time.
I can just say that I can also resort to single statements (Although I may get into deeper trouble here) and say I am only talking the truth and that’s that case and point. I however don’t because I don’t believe that’s the purpose of CA forums and it won’t be very fruitful with all our time wasted. Just a thought, maybe some like that kind of “conversation”…
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Michael68
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Nice. Can you converse about what you think is wrong with that statement? Is it the sacraments (which is how Grace is conveyed )? Is it how protestants don’t recognize Christ’s Church. Lets have a conversation
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ajcstr
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It’s clear to me from the 600+ prior posts that with Catholic vs Mormon, aside from differences in practice, we have major differences in how we view God the Father and in how we view the Trinity.
Catholic vs Protestant agree 100% on these points, our major differences are more with regard to salvation (which is pretty important too).
So getting back to the original question.
MOST people would say that Catholics and Protestants are both Christian faiths. Mormonism is a little more fuzzy in that just from the discussion here I would say they have just as powerful a love for Christ, and recognize him as divine, but they would have issue I would think with the Nicene creed. Some would say this knocks them out of the box because they have a different view of the Christian God/Trinity. I don’t know the answer.
In my opinion apart from the general incapacity for the general population to recognize what a problem sin is, it REALLY troubles me that we have several faithful people in here that have a true desire to follow Christ yet we know that we are not all on the same path. I often pray that our desire will outweigh our practice in the end.
Catholic vs Protestant agree 100% on these points, our major differences are more with regard to salvation (which is pretty important too).
So getting back to the original question.
MOST people would say that Catholics and Protestants are both Christian faiths. Mormonism is a little more fuzzy in that just from the discussion here I would say they have just as powerful a love for Christ, and recognize him as divine, but they would have issue I would think with the Nicene creed. Some would say this knocks them out of the box because they have a different view of the Christian God/Trinity. I don’t know the answer.
In my opinion apart from the general incapacity for the general population to recognize what a problem sin is, it REALLY troubles me that we have several faithful people in here that have a true desire to follow Christ yet we know that we are not all on the same path. I often pray that our desire will outweigh our practice in the end.
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JMM1957
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Let me quote the entire statement from the CCC:
460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:“For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.” “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”
The Catholic Church does not interpret this as LDS do, we will not become God or God’s in the true sense of the word. We will never be equal to God either, or be a creator as only God is. I can produce for you at least 30-40 Biblical verses that show your belief is incorrect, but here is one which is very clear:
Isaiah 43:10,11 — You are my witnesses, said the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me,** and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.** I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.
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jane_doe
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Actually LDS do.
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