We are not talking about the Catholic Church. You were talking about the social Trinity. You did not adress what I said.
We are talking about what the Mormon Church teaches, not what you believe. You did not address what I said.
I think by “creature” was meant not just a biological creation, but any kind of creation. I could be wrong. In biology, everything is a creature. Likewise, outside of biology everything is, if not a “creature,” at least - created. The alternative is to accept an infinite regression, which from all I’ve seen is an impossibility.
If God is infinite and eternal, and matter is infinite and eternal, then matter is … In that case, Mormonism is a form of materialism. “More refined matter” seems to me to be a buzz word with no meaning whatsoever. Its only use seems to be in arguments intended to deny the existence of “spirit” in contrast to matter. Because Mormonism is materialistic, even “spirit” and “God” must be matter. But we know that thoughts, emotions, the act of inspiration, and so on, are not matter. So the early Mormons said, they may not be matter “as we know it,” but they are ‘more refined matter,’ and refused to explain the term, because there is no explanation.
I suppose Jesus didn’t have bones till sometime after the conception of his physical body. - “The Word became flesh…” (John 1:14) - Otherwise, instead of being a genuine human “conception,” it would be more like a “reception.”
Never heard that one. But it makes a kind of sense to Mormon thought, since the body to them is like a glove, with the spirit existing the body like a hand in a glove.I remember hearing or reading that, but it was quite a few years ago. I was also told by more than one Melchizedek Priesthood holder, and may have read it in one of Pratt’s writings or Young’s sermons, that if any harm is about to be done against the body of an Exalted Being, such as a hand being cut off, the “spirit” within that more bodily part quickly withdraws, faster than lightning, so that the spirit hand is not cut off when the Exalted bodily hand is cut off. Which leads to many difficult questions in consequence. It’s interesting, but fruitless trying to get an explanation for it, in my experience.
Christ is one person in two natures. The two natures are “without confusion, without change, without division, without separation”.
Matter is anything that has mass and takes up space. Such as yourself.
Very beautiful! I agree with you 100%.God in His Absoluteness is truly beyond understanding. How can it be otherwise for a being within a creation filled with conditioning elements and events, in trying to relate to a Being outside and prior to that Creation, as Father Spitzer says, “unconditioned transcendent reality.”
I personally believe that one source of “eternal joy” in the Hereafter is that, while we will not and never could have the potential to comprehend God, neither essentially nor any other way, we will each day find we understand him better, know him more intimately. That’s my personal belief, and if I’m wrong, “God will provide.”
Plus that Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God “made known in two natures without confusion *, without change, without division, without separation, the difference of the natures being by no means removed because of the union, but the property of each nature being preserved and coalescing in one prosopon [person] and one hupostasis [subsistence]–not parted or divided into two prosopa [persons], but one and the same Son, only-begotten, divine Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
Thanks Rebecca:thumbsup:
Wow, never heard that one till now.
Someone offered: “Mt St. Helens blackened the sun over a considerable area for a few days.” I hardly think a minor volcanic eruption was what John saw. Bigger ones that St. Helen’s have occurred during the 20 centuries from then till now.
Which is obviously, patently not the case.
If this statement is indeed true, with one being what the other is, why can speaking against Jesus be forgiven while speaking against the Holy Spirit can’t be forgiven?
BECAUSE
One of my favorite quotes, from my old theology teacher:
Honestly, I think that’s giving the Book of Mormon too much praise. Mark Twain’s assessment of it is the most accurate:
I believe a different question was answered instead of the one I asked. I get that Catholics believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-equal. If that is the case, why can speaking against the Son be forgiven, but not speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Matthew 12:32) Shouldn’t speaking against either be treated in the same manner since they are co-equal per Catholic belief? Thanks in advance.BECAUSE
Jews, like US are mortal, Created by God for His Purpose {Isaiah 43: verses 7 & 21}
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The Holy Spirit is GOD, Immortal and Eternal, and ONE’ Co-Equal in every sense of the word, and the WORD.
John 3: 1-17 {and yes my fried we are aware that you choose not to accept Johns writings & TEACHINGS; just WHY this is though is a bit of a mystery:shrug:
Today’s Catholic Bible had already existed for some 1,500 years before Joseph Smith
HERE WE FIND THE Trinity, in one place, at the same time
" [13] Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to the Jordan, unto John, to be baptized by him. [14] But John stayed him, saying: I ought to be baptized by thee, and comest thou to me? [15] And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice. Then he suffered him.[16] And Jesus being baptized, [THE SON OF GOD} forthwith came out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove,[GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT} and coming upon him. [17] And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased {GOD THE FATHER} …AMEN!
God Bless you and thanks for asking
They are co-equal in Divinity, however the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same Person.