Are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Christian?

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Like I said I just want the definition of what a Christian is and why if they follow Christ in a different way than us does it mean they aren’t? For example it’s easy to understand why the other Abrahamic Religions aren’t Christian. Judaism rejects Jesus all together and Islam says he was a prophet and messenger along with Moses and Noah and also believe in a final prophet Muhammad but reject Christ was more than a prophet of God. Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses may have a different view on the trinity but in the end follow Christ just in a different way…
 
Like I said I just want the definition of what a Christian is and why if they follow Christ in a different way than us does it mean they aren’t? For example it’s easy to understand why the other Abrahamic Religions aren’t Christian. Judaism rejects Jesus all together and Islam says he was a prophet and messenger along with Moses and Noah and also believe in a final prophet Muhammad but reject Christ was more than a prophet of God. Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses may have a different view on the trinity but in the end follow Christ just in a different way…
Who gets to come up with this definition?
 
I don’t believe Mormonism is orthodox Christianity but I know many Mormons and they make better orthodox Christians than many people who call themselves Christians including some regular attenders of corporate worship. I really admire how so many actually practise what they preach, are more likely to be better witnesses of Christ than many Christians despite errors in their religion and that they do not get so entangled with the West’s toxic and perverse culture. They put many Christians to shame. They live lives Christians should be living aside from some certain restrictions like caffeine.
Agree with this.

Not under the umbrella of Orthodox Christianity.

BUT, they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. They LIVE IT, imo.
 
I have always debated this. From what I have read they do have similarities however the differences make it impossible for a traditional Christian to accept these groups as Christian. I try to give them a second doubt as some Protestant Christians say Catholics aren’t Christian. In any case this is how their websites defend them as being Christian. Thoughts please as I am very conflicted on this.

jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/
ttps://www.mormon.org/faq/topic/about-mormons/question/mormon-christian
Short Answer: Yes

Long Answer: Yes because if one defines a Christian as someone believing in Jesus.
 
Like I said I just want the definition of what a Christian is and why if they follow Christ in a different way than us does it mean they aren’t? For example it’s easy to understand why the other Abrahamic Religions aren’t Christian. Judaism rejects Jesus all together and Islam says he was a prophet and messenger along with Moses and Noah and also believe in a final prophet Muhammad but reject Christ was more than a prophet of God. Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses may have a different view on the trinity but in the end follow Christ just in a different way…
Mormons and JW don’t believe in the Trinity that’s a classical Christain concept
Mormons don’t even believe in an eternal God
JW are more Unitarian.believing Jesus a creature.
There are people in those religions as well as others religions who adhere to Christain principals better than a lot of Christains ,but that doesn’t make them Christains.
 
This statement is utterly false!! The link below points to dozens of verses in LDS scripture that affirm God is Eternal.

lds.org/scriptures/triple-index/god-eternal-nature-of?lang=eng

I hope this helps…
Definitions again.

Mormon: Eternal God = an entity that has always existed in some form, but not always the same form. The God of Mormonism, being made of eternal matter, of some kind, like themselves. Not God for eternity, but existing for eternity. Sometime, in a time of eons past, became a God, that is, took on a title of God, as they hope to do so themselves some day.

Christians: Eternal God = a unique being (no other like God) that has always existed as God. Never becoming God, always I AM GOD.
 
Mormons and JW don’t believe in the Trinity that’s a classical Christain concept
Mormons don’t even believe in an eternal God
JW are more Unitarian.believing Jesus a creature.
There are people in those religions as well as others religions who adhere to Christain principals better than a lot of Christains ,but that doesn’t make them Christains.
Not to argue too much with you but from a JW perspective the Council of Nicaea was not authoritative and plunged the Church into heresy with the doctrine of the Trinity. Before the council of Nicaea would Arius have been considered a Christian? I believe he would as he was a bishop in the Church.

Actually I don’t even know if JW would associate themselves as “Christians”. I know they have a derogatory term “Christendom” and since they don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus I’m not sure if they use the term. I’ll have to check their literature.
 
Definitions again.

Mormon: Eternal God = an entity that has always existed in some form, but not always the same form. The God of Mormonism, being made of eternal matter, of some kind, like themselves. Not God for eternity, but existing for eternity. Sometime, in a time of eons past, became a God, that is, took on a title of God, as they hope to do so themselves some day.

Christians: Eternal God = a unique being (no other like God) that has always existed as God. Never becoming God, always I AM GOD.
👍 This!
 
Not to argue too much with you but from a JW perspective the Council of Nicaea was not authoritative and plunged the Church into heresy with the doctrine of the Trinity. Before the council of Nicaea would Arius have been considered a Christian? I believe he would as he was a bishop in the Church.

Actually I don’t even know if JW would associate themselves as “Christians”. I know they have a derogatory term “Christendom” and since they don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus I’m not sure if they use the term. I’ll have to check their literature.
Jehovah’s Witness literature refers to the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They refer to others, Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox, as Christendom.
 
Mormon: Eternal God = an entity that has always existed in some form, but not always the same form.
And the Catholic God has never changed form? How about being born? (change 1) How about dying? (change 2) How about becoming resurrected? (change 3)
The God of Mormonism, being made of eternal matter, of some kind, like themselves.
Does the Catholic church formally claim to know what spirit is composed of?
 
And the Catholic God has never changed form? How about being born? (change 1) How about dying? (change 2) How about becoming resurrected? (change 3)
You have modalism going on here g.

Jesus is unique, in having two natures. His divine nature never changes.
Does the Catholic church formally claim to know what spirit is composed of?
Umm, spirit. What is your point here?
 
And the Catholic God has never changed form? How about being born? (change 1) How about dying? (change 2) How about becoming resurrected? (change 3)
You really don’t pay any attention at all to what people here say about the Catholic faith.
 
I feel like Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormons are heavily missionary and they do believe in what they do. I engaged a Mormon once who told me about the apostasy following the death of the Apostles and I in return asked why then do they accept the Scripture which were not settled as the New Testament until the end of the fourth century? I mean it was the Church who decided on it. The Bible didn’t fall from the sky. They could have used any New Testament apocryphal books as scripture if this apostasy occurred yet they stuck to the same New Testament the Church and Magisterium decided on. They came up with some ridiculous answer but I know they knew deep down I was correct.
 
I posted this elsewhere. It applies here as well, so I’m copying it. 🙂

There is not, nor will there ever be, evidence of ancient Jewish culture found in the Americas. The Mormon “archeologists” that cite otherwise require an ENORMOUS suspension of disbelief. Even so, they obviously have a “dog in the fight”, so they won’t be impartial in the presentation of their findings - a touchstone of scientific methodology.

When an atheist archeologist discovers Jewish cultural remnants in the Americas, then we may need to consider their heretical claims.

Mormonism was completely fabricated by Joseph Smith. He didn’t translate the Book of Mormon from the Golden Tablets. He lost them (seriously, just ask them). Instead, he had to use “seer stones” which he placed in a hat, stuck his face in said hat, and received the true word of “god”. It got hairy when other Mormons claimed to have other seer stones in disputes over who was able to take a young girl as their concubine. “My stone said she was mine!” “No, MY stone said she was mine”.

If they weren’t awarded a “survivor’s complex” due to the persecution the U.S. government sanctioned toward them, they would have gone the route of other hack Christian denominations that popped up around the same time; which is obscurity (Church of Christ of Science, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the list goes on).

Mormonism is literally thin air. Completely made-up. If Joseph Smith eventually came to believe the nonsense he was spouting, it was only because of confirmation bias. “Other people are really agreeing with what I say! There must actually be something to it!”

Total Nonsense.
 
Another very important consideration is that in the book of Matthew, Christ Himself said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church.

Any “church” that claims to be a “restoration” of the True Church requires that Hell did indeed prevail against the Church, if only for a period of time.

If Christ’s a liar, lets not bother with any of it.
 
all believing Roman Catholics are Christians. however, being christian does not make a person Roman Catholic.

the various non-Roman Catholic christians share the teachings of Christ preserved through apostolic succession to greater and lesser degrees.

so, perhaps the OP would be better served by re-phrasing his questions as, to what extent do mormons and jw’s share the teachings of Jesus preserved to our present day by the successors of the apostles.

i believe a more fruitful discussion would commence from such a re-phrasing. such a discussion would be educational and enlightening and could easily be extended to all non-catholic, christian religions. it could even be extended to the other two montheistic religions of judaism and islam since these two religions both share in some of the teachings of Christ.

just my two cents. this thread is approaching its conclusion but using my re-phrasing of the OP in a new thread might be beneficial to those interested in such matters.
 
Actually I don’t even know if JW would associate themselves as “Christians”. I know they have a derogatory term “Christendom” and since they don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus I’m not sure if they use the term. I’ll have to check their literature.
The question: *“Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Christians?” *is under the frequently asked questions on their official website - JW.org

jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/

So that is their official belief on the subject, comlete with supporting scriptures.

Lots of the other misconceptions about them are discussed their too.

Enjoy. 😉
 
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