Are Mormons Christians

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nmgauss said:
Did Jesus exist during the time of Moses? Satan is mentioned in the Torah. Is this the same Satan that Jesus was supposed to have created?
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Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. This is Catholic theology and thoroughly biblical, though I’m afraid many are unaware of it.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
nmgauss said:
Did Jesus exist during the time of Moses? Satan is mentioned in the Torah. Is this the same Satan that Jesus was supposed to have created?
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Yes, Jesus Christ existed before His Incarnation. For Catholics, He has eternally existed as God the Son. Even LDS claim that His spiritual birth from the Father and Heavenly Mother occurred before “the beginning” in Genesis, so for both (but for differing reasons), Jesus existed during the time of Moses.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Yes, Jesus Christ existed before His Incarnation. For Catholics, He has eternally existed as God the Son. Even LDS claim that His spiritual birth from the Father and Heavenly Mother occurred before “the beginning” in Genesis, so for both (but for differing reasons), Jesus existed during the time of Moses.
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Is there any scriptural passage in the Pentateuch that can be identified as referring to Jesus?
 
mtolympus said:
Yes. That is my point. It would also be better to say Mormons believe that “Jesus is the Brother of all our Father in Heaven’s spirit children”. Sometimes at CAF, LDS posters are asked to answer “yes” or “no” to something that may be true, but blatently and purposefully mis-represents our position.
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Saying that Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers does not misrepresent your position, after all according to LDS teachings Jesus and Satan are brothers. It does however should with absolute clarity how far apart the LDS are from Christian belief.

Being presented with the difference in a manner many (if not most Christians) see as blasphemous hurts proselytizing efforts with Christians, that’s why LDS members object so strenuously.when others legitimately point it out.

Jesus the brother of Satan and Jesus the creator of Satan take you to two different discussions, the first about the nature of God the second about the problem of evil, it is a perfectly valid to point out that LDS believe Jesus is the brother of Satan, because it leads directly to a discussion of God’s nature. LDS seem to be afraid of this conversation when they cry foul over the Jesus, Satan brothers thing.
 
batman1973 said:
Because several of those are moot points with Mormons. Those teachings have been sanitized. It won’t do any good to press them. Latter Day Saint theology has more issues and holes than “adam god”, or blood atonement.
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I know. that is why I keep asking them. Their fear of the questions is a better answer to those questions than the answers they might try to give.
 
With the book of Mormon, I don’t understand how Mormons would be considered “Christian.” Just to give an example, the BOM claims God lives on the planet Kolob. Seriously?
 
Stephen168 said:
My brother converted to Mormonism. His daughter was 14 when he died last spring. If she doesn’t wake up to the lies of Mormonism, she will not have ANY relatives at her wedding. So much for valuing the family.
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I’m sorry to hear about your brother. There is hope for young Mormons. My observation is that if they do not go on missions or go to Utah (or heavily Mormon areas of Idaho and Arizona) for school, they have a good chance of drifting away. Google is really hurting the LDS church. If the youth don’t get the answers they want at church, they will go to Google.

All your neice may need to hear is that Joseph Smith married some 14-16 year old girls when he was well into his 30’s. Knowing that would hopefully weird her out and get her to start looking for more answers. You could give her the books “Rough Stone Rolling” or “In Sacred Loneliness” which were both written by Mormons in good standing. “Rough Stone Rolling” really helped me to start researching more and eventually make my way out. There is a lot in that book that I had never heard before.
 
LiberalPrincess said:
With the book of Mormon, I don’t understand how Mormons would be considered “Christian.” Just to give an example, the BOM claims God lives on the planet Kolob. Seriously?
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Can you give me chapter and verse of the BOM where I can find that?
 
nmgauss said:
Did Jesus exist during the time of Moses? Satan is mentioned in the Torah. Is this the same Satan that Jesus was supposed to have created?
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Jesus is the God of the Old Testament:

“By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt.” (Heb. 11:24-26)
 
zaffiroborant said:
Saying that Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers does not misrepresent your position, after all according to LDS teachings Jesus and Satan are brothers. It does however should with absolute clarity how far apart the LDS are from Christian belief.

Being presented with the difference in a manner many (if not most Christians) see as blasphemous hurts proselytizing efforts with Christians, that’s why LDS members object so strenuously.when others legitimately point it out.

Jesus the brother of Satan and Jesus the creator of Satan take you to two different discussions, the first about the nature of God the second about the problem of evil, it is a perfectly valid to point out that LDS believe Jesus is the brother of Satan, because it leads directly to a discussion of God’s nature. LDS seem to be afraid of this conversation when they cry foul over the Jesus, Satan brothers thing.
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Are you saying that I can repeat over and over again that “The Catholic Jesus is the Creator of Satan” and it will not be offensive to Catholics? The problem of evil is certainly a valid topic and one we do not discuss often enough!
 
mtolympus said:
Are you saying that I can repeat over and over again that “The Catholic Jesus is the Creator of Satan” and it will not be offensive to Catholics? The problem of evil is certainly a valid topic and one we do not discuss often enough!
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More accurate to say that Jesus is the Creator of Lucifer, but yeah, not a problem. He was created with free will and chose to rebel against God. But he is a creation and therefore had a Creator and that Creator is Jesus. We are also creations and we can choose the same path that Lucifer chose when he became Satan. Or we can choose the path of life in Jesus Christ. God is not evil because his creations, through their own free, will choose evil.
 
Catholic Forums reminded me that i hadn’t posted in a while so here I am.

But I have a question that goes a long with this, since this thread is still up and running.

Does the LDS Church believe in the SAME Jesus as found in the New Testament? Why or why not?
 
No. Different Jesus
  1. NT Jesus- One of the Trinity. Only Son of God (and God is THE God…the ONLY God.,…Alpha and Omega)
  2. LDS Jesus- brother of Satan. Son of a once-human god who was sinful. Son of Adam, who is our god according to Brigham.
 
TheIrishman said:
Catholic Forums reminded me that i hadn’t posted in a while so here I am.

But I have a question that goes a long with this, since this thread is still up and running.

Does the LDS Church believe in the SAME Jesus as found in the New Testament? Why or why not?
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They will say yes but their teachings say other wise.
NT= Mary is a virgin that gives birth to Jesus.
Mormon NT= God has relations with Mary (no virgin birth there)
NT= Jesus goes to Cana to attend a wedding.
Mormon NT= Jesus gets married at Cana. (This has been told to me numerous times by lds in the last 1-3 years)
2 different Jesus there.
 
TexanKnight said:
No. Different Jesus
  1. NT Jesus- One of the Trinity. Only Son of God (and God is THE God…the ONLY God.,…Alpha and Omega)
  2. LDS Jesus- brother of Satan. Son of a once-human god who was sinful. Son of Adam, who is our god according to Brigham.
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kimg901 said:
They will say yes but their teachings say other wise.
NT= Mary is a virgin that gives birth to Jesus.
Mormon NT= God has relations with Mary (no virgin birth there)
NT= Jesus goes to Cana to attend a wedding.
Mormon NT= Jesus gets married at Cana. (This has been told to me numerous times by lds in the last 1-3 years)
2 different Jesus there.
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so if they don’t believe in the Jesus of the NT should they be considered Christian?

Its like saying a Muslim is Christian because they believe in Jesus. They may believe in Him but not the same way that Christians do. Same with the LDS Church. This is just my opinion though. The LDS church are followers of Christ, not Christians.
 
TheIrishman said:
so if they don’t believe in the Jesus of the NT should they be considered Christian?

no. They should not. Following a false prophet and worshipping a mormon god who is one of many gods does not make you Christian

Its like saying a Muslim is Christian because they believe in Jesus. They may believe in Him but not the same way that Christians do. Same with the LDS Church. This is just my opinion though. The LDS church are followers of Christ, not Christians.
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LiberalPrincess said:
With the book of Mormon, I don’t understand how Mormons would be considered “Christian.” Just to give an example, the BOM claims God lives on the planet Kolob. Seriously?
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I did a quick further search on Kolob and found this:

“Kolob” is the name given to the star closest to the throne of God in Abraham 3:3. It is introduced in an effort to teach Abraham that there is a hierarchy in all things. There are many stars, and one star is “closest” to God. In a similar way, there are many intelligences, or moral agents, some greater than others. The greatest of these is God.

Thus, “Kolob” is introduced in a rather peripheral way in an effort to teach about the supremacy of God: Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other…And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all. (Abraham 3:18-19, italics added)
 
TheIrishman said:
so if they don’t believe in the Jesus of the NT should they be considered Christian?

Its like saying a Muslim is Christian because they believe in Jesus. They may believe in Him but not the same way that Christians do. Same with the LDS Church. This is just my opinion though. The LDS church are followers of Christ, not Christians.
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Its about following Christ and His Teachings. Not some mans distorted view what he thinks Christ taught or some new teachings.
 
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