By this type of charity, the object is to prevent people from becoming more needy, not to give them a way to become less needy. If a person is starving, and you give him/her food, the next step is to give more food when starvation returns. This is the object of food stamps.giving something to someone with the expectation of receiving something in return is not the concept of RC charity.
RC charity is giving to those in need because they are in need, noting else, and because by doing so we are following the commands of Jesus Christ.
Your view is not ChristianBy this type of charity, the object is to prevent people from becoming more needy, not to give them a way to become less needy. If a person is starving, and you give him/her food, the next step is to give more food when starvation returns. This is the object of food stamps.
Jesus was a champion of compassion with no strings attached. This, of course, promotes compassionate behavior among his adherents, but it does nothing to enable the poor to become less poor. It is a knee-jerk reaction to the needy. To facilitate the needy becoming less needy, a knee-jerk reaction is too short sighted.giving something to someone with the expectation of receiving something in return is not the concept of RC charity.
RC charity is giving to those in need because they are in need, noting else, and because by doing so we are following the commands of Jesus Christ.
Yes, not Christian at all.Jesus was a champion of compassion with no strings attached. This, of course, promotes compassionate behavior among his adherents, but it does nothing to enable the poor to become less poor. It is a knee-jerk reaction to the needy. To facilitate the needy becoming less needy, a knee-jerk reaction is too short sighted.
Knee-jerk charity is fine as far as it goes. My expectation is that the people of your community are used to productive work. Even if nobody expects anything in return, my guess is that your community will be forever grateful and want to do something in return. Also your community making an effort to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and being aided by outside help will make your community less needy in the future.to nmgauss:
Our community (Pekin IL & Washington IL) was hit by a tornado on Sunday, and there people and organizations providing assistance in every shape and form.
Are all of those people expected to work this help off somehow? Pay for it?
Or should we be humble and thankful, and accept what people are willing to help with?
You tell me which one is right.
One thing wrong with what you’ve written is calling it charity (I fixed that for you) it is not charity if a person is required to work for it.I like the attitude of the LDS organization toward -]charitable work/-] dealing with the poor. If someone asks for help and doesn’t offer to do something in return, this encourages people to be helpless. Victimhood attracts charities and liberals, and according to some interpretations, if someone enables victimhood, additional victims are likely to appear.
If you give to a needy person and don’t expect that person to be improved in the long run, then it is a waste. It’s like giving money to a drug user. He/she will not be improved by the gift.
If you give money to a needy person who got that way because of poor choices, the gift will just enable that person to continue to make poor choices. Another angle is that if you try to make the recipient feel obligated, they might begin to realize that charity may not be automatic.
Less needy in the future? If they are, heaven forbid, hit by tornados again (or any other devastating natural disaster), they will be just as needy as they are today, regardless of how well they “pick themselves up by the bootstraps” today.Knee-jerk charity is fine as far as it goes. My expectation is that the people of your community are used to productive work. Even if nobody expects anything in return, my guess is that your community will be forever grateful and want to do something in return. Also your community making an effort to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and being aided by outside help will make your community less needy in the future.
It doen’t matter what the people of Antioch believed, they simply invented the word “Christian” to describe the disciples of Christ: “And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch”. (Acts 11:26). I can’t find where Jesus said: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye believe that God created everything out of nothing."Yes, and they knew who God was and that he created everything out of nothing. Mormons follow another god and therefore are not Christians.
You can’t be a disciple of someone who you don’t know. Mormonism does not know who Jesus is: John 1:1, John 8:58 and Ex 3:14, John 10:30, Philippians 2:5-8, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 1:15-17 and Genesis 1:1-31, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:1-2 as interpreted by the Catholic Church because it has true apostolic succession since the time of Christ and they were the people at Antioch.It doen’t matter what the people of Antioch believed, they simply invented the word “Christian” to describe the disciples of Christ: “And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch”. (Acts 11:26). I can’t find where Jesus said: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye believe that God created everything out of nothing."
I believe in the Jesus that made all things “and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3) However, believing is not what make one a Christian. It is to continue to follow the teachings of Jesus that makes us a Christian:
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed." (John 8:31)
So, to go back to a question I posed earlier. What did Heavenly Father actually create? We understand that Mormons believe that matter, light, truth, and intelligence are eternal and were not created by Heavenly Father. So what exactly did he create? You often go back to John 1:3 where John tells us “and without him was not anything made that was made”. Well, let’s not forget the first part of that verse which states that “all things were made by Him”. John doesn’t say “all things were made by Him except matter, light, truth and intelligence.” He says ALL things. That includes matter, light, truth, intelligence, and everything in the universe.It doen’t matter what the people of Antioch believed, they simply invented the word “Christian” to describe the disciples of Christ: “And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch”. (Acts 11:26). I can’t find where Jesus said: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye believe that God created everything out of nothing."
I believe in the Jesus that made all things “and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3) However, believing is not what make one a Christian. It is to continue to follow the teachings of Jesus that makes us a Christian:
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed." (John 8:31)
Exactly. Mormons have no idea who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit really are. The concept of the True God is foreign to them. They cannot be true disciples of Christ without knowing who Jesus Christ really is.You can’t be a disciple of someone who you don’t know. Mormonism does not know who Jesus is: John 1:1, John 8:58 and Ex 3:14, John 10:30, Philippians 2:5-8, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 1:15-17 and Genesis 1:1-31, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:1-2 as interpreted by the Catholic Church because it has true apostolic succession since the time of Christ and they were the people at Antioch.
If you’re going to quote me, don’t edit my quotation. By doing that, you have acted as my superior, of whom I was not aware.One thing wrong with what you’ve written is calling it charity (I fixed that for you) it is not charity if a person is required to work for it.
It’s also judgemental and uncharitable (syn. mean-spirited, unsympathetic, hard-hearted)
you are confusedIf you’re going to quote me, don’t edit my quotation. By doing that, you have acted as my superior, of whom I was not aware.
You have accused me of requiring work in return for charity. This is misinterpretation.
It is not mean-spirited if you would appreciate the favor, especially if offered in the spirit of a future pledge. By having an expectation of charity and not doing anything to improve yourself is an insult to the giver. I have heard of people on the dole calling my working father a sucker for working. People who knowingly do hazardous things expecting free rescues in case something goes wrong is an insult to the rescue services.
Before Margaret Thatcher came to power in the UK, being on the dole was considered smart strategy among lazy people. About thirty years ago, I worked with an Englishman who bragged about all the free things his people could take advantage of. Free health care, free university Education, free food, free transportation, free apartments. He had no sense of obligation to his government for providing all these goodies without any need to pay for it.
The real sad thing is that Mormonism originally had these beliefs until Joseph Smith led them away.Mormons have no idea who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit really are. The concept of the True God is foreign to them. They cannot be true disciples of Christ without knowing who Jesus Christ really is.
As I have learned who God really is, I become more and more in awe. The Incarnation is a huge deal. I never got it before. I get it now, even if it is at a very basic level. I am in awe of the True God and that He created the universe. I am in awe that He created me and that He actually loves me. I cannot tell you how joyful I am that I am able to celebrate Christmas for real this year.