Are Mormons Christians

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I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are Christians
who believe in the teachings of Christ’ We believe that we are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. These include faith, repentance, Baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sincerely,

Dallas Murdoch
 
mtolympus said:
I quote the Bible because I thought Chritians believed the Bible. Any one who really wants to know what Christians taught before the apostacy should study the Bible, not the nicene creed. Studying the teachings of Bible is the best way to find evidence of the apostacy.

*You’ve been missing the point everyone has been trying make, so I’m not going to bother anymore. However, it is interesting that you believe that the Bible is errant and fallible because of the plain and precious truths that were removed as a result of an apostasy, yet you cite it as the authoritative source to learn about those truths before the apostasy resulted in them being removed. 🤷

No, you won’t find the term “trinity” in the Bible, nor will you find the apostles or nicene creed. But then, please tell me where you find Jesus or the apostles teaching Christians the word of wisdom, the law of tithing, doing genealogy work, performing masonic temple ordinances, the concept of eternal marriage, that God the Father was once man and now flesh and bone, and that Christ is really our elder brother. Or were those the plain and precious truths removed from the Bible during the apostasy of which the Bible clearly teaches?*

That is because we teach the true Christain Gospel! When Christ sent out his disciples out into the world did he tell them them to “teach the world to don’t worry be happy”? Or did He tell them that they should they go out “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”? (Matt. 28:20)

So are you finally acknowledging the LDS version of salvation - that it’s through works first and then grace?

I will gladly answer your question. This is “Christian doctrine” and it is also “Mormon doctrine.” And, I might add, that this is possibly the first time I have seen this doctrine accurately portrayed on CAF. Thank you. (Please notice however that none of the quotes above say that Jesus is one substance with the Father. That is from the nicene creed.)

So, now will you would you like to answer my question?

Do you consider these quotes from the Bible to be “Mormon doctrine” or “Christian doctrine”?
  1. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid.
    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine, which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness.” Apostle Paul (Rom. 6:14-18)
  2. “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Heb. 5:8-9)
  3. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Jesus Christ (Matt. 7:21)
Fine, I’ll answer. It is and isn’t Christian and/or Mormon doctrine. I could explain, but I still don’t think you’d get the point. It’s already been made by others here.*
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dallas123 said:
I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are Christians
who believe in the teachings of Christ’ We believe that we are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. These include faith, repentance, Baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sincerely,

Dallas Murdoch
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Here’s another one trying to imply that LDS are just another Christian church holding the same beliefs as any other church.
 
mtolympus said:
I quote the Bible because I thought Chritians believed the Bible. Any one who really wants to know what Christians taught before the apostacy should study the Bible, not the nicene creed. Studying the teachings of Bible is the best way to find evidence of the apostacy.
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There is no evidence of the so called apostasy in the bible. Where are the teachings in the bible about Heavenly Mother or Christ’s brother, Satan? LDS teachings are so far away from Christian teaching that heresy and apostasy don’t even apply, it is simply another religion altogether.
 
mtolympus said:
Our faith and works are important and necessary but they do not save us, only the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us can save us. Everyone knows what Paul said about works in Ephesians 2:8-9. He told us we should not boast about our works because salvation is from God, not from ourselves. Some have misinterpreted this to means we are saved only by our faith, but this also is not true. If Christ had not died for the sins of the world our faith would be of no benefit:

“And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins.” (1 Cor. 15:17)

James taught us that salvation does not come to us by faith alone:

“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” (James 2:24)
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Christian faith demands justice, but we are not justified by our doing good. We are justified through and in Jesus, where our faith is centered, and from which works of faith, justice, flows.

All good comes from God.
 
Christians believe in one god-- Mormons believe in many gods

Christians believe that God is eternal-- Mormons believe that God was created [as a man, no less] and later ascended to godhood

I think that speaks for itself.
 
dallas123 said:
I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are Christians
who believe in the teachings of Christ’ We believe that we are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. These include faith, repentance, Baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sincerely,

Dallas Murdoch
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Actually, you are not. You are Smithians. You believe in a Christ invented and morphed by js.
 
twopekinguys said:
So, when was the “apostasy”?

Give us a date.

Once you give us a date, we can determine what was taught before, or after the so called “apostasy”.

I’m going to help you out here. No mormon has EVER been able to provide that date, so, I’m sure we are all anxiously awaiting your answer.

🍿🍿

I’m going to help you out even more here. Many mormons have said it was “after the death of the last apostle.” Again, no date, so I’m anxiously awaiting the date you’re going to give

Since I’m in such a generous mood today, I’m going to help you out even more!!! :eek:👍

We have been told that John did not die, but, still walks the Earth. Can you give us the date of John’s death?

I’m getting so excited, I can hardly wait for your answer!!!

But!! (you knew that was coming right?) If John didn’t die, then the apostasy could not have happened because the last apostle didn’t die right?

Please, please, please give us the date of the apostasy!!!

😃
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Oh my! This paradox is enough to give me a headache! 😃 :rotfl:
 
dallas123 said:
I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are Christians
who believe in the teachings of Christ’ We believe that we are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. These include faith, repentance, Baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sincerely,

Dallas Murdoch
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I thought I was a Christian until I found out the truth. The LDS are not true Christians even if they think they are. how can one be a Christian if they don’t believe in the Gospel that Jesus himself taught?? JS simply pushed his twisted version & ramblings of his own agenda disguised as Christianity.
 
twopekinguys said:
So, when was the “apostasy”?

Give us a date.

Once you give us a date, we can determine what was taught before, or after the so called “apostasy”.

I’m going to help you out here. No mormon has EVER been able to provide that date, so, I’m sure we are all anxiously awaiting your answer.

🍿🍿

I’m going to help you out even more here. Many mormons have said it was “after the death of the last apostle.” Again, no date, so I’m anxiously awaiting the date you’re going to give us.

🍿🍿🍿

Since I’m in such a generous mood today, I’m going to help you out even more!!! :eek:👍

We have been told that John did not die, but, still walks the Earth. Can you give us the date of John’s death?

I’m getting so excited, I can hardly wait for your answer!!!

But!! (you knew that was coming right?) If John didn’t die, then the apostasy could not have happened because the last apostle didn’t die right?

Please, please, please give us the date of the apostasy!!!

😃
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April 6, 1830
 
gazelam said:
We Mormons are full-blown non-Trinitarian Christians.

Let’s just disabuse the notion that to be Christian one must believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.

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That is heresy. To be a Christian, you must believe in the Trinity. Jesus clearly affirmed the Trinity as one in being when he said “I and the Father are one” and “He who has seen me has seen the Father”. In John chapter three, while talking with Nicodemus, in the context of talking about God’s nature and requirements of people, he speaks of the Spirit. He also commanded the Apostles to “baptize [new believers] in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”.

The Apostles’ Creed enumerates the points of theology that must mark every Christian’s beliefs. All who believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as worshiped and glorified together (i.e., believe in the Trinity) are Christians, so it follows that any who do not are not Christians. Christians must believe in the Virgin Birth, the historicity of a very real Jesus (“was crucified under Pontius Pilate” places Jesus at a clear point in history) and his incarnation for our sake. Christians must believe in Jesus’ death on the cross and resurrection on the third day. Christians must believe the Bible (“has spoken through the Prophets”). We must believe in the bodily resurrection not only of Jesus but also of ourselves–and there is no numerical limit such as 144,000 on who will enjoy the Resurrection. We must believe in eternal life. Anybody who rejects even one point in the Creed is not a Christian. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Protestants are Christians, but Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others who reject any of these teachings are clearly not.
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On an unrelated note…we have a poster named Dallas and one with a last name of Houston…

can we get any more Texas cities involved?
 
If they love Jesus and live by the 10 Commandments, will God send a sincere Mormon to hell
when they die? :confused: 🤷
 
truetofaith said:
If they love Jesus and live by the 10 Commandments, will God send a sincere Mormon to hell
when they die? :confused: 🤷
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Have no idea…but Catechism 847 has this:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.

I suppose there is hope.
 
truetofaith said:
If they love Jesus and live by the 10 Commandments, will God send a sincere Mormon to hell
when they die? :confused: 🤷
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The Catholic Church does not have a list of people who have gone to hell for a reason. We don’t know. We hope in the mercy of God for all people.
 
dallas123 said:
I am a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We are Christians
who believe in the teachings of Christ’ We believe that we are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. These include faith, repentance, Baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sincerely,

Dallas Murdoch
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Welcome to CAF.

Have you read through this thread at all?

As has been pointed out multiple times during the thread, mormon theology is not Christian.

Mormons have taught that God was once a man of flesh and bones…buzz…wrong.

Mormons have taught that Jesus and Satan are brothers…buzz…wrong.

Your own prophet Hinckley stated publically stated that the Jesus of the Bible was ***not ***the jesus he worshipped or spoke of.

If your own prophet says you’re not worshipping the Jesus of the Bible, then you cannot be Christian.

But, again, welcome!!
 
I grew up LDS. I would have to ask for the definition of Christian, because therein lies the issue. Mormons are not Christians if you go by Catholic + mainstream Christianity’s definition. But they do believe that Jesus Christ is our Savior. THEY feel that they are Christian.

Of course, with leaving the LDS Church and studying in RCIA, I clearly see the many, many issues that make the LDS Church false, dangerous, and very, very different from Christianity. But I do recognize, in my LDS friends, a desire to follow Jesus. And that’s a desire I respect.
 
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