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PaulDupre1
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I think the best evidence shows that Sidney Rigdon wrote the BOM.
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taylorf
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Nope, it was all made up by Joseph, or Joseph with the help of others. My point was, assuming for a moment that the Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets, the LDS have no historical account to validate their understanding of the Godhead. Everything they understand about God lies solely on the word of Joseph (e.g. D&C, King Follet, etc).
You’d think that he would have at least thrown in a few verses in the Book of Mormon to support God-was-a-man and Jesus-the-elder-brother doctrine. Too bad he didn’t think that far ahead.
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McCartney
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I always thought that a Christian was a follower of Christ whether he believed in the Trinity or not. The Jehovas’ do not even believe that Jesus was God.
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SteveVH
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That’s because they don’t believe in the Trinity. Anyone who claims to be a monotheist and does not believe in the Trinity is going to have a hard time explaining why they believe Jesus is God. That is why one cannot follow Jesus Christ and deny the Trinity and therefore why one cannot be Christian and deny the Trinity.
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zaffiroborant
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Your so called apostles do not meet the criteria set out in the bible for choosing an apostle.
King James Version said:
Also the manner in which your “apostles” are appointed is not in keeping with the only biblical example of just HOW an apostle is chosen. Nor do they do what the apostles are recorded as doing in the bible. So overall your apostles don’t line up, in any fashion, with what is given in scripture. In short they are in no way apostles, no matter how much you want them to be or how much you treat them as such.
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zaffiroborant
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This is why I find it odd that Jehovah’s Witnesses would call themselves Christian. Why would they identify themselves as followers of someone they consider just a man instead of followers of God. To follow a fellow human being makes you more of a groupie in my opinion.
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mtolympus
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Ephesians 4:1-13 is also very much LDS doctrine. And, it still cleary says that the apostles and prophets were given to the church 13 “until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God,”
This is also LDS belief::
5 “One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. 7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.”
We believe that grace of Christ was a gift given to all mankind. However, when we continue reading into the next chapter, Paul makes it clear that Christ’s gift of salvation in the kingdom of Christ and God is given on the condition of obedience:
“For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.” (Eph 5:5-6)
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TexanKnight
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you keep dodging the fact that you follow a different God and different Christ…why?
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mtolympus
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I’m not dodging anything at all. We follow the Christ that taught His disciples on the mount and told them:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Jesus Christ (Matt. 7:21)
Which Christ do you follow?
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twopekinguys
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That’s not what your ga’s have said in the past.
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TexanKnight
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Ah…so you still dodge?
Why do you follow an invented Christ who is a brother of satan and son of a god who used to be a man?
I follow the True Christ.
Stop dodging
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mtolympus
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Who is dodging? I told you the Jesus I believe in. John tells us how we can know the true Jesus, AND KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM!
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin we have and advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitation for our sins: and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep the commandments.”(1 John 2:1-3)
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SteveVH
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I agree with you completely. One of his commands was to eat his flesh and drink his blood. In fact he said if we did not do this that we would have no life in us. He said that his flesh is real food and his blood is real drink. Do you follow this commandment?
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TexanKnight
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Ah…still dodging.
You keep dodging, and understandably so…how you can claim to know the true Jesus when the true Jesus is NOT the brother of satan and the son of a god who used to be a sinful man.
STOP DODGING
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kimg901
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Ugh. If he is still living? Your missionaries still teach that he walks the earth with 3 nephites so how does and apostacy occur if 1 apostle still lives? And if the Catholic Church is apostate, then why do your apologist try and use what the ECF’s said? None of your teachings make sense. Your church is lead by satan himself and is deceiving millions of people into thinking the lds are Christian. May the One True God have mercy on your souls. On a side note. Any church that teaches something different from what Christ taught is lead by satan in my opinion.As for John, if he is still living. I don’t see that this would have any effect on the apostacy of the Church. Unless he is seceretly advising the Pope.
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twopekinguys
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I think today’s Gospel reading sums it all up.
“Two people went up to the temple area to pray;
one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself,
'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity –
greedy, dishonest, adulterous – or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’
But the tax collector stood off at a distance
and would not even raise his eyes to heaven
but beat his breast and prayed,
‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former;
for whoever exalts himself will be humbled,
and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Can you guess which would be mormon, and which would be Catholic?
“Two people went up to the temple area to pray;
one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself,
'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity –
greedy, dishonest, adulterous – or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’
But the tax collector stood off at a distance
and would not even raise his eyes to heaven
but beat his breast and prayed,
‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former;
for whoever exalts himself will be humbled,
and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Can you guess which would be mormon, and which would be Catholic?
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kimg901
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I almost forgot. So Mt. Oly, I see that you posted some verses from the bible stating that you believe that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are one, yes? So it would be safe to say you and every Mormon believe that God failed when He made the Catholic Church then? How could God fail? Maybe its because you do not in fact worship the same god as real Christians do. I cant understand why you would want to follow a man made religion rather than follow Christ himself. So when you die and are kneeling before God what excuse are you going to give Him as to why you didn’t worship Him but worshipped a man and his religion?
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TexanKnight
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It appears he may not be in heaven. While folks are standing before THE Eternal, never-changing God, he will be with js, wherever that may be, kneeling before the changeable god who was once a sinful man
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kimg901
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That brings up another question Tex. I may have read it incorrectly but somewhere it says that we cannot not enter heaven unless js says we can. And that brings up yet another question. How can they say they follow Christ but follow a man that says he did more for the church than Christ ever did?
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SteveVH
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To be fair, there are plenty of Catholics who live lives closer to the Pharisee than the repentant Tax Collector. Having said that, I would agree that Catholic doctrine and teaching tends very much toward true repentance (Sacrament of Reconciliation) while LDS doctrine tends toward “progressing” by ones own efforts to ever higher degrees of “godliness”. Not the direction we want to go, according to today’s Gospel reading.
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