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TexanKnight
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good point. More proof the lds “church” is false.
All we can do is pray to lead them to truth
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All we can do is pray to lead them to truth
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natistics
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Very enlightening. It’s very true to my experiences in the Catholic and LDS Churches.To be fair, there are plenty of Catholics who live lives closer to the Pharisee than the repentant Tax Collector. Having said that, I would agree that Catholic doctrine and teaching tends very much toward true repentance (Sacrament of Reconciliation) while LDS doctrine tends toward “progressing” by ones own efforts to ever higher degrees of “godliness”. Not the direction we want to go, according to today’s Gospel reading.
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SteveVH
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Where are you in the process of converting?
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natistics
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I’ve been in RCIA for almost two years. I’ll be joining this upcoming Easter. Left the LDS Church with my immediate family about 10 years ago.
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SteveVH
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Welcome to the family! I hope your experience has been good up to this point.
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Porknpie
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Welcome home! Would you mind sharing why you left the LDS Church and why you are in RCIA ?
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iepuras
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Amen! In today’s homily, the priest talked about how none of us is “worthy” and that we are all sinners. The homily hit home because of the Mormon emphasis on maintaining “worthiness”. The LDS church is so focused on “worthiness” and the works that make us “worthy”. Not one of us is “worthy” and does anything to merit salvation. It is only because of the overwhelming love and grace of God that we can partake in His divine nature.To be fair, there are plenty of Catholics who live lives closer to the Pharisee than the repentant Tax Collector. Having said that, I would agree that Catholic doctrine and teaching tends very much toward true repentance (Sacrament of Reconciliation) while LDS doctrine tends toward “progressing” by ones own efforts to ever higher degrees of “godliness”. Not the direction we want to go, according to today’s Gospel reading.
After leaving Mormonism, I have found such comfort in knowing that we are all sinners and broken. No one is more “worthy” than another. Mormonism teaches that some are more worthy than another. They have temple recommends to show it. Today’s Gospel reading teaches otherwise.
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twopekinguys
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Exactly!!
We must have been at the same Mass
What I found interesting was the Pharisee saying how worthy he was, **and ** paid a full tithe, all the while, judging the tax collector.
Most Catholics freely admit that we are sinners, and sin every day, and try to continually work out our salvation. Not so much with mormons. They tend to think they have a “lock” on it.
Thank God for the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
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natistics
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Thank you both! This journey has been challenging but so wonderful.
The reasons for leaving the LDS Church are numerous. From social and experiential, to doctrinal and dogmatic. My three earliest “HUH?” experiences were when I realized parts of the Book of Mormon were EXACT (including italics!) copies of verses in the King James Version of Isaiah (Isaiah 48–49 → 1 Nephi 20–21). My seminary (LDS theology classes for 15-18 year olds) teacher was unable to explain why this could be. Also when I realized, in my World History course in high school, that there was not silk, steel, or cattle in the Americas until Europeans brought them.
And, of course, D&C 132, which is essentially a letter from “God” (copied down, of course, by Joseph Smith) telling Emma Smith, Joseph Smith’s wife, to go along with polygamy else she’ll be damned. “And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.”
My mother, a teacher in Relief Society, was studying John Taylor, the third president (equivalent of Pope) of the LDS Church. She started reading non-Church approved books about him, as she was fascinated with his story and his thoughts on polygamy. Well, once you start you just cannot stop. The LDS Church quickly unravels. It felt so clearly to me and my family a money-making, power-attaining scheme by Joseph Smith.
That said, I think a lot of what the LDS Church teaches about family (aside from polygamy) is beneficial. I am very close to my family and I think a lot of that has to do with our upbringing in the LDS Church. I think the LDS Church works for a lot of people. I don’t judge my friends or extended family for continuing to be active in their Church. I want to make that very clear. This is my experience. I don’t like the LDS Church, but I love many of its members.
I was agnostic until a conversation with a couple of friends got me rethinking about God. I started dating my now fiancé, who is a cradle Catholic, and we started getting kind of serious – thinking about marriage and our future together. I decided I better learn more about the Catholic Church. I have since fallen in love. It’s such a rich tradition with so much fascinating history and an authentic understanding of the Gospel. It just fits me. I never knew, after leaving the LDS Church, that I could feel close to God. But I do. I think every little step along the way was leading me here, including my decision to move from Utah to California, my decision to date a Catholic boy and to follow that feeling to discover. I am home!
As I said earlier in this thread, I understand why Mormons think they are Christian – even in the name of the Church is Jesus Christ! But really, it is such a peculiar religion, very unlike other sects of Christianity. So different, I really don’t think it’s a form of Christianity. Their entire understanding of God is so different!
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twopekinguys
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Thanks for sharing.Thank you both! This journey has been challenging but so wonderful.
The reasons for leaving the LDS Church are numerous. From social and experiential, to doctrinal and dogmatic. My three earliest “HUH?” experiences were when I realized parts of the Book of Mormon were EXACT (including italics!) copies of verses in the King James Version of Isaiah (Isaiah 48–49 → 1 Nephi 20–21). My seminary (LDS theology classes for 15-18 year olds) teacher was unable to explain why this could be. Also when I realized, in my World History course in high school, that there was not silk, steel, or cattle in the Americas until Europeans brought them.
And, of course, D&C 132, which is essentially a letter from “God” (copied down, of course, by Joseph Smith) telling Emma Smith, Joseph Smith’s wife, to go along with polygamy else she’ll be damned. “And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.”
My mother, a teacher in Relief Society, was studying John Taylor, the third president (equivalent of Pope) of the LDS Church. She started reading non-Church approved books about him, as she was fascinated with his story and his thoughts on polygamy. Well, once you start you just cannot stop. The LDS Church quickly unravels. It felt so clearly to me and my family a money-making, power-attaining scheme by Joseph Smith.
That said, I think a lot of what the LDS Church teaches about family (aside from polygamy) is beneficial. I am very close to my family and I think a lot of that has to do with our upbringing in the LDS Church. I think the LDS Church works for a lot of people. I don’t judge my friends or extended family for continuing to be active in their Church. I want to make that very clear. This is my experience. I don’t like the LDS Church, but I love many of its members.
I was agnostic until a conversation with a couple of friends got me rethinking about God. I started dating my now fiancé, who is a cradle Catholic, and we started getting kind of serious – thinking about marriage and our future together. I decided I better learn more about the Catholic Church. I have since fallen in love. It’s such a rich tradition with so much fascinating history and an authentic understanding of the Gospel. It just fits me. I never knew, after leaving the LDS Church, that I could feel close to God. But I do. I think every little step along the way was leading me here, including my decision to move from Utah to California, my decision to date a Catholic boy and to follow that feeling to discover. I am home!
As I said earlier in this thread, I understand why Mormons think they are Christian – even in the name of the Church is Jesus Christ! But really, it is such a peculiar religion, very unlike other sects of Christianity. So different, I really don’t think it’s a form of Christianity. Their entire understanding of God is so different!
Welcome Home!! and Welcome to CAF!!
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SteveVH
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Thanks for this. We need Catholics like you. Your intellectual honesty is admirable.Thank you both! This journey has been challenging but so wonderful.
The reasons for leaving the LDS Church are numerous. From social and experiential, to doctrinal and dogmatic. My three earliest “HUH?” experiences were when I realized parts of the Book of Mormon were EXACT (including italics!) copies of verses in the King James Version of Isaiah (Isaiah 48–49 → 1 Nephi 20–21). My seminary (LDS theology classes for 15-18 year olds) teacher was unable to explain why this could be. Also when I realized, in my World History course in high school, that there was not silk, steel, or cattle in the Americas until Europeans brought them.
And, of course, D&C 132, which is essentially a letter from “God” (copied down, of course, by Joseph Smith) telling Emma Smith, Joseph Smith’s wife, to go along with polygamy else she’ll be damned. “And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.”
My mother, a teacher in Relief Society, was studying John Taylor, the third president (equivalent of Pope) of the LDS Church. She started reading non-Church approved books about him, as she was fascinated with his story and his thoughts on polygamy. Well, once you start you just cannot stop. The LDS Church quickly unravels. It felt so clearly to me and my family a money-making, power-attaining scheme by Joseph Smith.
That said, I think a lot of what the LDS Church teaches about family (aside from polygamy) is beneficial. I am very close to my family and I think a lot of that has to do with our upbringing in the LDS Church. I think the LDS Church works for a lot of people. I don’t judge my friends or extended family for continuing to be active in their Church. I want to make that very clear. This is my experience. I don’t like the LDS Church, but I love many of its members.
I was agnostic until a conversation with a couple of friends got me rethinking about God. I started dating my now fiancé, who is a cradle Catholic, and we started getting kind of serious – thinking about marriage and our future together. I decided I better learn more about the Catholic Church. I have since fallen in love. It’s such a rich tradition with so much fascinating history and an authentic understanding of the Gospel. It just fits me. I never knew, after leaving the LDS Church, that I could feel close to God. But I do. I think every little step along the way was leading me here, including my decision to move from Utah to California, my decision to date a Catholic boy and to follow that feeling to discover. I am home!
As I said earlier in this thread, I understand why Mormons think they are Christian – even in the name of the Church is Jesus Christ! But really, it is such a peculiar religion, very unlike other sects of Christianity. So different, I really don’t think it’s a form of Christianity. Their entire understanding of God is so different!
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natistics
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Thanks! I am really feeling the love.Thanks for this. We need Catholics like you. Your intellectual honesty is admirable.
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SteveVH
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I think I was at that one too. Small world.Exactly!!
We must have been at the same Mass
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Porknpie
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You are going to make a wonderful Catholic! Your faith and use of reason says a lot about you. Stay active and close to the Church and the sacraments…Thank you both! This journey has been challenging but so wonderful.
The reasons for leaving the LDS Church are numerous. From social and experiential, to doctrinal and dogmatic. My three earliest “HUH?” experiences were when I realized parts of the Book of Mormon were EXACT (including italics!) copies of verses in the King James Version of Isaiah (Isaiah 48–49 → 1 Nephi 20–21). My seminary (LDS theology classes for 15-18 year olds) teacher was unable to explain why this could be. Also when I realized, in my World History course in high school, that there was not silk, steel, or cattle in the Americas until Europeans brought them.
And, of course, D&C 132, which is essentially a letter from “God” (copied down, of course, by Joseph Smith) telling Emma Smith, Joseph Smith’s wife, to go along with polygamy else she’ll be damned. “And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.”
My mother, a teacher in Relief Society, was studying John Taylor, the third president (equivalent of Pope) of the LDS Church. She started reading non-Church approved books about him, as she was fascinated with his story and his thoughts on polygamy. Well, once you start you just cannot stop. The LDS Church quickly unravels. It felt so clearly to me and my family a money-making, power-attaining scheme by Joseph Smith.
That said, I think a lot of what the LDS Church teaches about family (aside from polygamy) is beneficial. I am very close to my family and I think a lot of that has to do with our upbringing in the LDS Church. I think the LDS Church works for a lot of people. I don’t judge my friends or extended family for continuing to be active in their Church. I want to make that very clear. This is my experience. I don’t like the LDS Church, but I love many of its members.
I was agnostic until a conversation with a couple of friends got me rethinking about God. I started dating my now fiancé, who is a cradle Catholic, and we started getting kind of serious – thinking about marriage and our future together. I decided I better learn more about the Catholic Church. I have since fallen in love. It’s such a rich tradition with so much fascinating history and an authentic understanding of the Gospel. It just fits me. I never knew, after leaving the LDS Church, that I could feel close to God. But I do. I think every little step along the way was leading me here, including my decision to move from Utah to California, my decision to date a Catholic boy and to follow that feeling to discover. I am home!
As I said earlier in this thread, I understand why Mormons think they are Christian – even in the name of the Church is Jesus Christ! But really, it is such a peculiar religion, very unlike other sects of Christianity. So different, I really don’t think it’s a form of Christianity. Their entire understanding of God is so different!
PnP
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twopekinguys
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All the love, with none of the Jello (green)!!!Thanks! I am really feeling the love.
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Telstar
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Exactly!!
We must have been at the same Mass
It’s been a while since I’ve frequented this forum and I have to say, I’ve really missed all of you wonderful, silly people!
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taylorf
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Can you answer Yes or No to the following questions?
*]Do you believe that God has a physical body?
*]Do you believe other gods exist other than the God you worship (Heavenly Father)?
*]Do you believe that God was once a man and became God through exaltation?
*]Do you believe that God created the Earth by organizing matter already in existence?
*]Do you believe that God created space, time, and matter out of nothing?
*]Do you believe Jesus was an intelligence organized by the Father?
*]Do you believe that Jesus is our spiritual elder brother?
*]Do you believe that Satan was also an organized intelligence, making him a spiritual brother of Christ, as well as ours?
A quick yes or no to each question is all I’m asking. Thanks.
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taylorf
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So I started reading the New Testament for the first time after I left the church (pathetic, yes I know), and when I came to this parable I couldn’t help but read it over and over again. To me, this is EXACTLY how I felt in the LDS church. Being a faithful member felt like it was more about following the laws (see iepuras’ list in this thread) more than about worship. The temple recommend is trophy to prove one’s compliance/worthiness with the law and always screamed Pharisee to me.
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Dorine_Houston
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Not all the apostles were celibate. The Gospel contains a story of one of Jesus’ miracle healings; the beneficiary was Peter’s wife’s mother.
I do not know what is meant by “the great apostasy”. When did this occur? Please give precise date and circumstances.
Stephen168
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I know, I was pointing out how irrational Mormonism is on this subject.
There is no such thing. After much discussion with Mormons it boils down to Joseph Smith made up stuff that contradicts Catholic teaching. Therefore there was a great apostasy. It also includes two Mormon boogeymen: philosophy and Constantine.
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