Are Mormons Christians

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when did we see you hungry and not feed you, or naked and not clothe you, or on the street and not shelter you, or sick and not care for you, or in prison and not visit you?

whatsoever you did to the least of these, that you did unto me.

i do not remember Jesus adding anything about checking first to make sure your charity will have a positive worldly return before helping the least of these.
 
nmgauss said:
There is a principle in economics of investing in organizations or people likely to thrive. By doing this, you are giving the organization or person an opportunity to grow through its own efforts. Our economy and society are better by this move. The investments are appreciating. And tithing and voluntary donations to churches increases.

However, if you invest in organizations or people that have no hope of thriving (e.g. Blockbuster Video Stores, horse carriage manufacturers, fatherless families where the more kids you have the more food stamps you can have), the economy and society are worse off because of resulting bankruptcies and extra burdens on the rest of us. The investments are depreciating. In areas where once prosperous churches existed, donations and tithes have dropped so low that the churches have had to close. If the people in these areas made better choices, perhaps their churches would still be there.

The same principle can be applied to gifts to people who are not likely to put your gift to good use. If you give money to an alcoholic, he will buy more alcohol. If you give money to a habitual beggar, he will go on begging. Nothing productive comes out of this money.

Productive giving does no good.
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Charity has nothing to do with economics.
 
nmgauss said:
Knee-jerk charity is fine as far as it goes. My expectation is that the people of your community are used to productive work. Even if nobody expects anything in return, my guess is that your community will be forever grateful and want to do something in return. Also your community making an effort to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and being aided by outside help will make your community less needy in the future.
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I’m sorry, but, in no way do I see your view on this as Christian.

There are alot of people in the world that do the best with what they have, and still fall short. There are also people who live off of the charity of others.

I don’t do background checks to see which category they fall into. I’m not the one to judge. However, I will be judged.

I just keep remembering what Jesus said in Matthew. Matt 25:40

"The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

We also have Matt: 6:3

“But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,”

Sorry, not seeing a thing about whether or not someone is worthy to receive our help.
 
JesseConley said:
I was LDS for 5 years and received my endowments, married in the temple and was the Elders Quorum instructor (by way of introduction). It gave me a very in depth look at the LDS Church and its dogma and I eould say that in my belief, the LDS Church is Christian on the surface only. There are far too many strange and un-Christian beliefs buried in the less Mainstream Church documents. But this discussion on Charity makes me laugh at both sides. It isn’t up to you to decide who needs your help or if giving will keep them from wanting to become better. If you truly believed in the judgement of God, you would just give and help as you could and trust that God will inspire them if they need it. It’s nowhere in the Bible where Jesus said “Test the poor and make sure they deserve your help.” Just give what you can and God will reward you with much more than you gave to the poor. What happens if you judge wrong and don’t help someone truly in need? Are you willing to risk that? I’m not.
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Well said, and WELCOME!!!
 
=JesseConley;11412600]I was LDS for 5 years and received my endowments, married in the temple and was the Elders Quorum instructor (by way of introduction). It gave me a very in depth look at the LDS Church and its dogma and I eould say that in my belief, the LDS Church is Christian on the surface only. There are far too many strange and un-Christian beliefs buried in the less Mainstream Church documents. But this discussion on Charity makes me laugh at both sides. It isn’t up to you to decide who needs your help or if giving will keep them from wanting to become better. If you truly believed in the judgement of God, you would just give and help as you could and trust that God will inspire them if they need it. It’s nowhere in the Bible where Jesus said “Test the poor and make sure they deserve your help.” Just give what you can and God will reward you with much more than you gave to the poor. What happens if you judge wrong and don’t help someone truly in need? Are you willing to risk that? I’m not.
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Very well done my friend!

Thank you!👍
 
JesseConley said:
I was LDS for 5 years and received my endowments, married in the temple and was the Elders Quorum instructor (by way of introduction). It gave me a very in depth look at the LDS Church and its dogma and I eould say that in my belief, the LDS Church is Christian on the surface only. There are far too many strange and un-Christian beliefs buried in the less Mainstream Church documents. But this discussion on Charity makes me laugh at both sides. It isn’t up to you to decide who needs your help or if giving will keep them from wanting to become better. If you truly believed in the judgement of God, you would just give and help as you could and trust that God will inspire them if they need it. It’s nowhere in the Bible where Jesus said “Test the poor and make sure they deserve your help.” Just give what you can and God will reward you with much more than you gave to the poor. What happens if you judge wrong and don’t help someone truly in need? Are you willing to risk that? I’m not.
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Amen, brother, and welcome! There are several former Mormons who are currently in RCIA on this board, myself included.
 
Stephen168 said:
You can’t be a disciple of someone who you don’t know. Mormonism does not know who Jesus is: John 1:1, John 8:58 and Ex 3:14, John 10:30, Philippians 2:5-8, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 1:15-17 and Genesis 1:1-31, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:1-2 as interpreted by the Catholic Church because it has true apostolic succession since the time of Christ and they were the people at Antioch.
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How does the Catholic Church intreprete these scriptures?

“Jesus Christ is the author of eternal salvation unto those who obey him.” (Heb. 5:9) “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”(1 John 2:3)
 
Exactly as such. But that is a mark against the LDS Church because that church is and most especially WAS out of line with Christs teachings. Christ told Peter that evil wouldnt ever beat his Church. He never said “You are going to mess up, the world will lose my church and then in almost 2000 years a teenager will fix everything”. Unless I missed that verse. 😉
 
Not in those words exactly, but that can be found in Chapter 2 of the book of Daniel.🙂
 
mtolympus said:
It doen’t matter what the people of Antioch believed, they simply invented the word “Christian” to describe the disciples of Christ: “And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch”. (Acts 11:26). I can’t find where Jesus said: "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye believe that God created everything out of nothing."

I believe in the Jesus that made all things “and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3) However, believing is not what make one a Christian. It is to continue to follow the teachings of Jesus that makes us a Christian:
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And Jesus taught that we should eat his body and drink his blood in the Eucharist. Bread and wine turned into his resurrected body.

So do you have to follow some of his teachings or just certain ones to be a Christian?
 
PJM said:
No:o

Because they DON"T believe is the SAME CHRIST we Catholics and Christians do.:eek:

They teach that god the father has sexul intercouse and had two sons: Christ and Satan:confused:

It a SAD but highly SIGNIFIANT difference.

God Bless you and THANKS for asking,

Patrick
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To add to this, may I also add:

Hebrews 13:7-9 Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Do not be carried away with strange teachings.
 
mtolympus said:
Not in those words exactly, but that can be found in Chapter 2 of the book of Daniel.🙂
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That passage is talking about the Christian Church. It makes no logical sense to think that the Bible says this about the LDS Church because it it wasn’t invented for almost 2000 years after. That dream said “in the time of those kings” meaning the pagan kingdoms like Rome would be smashed by Christianity. It didn’t say “after all those kingdoms are gone” that the true Church would appear. It was a nice thought but it’s not coherent with Scripture. Just like the 2 sticks idea doesnt talk about the LDS church. If you read a little more, the sticks are referring to national unity in the near future, not joining with Native Americans.
 
JesseConley said:
So you say Christ was wrong?
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Are you referring to me? Because if so, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! As a matter of fact, I was just reminded of this quote that goes right along with my point:

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Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.

Which goes right along with my previous point: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
 
Lol im so sorry, not you!!! I meant the poster who was using Daniel to say Christ was wrong about Peter. Please forgive me.
 
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