Stephen168
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Catholicism is Christianity and Mormonism is not.
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zaffiroborant
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The purpose of a catechism is to teach the faith, all Catholic catechisms include the teaching that to be baptized is to become a Christian. Those who have not been baptized are not Christians. I don’t know why it’s so upsetting that the Catholic church has defined it this way, why should it matter to anyone outside the church what Catholics believe?
You should be no more upset over this than you should over LDS members practicing baptism for the dead.
meltzerboy
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Good point about the devil, although Judaism has a different understanding about the relationship between HaSatan and G-d. Yes, I know about the history of false prophets, which, according to Judaism, would be thought of as any prophet who departs from Jewish teaching as codified in the Torah (Written Law) and Talmud (Oral Law). My claim is not that Mormonism is the one true religion any more than I claim Christianity as Trinitarian Christians understand it is, or Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and so on. Rather, my claim is that Mormons are a movement within Christianity albeit on the periphery. Since all of the Catholic posters so far do not regard Mormons as legitimately Christian, I admit I may be incorrect about this. I would, however, be interested in hearing from some Episcopalians, Methodists, or Lutherans perhaps to find out what their views are about Mormonism and Christianity, as well as a current Mormon.
meltzerboy
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Doesn’t the baptism have to be in a particular Trinitarian format to be considered valid according to the Church?
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Judas_Thaddeus
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According to the CHRISTIAN Church, yes.
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You can’t just baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, then count it as a Christian Baptism IF you are talking about a different Father Son & Holy Spirit.
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nmgauss
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I still don’t have any idea which catechism is the right one. Can anybody answer my question? Right now, I am less interested in baptism than I am in learning the teachings of the Catholic Church from the correct catechism.
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nmgauss
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Let’s be more specific. How about the Catholic Church?
How would a gentile know the difference?
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zaffiroborant
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You’re trolling here, all the Catholic catechisms you have mentioned have correct Catholic teachings, the Baltimore Catechism is just as correct as The United States Catholic Catechism for Adults or the Catechism for Filipino Catholics. Luther’s Small and Large catechism’s would not hold correct Catholic teaching.
I don’t believe you have any interest in learning the teachings of the the Catholic church, but if you want to the Vatican web site has a catechism and the Baltimore Catechism is available on line.
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zaffiroborant
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Gentile??? That’s an odd word choice.
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Miriam1947
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It is only recently that Mormons have labeled themselves Christian. For most of their history they have vehemently declared themselves not Christian.
I am looking for and having trouble finding a video series which had a former Mormon on and how he was adamant about not being a Christian when he was Mormon and was insulted when people said Mormons were Christian.
Here is an article with a poll which says 75% of Protestant pastors do not consider Mormons Christian.
lifeway.com/article/Research-LifeWay-Poll-Pastors-say-Mormons-not-Christians
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Okay so the question was…
Yes, there is a Trinitarian Formula to Baptism, the only one considered valid by the
Catholic Church (however there are other forms, like Baptism by Desire as with the
thief on the cross), but in terms of baptism by water, Trinitarian Formula applies.
Now I am assuming at last that you are Mormon because you call us gentiles. Is that right?
Now how do we know the difference? WE READ THE
BIBLE and ACCEPT IT AS GOD’S INSPIRED WORD!
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eddie_too
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does not it all depend on a person’s definition of the word christian?
assuming that people define the word differently, then obviously some people can say the mormons are christians.
i understand the concept used by some of post-modernism wherein words only mean what their users say they mean.
that is hardly a good way to achieve knowledge and truth. it also lends itself to creating meaninglessness, strife and division.
if two groups of people mean diametrically opposed concepts when they use the same word, they are not members of the same group.
so it is impossible for mormons to meet the definition of christian that developed over the 19 centuries of world history that preceded the life of joseph smith.
what the mormons call christian is unrelated to the meaning of the word used by virtually every human being prior to the times of joseph smith.
the meaning of the words Jesus Christ are totally different for mormons and everyone else.
it is true that mormons claim to follow a fictitious human being that they call Jesus Christ. the problem is that the Jesus Christ mormons profess never actually existed. the mormon Jesus Christ is a complete fiction.
the most accurate way to describe mormons is as followers of imaginary being.
i suppose they could accurately be called imaginary-christians.
assuming that people define the word differently, then obviously some people can say the mormons are christians.
i understand the concept used by some of post-modernism wherein words only mean what their users say they mean.
that is hardly a good way to achieve knowledge and truth. it also lends itself to creating meaninglessness, strife and division.
if two groups of people mean diametrically opposed concepts when they use the same word, they are not members of the same group.
so it is impossible for mormons to meet the definition of christian that developed over the 19 centuries of world history that preceded the life of joseph smith.
what the mormons call christian is unrelated to the meaning of the word used by virtually every human being prior to the times of joseph smith.
the meaning of the words Jesus Christ are totally different for mormons and everyone else.
it is true that mormons claim to follow a fictitious human being that they call Jesus Christ. the problem is that the Jesus Christ mormons profess never actually existed. the mormon Jesus Christ is a complete fiction.
the most accurate way to describe mormons is as followers of imaginary being.
i suppose they could accurately be called imaginary-christians.
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Bryan_Greenlee
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By what authority do you have to question the Church that Christ established authority?Mormons are not Christians because they reject the most fundamental Christian doctrices of the Blessed Trinity ,proper understanding of Baptism,they have a heterdox view of salvation etc…I’m not in any implying that Mormons are not good people ,but just because your a good person does not make you a Christian.
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iepuras
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Just so you know, many of the Catholic posters on this thread used to be Mormon or have family members who are Mormon. We have a unique perspective because we understand the theology of both the LDS church and the Catholic Church.
When I was Mormon, I understood, on the surface, why true Christians don’t consider Mormons to be Christian and never had a problem with it. I considered myself to have the true understanding of Jesus and that Christians believed in a false Jesus.
Now that I have left Mormonism and am converting to true Christianity, I really understand why Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christian. I absolutely agree with them. Mormons believe in a false Jesus.
So why do you care more about the opinion of Episcopalians, Lutherans and Methodists over Catholics, Baptists, Pentacostals and Mormon prophets prior to World War 2?
Yes, prior to WW2, Mormon prophets were adamant in stating that they are not Christian. They frequently condemned Christians and their false understanding of God and Jesus Christ. It has only been since WW2 that Mormon leaders have been progressively changing the image of the LDS church in an effort to appear mainstream. They now declare “we’re Christians too” and are pushing to make Mormonism look like just another Protestant church on the surface.
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kimg901
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That guy from Heart of the Matter said it wasn’t until 1975 that the lds started calling themselves Christian. He was a Mormon for 40 years 
Stephen168
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The question for this thread is: Are Mormons Christians? That question has already been answered; they are not.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Shawn McCraney, man I love that guy!That guy from Heart of the Matter said it wasn’t until 1975 that the lds started calling themselves Christian. He was a Mormon for 40 years
Don’t appreciate his attitude towards religion,
the Roman Catholic Church, and so forth, but
who can blame him, seeing what Mormonism
has done to him. Pray for him, Shawn is really
a great guy, and is a great servant to the Lord.
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SteveVH
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Do you find a conflict in any of the catechisms? Just wondering why you ask the question.
Edit: Sorry, I just saw the previous posts to which you were responding… I am speaking only of Catholic catechisms. Of course we would disagree with some or many things in catechisms from our separated brethren.
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kimg901
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He is misinformed about the Catholic Church but he does have great knowledge about Mormonism.Shawn McCraney, man I love that guy!
Don’t appreciate his attitude towards religion,
the Roman Catholic Church, and so forth, but
who can blame him, seeing what Mormonism
has done to him. Pray for him, Shawn is really
a great guy, and is a great servant to the Lord.
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nmgauss
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I don’t know the purpose of asking whether Mormons are Christians. What difference does it make one way or the other? If they are not, are they to be ostracized from the huge crowd of various flavors of Christianity? If they are, what purpose does it serve other than to create a hostile attitude toward a group whose achievements are admired across the world.
If there is a desire to divide rather than unite, this flies in direct opposition to what Jesus taught. The object seems to be to hate, not love. Or is it jealousy?
The same attitude was promoted toward Jews in Europe. They were different and therefore did not belong.
If there is a desire to divide rather than unite, this flies in direct opposition to what Jesus taught. The object seems to be to hate, not love. Or is it jealousy?
The same attitude was promoted toward Jews in Europe. They were different and therefore did not belong.
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