Are most marriages invalid?

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Hoosier_Daddy said:
There is an annulment problem somewhere, Either in the US or abroad. Because the divorce problem is not unique to the US.

The Scary thing to me is the absolute refusal of people to look at the issue objectively. Either one side says there are too many annulments in the US or that there should be millions more in the world. And neither side really has a grasp on the Truth.
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Hello,

It is difficult to look at the issue objectively unless you have actual cases in front of you and can see concrete examples of illegitimate decisions. In other words, you may be able to make some generalizations based on raw statistics alone but I don’t think you can say that statistics alone give you the ability to see the issue objectively (using “you” in the general sense throughout this comment).

Have I seen cases where I, if I was the Judge, would have said “not proven invalid” but the actual Judge said “proven invalid”? Yes. Does that mean that I have a grasp on the truth? I hope I do but unless I have some authority in a particular case or in the legal system itself, my opinion doesn’t really carry any weight.

Dan
 
Xantippe said:
Here is a table of world-wide divorce rates.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

The one I would suggest looking at is the one that gives the percentage value for number of divorces divided by number of marriages (I think that’s what it is).

You’ll observe that the US number in that chart is 53. Portugal has 68, which is I think the highest one. However, there are a lot of lower ones. Here are some values for other countries:

Albania 19
Chile 3
Brazil 21
Canada 48 (so pretty close)
China 22
Colombia 9
Croatia 23
Ecuador 20
Egypt 17
France 55 (I’m somewhat surprised–I thought the French were supposed to be sophisticated and just have affairs–apparently not)
India 1
Ireland 15
Japan 36
Mexico 15
Vietnam 4

So, globally speaking there really is enormous variation.

Also bear in mind that people who are legally married to each other are not necessarily even cohabitating, especially in countries with strict divorce laws.
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Having a dear friend in Columbia…he told me that almost no one in Columbia gets married. They just decide who their partner is and run with it. In fact, they have the lowest marriage rate in the world. Which could also possibly account for the low divorce rate.
 
pianistclare said:
Having a dear friend in Columbia…he told me that almost no one in Columbia gets married. They just decide who their partner is and run with it. In fact, they have the lowest marriage rate in the world. Which could also possibly account for the low divorce rate.
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Yes, there’s definitely some weird stuff behind some of the stats.

Americans marry a lot more (especially in our high divorce areas) than a lot of other nationalities.
 
pianistclare said:
Having a dear friend in Columbia…he told me that almost no one in Columbia gets married. They just decide who their partner is and run with it. In fact, they have the lowest marriage rate in the world. Which could also possibly account for the low divorce rate.
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Doesn’t Columbia have a large Catholic population?
 
Tomdstone said:
Doesn’t Columbia have a large Catholic population?
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Yup. The sure do. But they are apparently not talked to about marriage. 🤷
Like Mexico, marriages happen in the courts first, if at all.

The couple I speak of are very devout. VERY. They are the only ones in their families or circle that are married.
I don’t get it, but the hubs was really embarrassed by that statistic.
 
pianistclare said:
That’s funny…just this morning my Irish hubs was talking about how Scotland is predominantly Protestant. I didn’t really know that.
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There’s a sort of cultural religious affiliation where one is defined primarily by which house of worship one doesn’t attend.
 
Xantippe said:
There’s a sort of cultural religious affiliation where one is defined primarily by which house of worship one doesn’t attend.
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:rotfl:

Like those endless stream of people who declare “I used to be Catholic”.
 
Tomdstone said:
The statement was: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…” Why aren’t Roman Catholics getting married in Columbia, but in non-Catholic countries such as China or Japan, most non-Catholics will get married?
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You’d have to ask their clergy.
 
Tomdstone said:
The statement was: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…” Why aren’t Roman Catholics getting married in Columbia, but in non-Catholic countries such as China or Japan, most non-Catholics will get married?
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Wait–haven’t we seen a million articles about how young Japanese are avoiding marriage like the plague? Obviously, they don’t do a lot of unwed childbearing, but young Japanese are avoiding marriage and parenthood.

wsj.com/articles/japans-low-marriage-rate-concerns-minister-1405669862
 
I believe that many people get divorced because they put a lot of effort into having a wedding.
A marriage?
Not so much.
 
Xantippe said:
Wait–haven’t we seen a million articles about how young Japanese are avoiding marriage like the plague? Obviously, they don’t do a lot of unwed childbearing, but young Japanese are avoiding marriage and parenthood.

wsj.com/articles/japans-low-marriage-rate-concerns-minister-1405669862
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True to some extent. But the marriage rate for Japanese women aged 25 to 29 was 52% in 1995. this is a lot more than in a Roman Catholic country like Columbia where according to a post on this thread: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…” Why in a non-Catholic country such as Japan is the recent marriage rate for Japanese women aged 25 to 29 equal to 52%, but in a Roman Catholic country like Columbia: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…”
 
Tomdstone said:
True to some extent. But the marriage rate for Japanese women aged 25 to 29 was 52% in 1995. this is a lot more than in a Roman Catholic country like Columbia where according to a post on this thread: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…” Why in a non-Catholic country such as Japan is the recent marriage rate for Japanese women aged 25 to 29 equal to 52%, but in a Roman Catholic country like Columbia: “almost no one in Columbia gets married…”
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  1. 1995 was a loooooong time ago for demographic info on Japan.
  2. There are quite a number of other predominantly Roman Catholic countries besides Colombia.
 
To complete the thought, it’s methodologically rather shady to compare demographic info for Japan from 1995 to demographic info for Colombia from 15+ years later.

Let’s compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
 
Xantippe said:
  1. 1995 was a loooooong time ago for demographic info on Japan.
  2. There are quite a number of other predominantly Roman Catholic countries besides Colombia.
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Consider another statistic such as births to unmarried women in 2006:
As a percent of all live births, the percentage of births to unmarried women:
Non-Catholic country: Japan: 2.1
Catholic countries: France: 50.5
Ireland: 32.7
And if the poster is correct about Columbia, the percentage is also quite high in that Catholic country.
Why do Catholic countries such as Columbia, France and Ireland have such a large percentage of births to unmarried women, but a non-Catholic country such as Japan has a much lower rate?
 
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