Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

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Abu Huraira reported many ahadith from Allah’s Messenger and one is that Allah’s Messenger said: I am most close to Jesus, son of Mary, among the whole of mankind in this worldly life and the next life. They said: Allah’s Messenger how is it? Thereupon he said: prophets are brothers in faith, having different mothers. Their religion is, however, one and there is no Apostle between us (between I and Jesus Christ). (Book #030, Hadith #5836)~Muslim
** Yes, that is true. Muhammad was the like of Moses a.s. and the like of Jesus. He had two names, Muhammad and Ahmad. Muhammad was the like of Moses full of Power and Glory. Ahmad was full of kindness, love and beauty, that is the likeness to Jesus.

Muhammad suffered like Jesus for more than 13 years. So he had a lifetime like Jesus, mor ethat the 3 years time of Jesus. Muhammad was victorious like Moses.

Jesus was no more than a prophet of God. InbibleNT, the people considered him as a prophet. Moreover, he was sent by some One. he said himself that he was sent. That means he was a messenger. That is written in bible and the Quran too. He was a messenger and the messenger is as good as a prophet. Thanks for your post.**
 
#4191

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported:
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:

Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me.

Allah has ordained a way for those (women).

When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year.

And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.

#4190

Jaibir reported that a woman from the tribe of Makhzum committed theft.

She was brought to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and she sought refuge (intercession) from Umm Salama, the wife of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him).

Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said:

**By Allah, even if she were Fatima (His Daughter) , I would have her hand cut off. And thus her hand was cut off. **
 
This hadith states that “stoning” was part of the “koran” revealed to mohamad by allah, but apprently when they produced the book, they left the “stoning” verse out of it…

#4194

'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said:

**Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. **

We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it.

**Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, **

I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say:

**“We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah.” **

Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah’s Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

#4201

Ibn Abbas reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to Ma’iz b. Malik:

Is it true what has reached me about you?

He said: What has reached you about me?

He said: It has reached me that you have committed (adultery) with the slave-girl of so and so?

He said: Yes.

He (the narrator) said: He testified four times.

**He (the Holy Prophet) then made pronouncement about him and he was stoned (to death). **

Gee, for a man like mohamad who had no problem taking slave girls for his own “pleasure”, giving a ruling on others is… ummm… what’s the word I’m looking for…??

Hypocrite!
 
#4191

'Ubada b. as-Samit reported:
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:

Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me.

Allah has ordained a way for those (women).

When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year.

And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.

#4190

Jaibir reported that a woman from the tribe of Makhzum committed theft.

She was brought to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and she sought refuge (intercession) from Umm Salama, the wife of Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him).

Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said:

**By Allah, even if she were Fatima (His Daughter) , I would have her hand cut off. And thus her hand was cut off. **
This shows that Mohammed was nothing like Jesus.

Planten saying Mohammed was loving like Jesus without providing evidence is very insulting to us. This is another post I am very furious about:mad:

Be careful Planten…be careful.
 
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**Yes, that is true. Muhammad was the like of Moses a.s. ****

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**Muhammad not like Moses

Moses performed miraculous signs, mohamad didn’t: “Why are not (signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?” (Surah 28:48)

Moses spoke directly with God, mohamad didn’t:

Moses never thought he was demon-possessed, mohamad did.

Moses never tried to commit suicide, mohamad did.

Moses was clear-minded to the end, but mohamad became delirious and mentally confused

Moses never uttered verses from satan but mohamad had the satanic verses

Mohamad admitted speaking presumptuously in the name of Allah, Al-at, Al-Uzza, and Manat

Moses was never bewitched, but mohamad was

Moses believed he was a prophet before his wife did, mohamads wife was the first to believe he was a prophet.

God persuaded Moses that he was a prophet by miraculous signs of a burning bush that was not consumed and other miraculous signs, mohamad was persuaded by his wife Khadija taking off her clothes

Mohamad said he was different from all other prophets, that would include Moses

Mohamads god is not like Moses’ God

Moses didn’t abrogate his own revelations, mohamad did**

You cannot compare the two - they don’t even come close!
 
**Muhammad not like Moses

Moses performed miraculous signs, mohamad didn’t: “Why are not (signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?” (Surah 28:48)

Moses spoke directly with God, mohamad didn’t:

Moses never thought he was demon-possessed, mohamad did.

Moses never tried to commit suicide, mohamad did.

Moses was clear-minded to the end, but mohamad became delirious and mentally confused

Moses never uttered verses from satan but mohamad had the satanic verses

Mohamad admitted speaking presumptuously in the name of Allah, Al-at, Al-Uzza, and Manat

Moses was never bewitched, but mohamad was

Moses believed he was a prophet before his wife did, mohamads wife was the first to believe he was a prophet.

God persuaded Moses that he was a prophet by miraculous signs of a burning bush that was not consumed and other miraculous signs, mohamad was persuaded by his wife Khadija taking off her clothes

Mohamad said he was different from all other prophets, that would include Moses

Mohamads god is not like Moses’ God

Moses didn’t abrogate his own revelations, mohamad did**

You cannot compare the two - they don’t even come close!
I appreciate your patience with Planten
 
This shows that Mohammed was nothing like Jesus.

Planten saying Mohammed was loving like Jesus without providing evidence is very insulting to us. This is another post I am very furious about:mad:

Be careful Planten…be careful.
**Ben, you are issuing warnings. There is no reason for that. You should have read the life history of Muhammad for the 13 years that he spent in Makkah when he was persecuted and his followers had to flee for their life. That was a hard life like Jesus. Much harder than that of Jesus. 13 years++.

It seems that you have no knowledge about religions. Do not be furious. Try to enter the field of discussion with your arguments if you have any and please behave like a Catholic. If you are incompetent then leave the discussion to some of your senior memebers.

If there was no Muhammad then nobody would have known about jesus and John the baptist. Tell me who believes in Jesus and John the baptist outside your own flock? None but the Muslims only. Do you realise that?? There are many more lessons about religions that you have to learn patiently here on the forum. All are posting their point of view. Why are you upset so quickly?**
 
** Yes, that is true. Muhammad was the like of Moses a.s. and the like of Jesus.

He had two names, Muhammad and Ahmad. Muhammad was the like of Moses full of Power and Glory. Ahmad was full of kindness, love and beauty, that is the likeness to Jesus.**

~ *snip *~ …

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**What you are saying is that each name had it’s own different personality.

mohamad the warlord and etc because you know the rest since we mention it every day here.

And

ahmad the loving kind person filled with warm and fuzzie feelings…?**
 
**Ben, you are issuing warnings. There is no reason for that. You should have read the life history of Muhammad for the 13 years that he spent in Makkah when he was persecuted and his followers had to flee for their life. That was a hard life like Jesus. Much harder than that of Jesus. 13 years++.

It seems that you have no knowledge about religions. Do not be furious. Try to enter the field of discussion with your arguments if you have any and please behave like a Catholic. If you are incompetent then leave the discussion to some of your senior memebers.

If there was no Muhammad then nobody would have known about jesus and John the baptist. Tell me who believes in Jesus and John the baptist outside your own flock? None but the Muslims only. Do you realise that?? There are many more lessons about religions that you have to learn patiently here on the forum. All are posting their point of view. Why are you upset so quickly?**
Mohamads chronological sequence, after his Hijrah or Emigration from Mecca to Medina in AD 622.

It is then that he grows in military power and conquests—in unjust violence.

After the Battle of Badr (AD 624)

The Battle of Badr saw about 320 Muslims defeat about 1,000 Meccans, seventy to eighty miles west of Medina, at the wells of Badr, near a frequented trade route, which led up to the King’s Highway and on to Syria.

He is now strong enough to commit the following acts of violence and persecution without a substantial fear of reprisal.

(1) Before Muhammad’s Hijrah, he used to sit in the assembly and invite the Meccans to Allah, reciting the Quran and warning them of God’s punishment for mocking his prophets.

\A Meccan named Al-Nadr bin al-Harith would then follow him and speak about heroes and kings of Persia, saying,

**“By God, Muhammad cannot tell a better story than I, and his talk is only of old fables which he has copied as I have.” **

On other days al-Nadr would interrupt Muhammad until the prophet silenced him.

It was al-Nadir’s bad fortune to join Mecca’s army, riding north to protect their caravan, which Muhammad attacked at the Battle of Badr.

The story-telling polytheist was captured, and on Muhammad’s return journey back to Medina, Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law, at Muhammad’s order, beheaded him, instead of getting some possible ransom money.

He was one of two prisoners who were executed and not allowed to be ransomed by their clans—all because he wrote poems and told stories critiquing Muhammad.

Source: Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, trans. A. Guillaume, (Oxford UP, 1955, 2004), pp. 136 (Arabic pages 191-92); 163 / 236; 181 / 262; 308 / 458.

Reputable historians today consider Ibn Ishaq to be a good source of early Islam, though they may disagree on his chronology and miraculous elements.
 
**Ben, you are issuing warnings. There is no reason for that. You should have read the life history of Muhammad for the 13 years that he spent in Makkha when he was persecuted and his followers had to flee for there life. That was a hard life like Jesus.

Jesus Christ suffered for simply being the Son of God. He preached Love and Peace. He condoned forgivness, yet His own people turned on Him, got Him scrouged, and crucified! Mohammed didnt experience such pain. He was obsessed with power and land. That is a historical fact. I really dont know how Muhammed suffered for the first 13 years, but I know when he came back with 10 000 muslims (soldiers) all hell broke loose because of this man.

It seems that youhave no knowledge about religions. Do not be furious. Try to ente rthe filed of discussion with your arguments if you have ny and please behave like a Catholic. If you are incompetent then leave the discussion to some of your senior memebers.

no knowledge about religions? I think you are the one. You dont even know who created the Catholic Church. So whos really ignorant about other religions?

If there was no Muhammad then nobody would have known about jesus and John the baptist. Tell me who believes in Jesus and John the baptist outside your own flock? None but the Muslims. Do you realsie that?? There are many more lessons about religions that you have to learn patiently here on the forum. All are posting their point of view. Why are you upset so quickly?**
I know this is another hate post, but I will be patient with you. Before Islam even existed people praised and worshiped Jesus Christ, and they asked John the baptist for intercession.

"Tell me who believes in Jesus and John the baptist outside your own flock? " I don`t think you are so familiar with any other heretics besides Islam. There are hundreds and hundreds of other religions and cults that Jesus had nothing to with,that have their own opinions/lies about Jesus and His Holy Life.
 
… continued from above … more on mohamads actions… and someone else on this board said that mohamad was not evil, perhaps ruthless, but not evil… :confused:

(2) A similar story as that of al-Nadir can be told about Uqba bin Abu Muayt.

He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him.

He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed.

"But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish.

Hell,” retorted the prophet coldly.

Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

Sources: Bukhari, Spoils of War (online source); Muslim nos. 4421, 4422, and 4424; Ibn Ishaq, p. 308 / 458.

Bukhari and Muslim are reliable collectors and editors of the hadith (words and deeds of Muhammad outside of the Quran).

Ibn Ishaq shows Muhammad taunting them in their graves.
 
… continued from above… more on mohamads actions…

(3) Asma bint Marwan was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans, and whose husband was named Yazid b. Zayd.

She composed a poem blaming the Medinan pagans for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise.

Perhaps in March 624, when the **Allah-inspired prophet heard what she had said, he asked,

“Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?”

A member of her husband’s tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night.

She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast.

The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep.**

Source: Ibn Ishaq, pp. 675-76 / 995-96.

(4) Abu Afak, a centenarian elder of Medina, belonging to a group of clans who were associated with the god Manat (though he may have been a Jew),** wrote a derogatory poem about Muhammad, **extolling the ancestors of his tribe who were strong enough to overthrow mountains and to resist submitting to an outsider (Muhammad) who divides two large Medinan tribes with religious commands like “permitted” and “forbidden.”

**Before the Battle of Badr, Muhammad let him live.

After the battle, in April 624, the prophet queried,

“Who will deal with this rascal for me?”

That night, Salim b. Umayr “went forth and killed him.”**
Source: Ibn Ishaq p. 675 / 995.
 
… continued from above … more on mohamads actions… and someone else on this board said that mohamad was not evil, perhaps ruthless, but not evil… :confused:

(2) A similar story as that of al-Nadir can be told about Uqba bin Abu Muayt.

He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him.

He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed.

"But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?" Uqba cried with anguish.

Hell,” retorted the prophet coldly.

Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.

Ibn Ishaq shows Muhammad taunting them in their graves.
Ah ha! Thanks, Pam! We agree again. 😃

Vickie
 
Ah ha! Thanks, Pam! We agree again. 😃

Vickie
Definition of Evil:

Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.

Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.

Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.

Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.

Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

Definition of Ruthless:

Having no compassion or pity; merciless: ruthless cruelty; ruthless opportunism
 
So I guess we all can come to a conclusion now, right? Mohammed performed evil actions when he was present here on earth. Now the question I directed to our fellow Muslims is; are you guys okay with his evil doings?

Let us hear your part of the story…
 
Now the question I directed to our fellow Muslims is; are you guys okay with his evil doings?

Let us hear your part of the story…
They have spoken:
It’s enough for the God fearing Muslims that God praised Muhammed (pbuh) & gave him the certificate of the high moral character. We don’t need any certificate from any non-Muslim , let him/her be the king/ Queen of this world.

And verily, you (O Muhammad SAW) are on an exalted standard of character.

( سورة القلم , Al-Qalam, Chapter #68, Verse #4)
Any Muslim could divorce his all 4 wives & took other wives . But Prophet (pbuh) was forbidden to divorce his wives & take any more wife —these were exceptional laws for him ordered by the God Almighty.
God made that lawful for him.
Having a young wife is NOT a sin , not according to holy Quran , not according to any major holy books.
How come nobody until this century bothered criticizing that particular behavior? How come not even his enemies, while he was alive, who hated him even more than you do, did not make such a criticism?
Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life.
The prophet (s) married Aisha because God commanded it,
This Barrier is puberty. & with puberty God gives humans the capability to reproduce. If he himself though that was too young he would have delayed it.

He didn’t . God approves of things that you might disapprove of . That doesnt mean you are right.
 
They have spoken:
WOW…great post Verisimilitude!:eek:

But its sad to see the truth, but you are right…they have spoken:(

Im sorry guys, but I respected Islam a lot, I still respect Muslims for they are very kind people, at least the teenagers that I am affiliated with here in Germany, but Islam is inspired by the devil. It sounds harsh I know, but I honestly believe if Islam wasnt so strict and Muslims had more courage…50% of its memebers would have left Islam…and ebrace Jesus Christ the true ALLAH. For HE fullfilled all scripture and shows us that He is the Way, The Truth, and The Light.
 
WOW…great post Verisimilitude!:eek:

But its sad to see the truth, but you are right…they have spoken:(

Im sorry guys, but I respected Islam a lot, I still respect Muslims for they are very kind people, at least the teenagers that I am affiliated with here in Germany, but Islam is inspired by the devil. It sounds harsh I know, but I honestly believe if Islam wasnt so strict and Muslims had more courage…50% of its memebers would have left Islam…and ebrace Jesus Christ the true ALLAH. For HE fullfilled all scripture and shows us that He is the Way, The Truth, and The Light.
Islam keeps Muslims towing the line through fear and indoctrination. That summary of Verisimilitude says so much. How can anyone get through to people who think that way? How can you get them to examine what their faith teaches with an open mind?

Vickie
 
Islam keeps Muslims towing the line through fear and indoctrination. That summary of Verisimilitude says so much. How can anyone get through to people who think that way? How can you get them to examine what their faith teaches with an open mind?

Vickie
They are not to question anything regarding islam. What they are taught is gospel to them and nothing else matters.
 
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