Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[Agabriel]

Why kill a child by breaking his little body with stones until dead for cursing his parents? Why send She Bears to slaughter a crowed of youths for mocking a prophets baldness? I would never consider such retaliatory practices good but I don’t see where Christians get off being high and mighty in light of the prophetic injunctions in their Old Testament. Yes you are no longer required to follow them but the fact remains that they cannot be considered genuinely immoral actions by your God or prophets.

One thing you miss is that they killed due to their neighbors threat to them. A real threat - not the redefinition of war to mean ‘opening up the world to islam/allah’.

tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out other’s flaws.

And what Muhammed killed for - camels - were actually camels that he stole. He stole other people’s property because by the time he was in Medina he was broke and he had to find a way to fund himself in the way he was used to living (off of his rich wife). Heaven forbid that his lazy behind work for a living! And to fund the wars/raids that he was continually waging against others.

 

[josie_L]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Is this from God Almighty ? Where did He say that ?

This was a physical reality, as in, that was the age (13 years old) girls pubesced. Do you need God to tell you the sky is blue?

 

[Agabriel]

This was a physical reality, as in, that was the age (13 years old) girls pubesced. Do you need God to tell you the sky is blue?

Basically the Muslim men will do what they want and the Muslim women will obey and even get angry that we get disgusted with this in Islam. Sharia laws are mostly controlled by the Muslim male and why would they vote to change them when it will mean that they won’t be able to have anything they want? I am sure there are some that find this law abominable, but not enough to matter. If their prophet did it - then it is ok in their minds. We see on these threads that they will defend to their last breath his despicable behaviors and why would this be any different?

There is little concern for anyone else in Islam. All they worry about is their own selves getting to heaven. It is all warped. If that means they give their babies/girls to some pervert in marriage then so be it, they do it. They put the responsibility on a child at that point to take responsibility ever after, whether or not that child has the maturity to be able to handle it or not - it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day they take an assessment and see if their good outweighed the bad which is warped in Islam. Good is not always how us infidels see good, and bad is not how we see bad - it is all skewed up.

I have read last year that some countries tried to change some of these more disgusting laws in Islam and to no avail. The population of Muslims do not change them. So much for the masses of moderates at least in this respect.

 

[josie_L]

Basically the Muslim men will do what they want and the Muslim women will obey and even get angry that we get disgusted with this in Islam. Sharia laws are mostly controlled by the Muslim male and why would they vote to change them when it will mean that they won’t be able to have anything they want? I am sure there are some that find this law abominable, but not enough to matter. If their prophet did it - then it is ok in their minds. We see on these threads that they will defend to their last breath his despicable behaviors and why would this be any different?

There is little concern for anyone else in Islam. All they worry about is their own selves getting to heaven. It is all warped. If that means they give their babies/girls to some pervert in marriage then so be it, they do it. They put the responsibility on a child at that point to take responsibility ever after, whether or not that child has the maturity to be able to handle it or not - it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day they take an assessment and see if their good outweighed the bad which is warped in Islam. Good is not always how us infidels see good, and bad is not how we see bad - it is all skewed up.

I have read last year that some countries tried to change some of these more disgusting laws in Islam and to no avail. The population of Muslims do not change them. So much for the masses of moderates at least in this respect.

I feel sorry for Muslim girls who are being married off at such young ages, and all because of a man who had no concept of right and wrong.

 

[seraphime2008]

“I feel sorry for Muslim girls who are being married off at such young ages, and all because of a man who had no concept of right and wrong.”

Yeah…examples can be found here in Indonesia, Syeikh Puji got married to a 9 year old girl saying that he wanted to follow his spiritual leader, many marriage were broken because many men want to have second, third or whatever, if first wives can’t accept and want divorce, they will only to be ridiculed by fellow muslim of not obeying husband or follow the teaching, some muslim fundamentals really want to force sharia to be the legitimate law, some are terrified ,they find that the law will make the society broke …it only bring divisions among the Muslims themselves…they are puzzled.
Yes, islam has brought confusion to them…

 

[LaSalle]

Meedo, I thought that was a very good answer in post #18! Done in a pretty objective and polite way too!

Now I’ve got to read the rest of this thread … sigh … it’s a long one.

 

[LaSalle]

For me it would be much more realistic to think Jesus was a prophet led by God than that he was a God and divine. There are major differences to how Jesus and Muhammad are portrayed but is that because of God or because the power of man wanting to believe in something that may or may not be correct?

I’m only on page 3 of this thread, so forgive me if someone else has already pointed this out to you.

I like the fact that you seem to be pretty objective and, as best as I can see, truly seeking; as your status suggests. Keep it up!

Jesus was/is divine. Why because He raised the dead, He was as Thomas said 'Lord and God", He was killed and after 3 days rose from the dead! Why do I believe that?

Simple. Because the people who SAW this, His apostles were PUT TO THE DEATH because they refused to deny what they SAW. These first martyrs died for something which no other martyr that followed died for. They refused to deny what they saw and what it all meant. All other martyrs, and this includes martyrs of every religion, died for their BELIEFS.

That in essence, is why I’m catholic.

 

[planten]

** J C, our shepherd does not kill. He looks after and guides the sheep. And tries to stop them from going into wrong fields.

Islam tells all about good and bad. It also gives reasons for the advice. It gives proof of all its assertions from the same book. Then Islam tries to close the doors to bad habits. as much as can be done. It provides opportunity to all the good things, towards spiritual uplift of mankind.

Islam gives freedom in all cases where freddom can be given and where the freedom is necessary, i.e. freedom to select the life partner, freedom to follow any faith, freedom to adopt a profession, freedom to hold property.

But it stops people from malpractices. It stops people from leading a harmful life. It forbids drinking and gambling and interest and hooliganism and revolt and illicit sex life.

Therefore, we do not have any pubs. Therefore, it is advised to segregate the male and female to let them work in their own sphere freely. It gives the ladies right to property (since 1400 years.) It gives the right to the ladies to inheritance (automatic without fail). i.e. the right of the daughter, the right (share) of the wife, the right of the mother. All are protected by the law of inheritance.

Should I make this list longer to prove that the shepherd had the very good best qualities who gave us the good laws. If we ourselves, the Muslims, do bad deeds, it is not the fault of the shepherd.

Please note that the shepherd does not kill the sheep but he tries to save the sheep from destruction. Also J C you can tell me where in the world in any country you have freedom to do what you like and you won’t be punished even if you killed few people? Be practical please. Come to the ground level and show me any country where your Catholic theology was practiced?

You theory of the shepherd is as good as if there was no shepherd.

It is easy to sit back and pass a quiet remark about our prophet. But it is difficult to produce any better system for the betterment of the entire mankind for all times.

You people had the bad experience of Capitalism. Then you people had the taste of the Communism. We do not need any of that because our system as explained in Quran is a balanced system of the middle path. It is not inclined to any one side blindly. Please consider it all. Thank you.**

 

[LaSalle]

Jesus (pbuh) will get married & have kids after his second coming . So , then u may say that we should follow him as it’s the natural that human should get married , have families etc.

Why is it that Islam believes that Mohd in the greatest prophet yet Jesus is the one who will come again?

Sounds like you copied the Bible a bit, eh?

 

[Sam_777]

wow how some members here are trying to deceive others without any authentic referencehttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif , Jesus will never get married & have kids in his second coming according to Islam, there isn’t a single authentic hadith mentioning that!, that earthy lusty instinct is for Muhammed and his followers NOT for Jesus, however, here is the most authentic reference about Jesus second coming according to Islam:
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Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0287:**
“Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.”

صحيح مسلم:
قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏والذي نفسي بيده ‏ ‏ليوشكن أن ينزل فيكم ‏ ‏ابن مريم ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏حكما ‏ ‏مقسطا ‏ ‏فيكسر الصليب ويقتل الخنزير ويضع ‏ ‏الجزية ‏ ‏ويفيض ‏ ‏المال حتى لا يقبله أحد ‏
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[eichenb2]

wow how some members here are trying to deceive others without any authentic referencehttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif , Jesus will never get married & have kids in his second coming according to Islam, there isn’t a single authentic hadith mentioning that!, that lusty instinct is for Muhammed and his followers NOT for Jesus, however, here is the most authentic reference about Jesus second coming according to Islam:
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Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0287:**
“Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.”

صحيح مسلم:
قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏والذي نفسي بيده ‏ ‏ليوشكن أن ينزل فيكم ‏ ‏ابن مريم ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏حكما ‏ ‏مقسطا ‏ ‏فيكسر الصليب ويقتل الخنزير ويضع ‏ ‏الجزية ‏ ‏ويفيض ‏ ‏المال حتى لا يقبله أحد ‏
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You think getting married and having kids is lusty??? This is peculiar, given that marriage is instituted by God.

 

[Sam_777]

You think getting married and having kids is lusty??? This is peculiar, given that marriage is instituted by God.

Sorry for the confusion, I’ve added the word “earthy”, I really get angry when someone says that Jesus was married or will marry, because Jesus said we will be like Angels later on :bounce::

(Matthew 22:30):
“At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”

Imagine someone in heavens with YHWH presence for more than 2000 years, yet he will come back to this earth to perform sex!

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Why kill a child by breaking his little body with stones until dead for cursing his parents? Why send She Bears to slaughter a crowed of youths for mocking a prophets baldness? I would never consider such retaliatory practices good but I don’t see where Christians get off being high and mighty in light of the prophetic injunctions in their Old Testament. Yes you are no longer required to follow them but the fact remains that they cannot be considered genuinely immoral actions by your God or prophets.

If you don`t mind, please give me the Bible verses for these events and I will try to reply back to you.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Sorry for the confusion, I’ve added the word “earthy”, I really get angry when someone says that Jesus was married or will marry, because Jesus said we will be like Angels later on :bounce::

(Matthew 22:30):
“At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”

Imagine someone in heavens with YHWH presence for more than 2000 years, yet he will come back to this earth to perform sex!

this belief is strictly from the devil. But I am not surprised, Muslims place a curse on themselves if they are indeed wrong about Christianity, so its really no wonder why some of them talk like that.

at least Meedo is not okay with a lot of the things that Muslims put up with.

 

[eichenb2]

this belief is strictly from the devil. But I am not surprised, Muslims place a curse on themselves if they are indeed wrong about Christianity, so its really no wonder why some of them talk like that.

at least Meedo is not okay with a lot of the things that Muslims put up with.

Sex, with confines of marriage and between a man and woman, is not bad. In fact, it is good and Holy. The implication that it is in some way filthy is an abhorrant thought, in my opinion.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Sex, with confines of marriage and between a man and woman, is not bad. In fact, it is good and Holy. The implication that it is in some way filthy is an abhorrant thought, in my opinion.

Yes I agree with you brother, what I meant is that the dibolic belief that Jesus Christ will return and have intercourse with someone and have children is a dogma from hell. Virginity is also Holy, and anybody trying to take that away from Jesus who burdened that on earth is on the side of the devil.

 

[neploho]

One thing you miss is that they killed due to their neighbors threat to them. A real threat - not the redefinition of war to mean ‘opening up the world to islam/allah’.

tu quoque - an attempt to mitigate one’s responsibility for a wrongdoing by pointing out other’s flaws.

And what Muhammed killed for - camels - were actually camels that he stole. He stole other people’s property because by the time he was in Medina he was broke and he had to find a way to fund himself in the way he was used to living (off of his rich wife). Heaven forbid that his lazy behind work for a living! And to fund the wars/raids that he was continually waging against others.

I suppose people here like spouting off about logical fallacies they apparently don’t understand (this is just the most recent attempt of posters here to offer that impotent response).

If I were a Muslim or otherwise defending the particular aspects of fiqh you find disagreeable on the grounds of the morally questionable injunctions in your text, then that would be an instance of tu quoque. I have not attempted to defend them. I have simply pointed out how hypocritical it is for Jews and Christians to pretend that such injunctions are some Islamic perversion and totally out of line with their religious traditions.

 

[neploho]

If you don`t mind, please give me the Bible verses for these events and I will try to reply back to you.

2 Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from there to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said to him, Go up, you bald head; go up, you bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

2 Kings 2:23-24
And he went up from there to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said to him, Go up, you bald head; go up, you bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

hold on…the bears attacked the children right, after they came from nowhere and just insulted the prophet out of the blue am I correct?

 

[eichenb2]

I suppose people here like spouting off about logical fallacies they apparently don’t understand (this is just the most recent attempt of posters here to offer that impotent response).

If I were a Muslim or otherwise defending the particular aspects of fiqh you find disagreeable on the grounds of the morally questionable injunctions in your text, then that would be an instance of tu quoque. I have not attempted to defend them. I have simply pointed out how hypocritical it is for Jews and Christians to pretend that such injunctions are some Islamic perversion and totally out of line with their religious traditions.