Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[Agabriel]

you’re wrong Agabriel, al-tabari didn’t authenticate his narrations for the reasons I mentioned above, therefore if the narrator whom Al-Tabari recorded from is unreliable, then the story isn’t accepted, if you assume that we believe everything written in al-tabari then you are greatly mistaken.

The same goes for the hadiths, if the narrator is unreliable then it’s not accepted.
As for the Qur’an, you are simply misinterpreting the verses to suit your view

I haven’t called you any names, it just appears you are angry from your responses, i’m sorry if I’m mistaken.

As for misinterpreting surahs/verses… I have heard that before. Tell me how I misinterpreted those surahs/verses from the Quran and hadiths that I posted. As for the hadiths I only take from the accepted sources. Now you are unreliable since not only are they from one of the 6 accepted translations, but your own Sharia laws are based on the hadiths, plus other texts.

I find what Muhammed did to be despicable. What he did before he founded Islam wasn’t so bad, basically he didn’t do too much except live off of his rich wife. But, what he did afterwards is what I find despicable. And we only focus on his marriage to Aisha to show that he was a pediphile. What we never mention are the slaves - all the children that were slaves to these Muslims, including Muhammed. Little girls and little boys who didn’t have fathers, because Muhammed beheaded them, to ask that they not be taken at the age of 6 or somewhere thereabouts.

If people really think about what happened to all those people, including children, I don’t know how one could follow such a man as Muhammed. The brutality of their lives after they were enslaved, and slavery is still going on in Islam. I posted about that yesterday and showed that American Muslims are importing slaves, and some have been caught and sit in prison. Silas has an article on slavery in Islam and its cruelties and inhumanity towards so many that still goes on to this day.

 

[josie_L]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Mother Aisha (ra ) was the third wife of the Prophet . May be , one reason for marrying Aisha (ra) to give her a chance to learn Islam from the messenger of God Almighty directly .

Among women , she described hadith most . Among both men & women , I think , she is the third . She was considered as one of the most learned person about Islam & after the death of the Prophet , companions learnt many things from her.

She never complaint against her married life. It’s hard to understand why today’s people are so worried about a happy , blessed couple.

**"Girls were considered nubile (of marriageable age) at age twelve, although both Pepin and Charlemagne passed legislation prohibiting the marriage of girls or boy before the age of puberty. Since the age of menarch (puberty for girls) was apparently around age thirteen (similar to the age of menarch in the twentieth century and earlier than in the nineteenth century) . . . " **

The reign of Charlemagne was only a century or so after Mohammed, so my question is, how fast do you think girls in the 7th century pubesced as compared with the 8th century. We know that girls reached the age of menarch at the same age throughout most of history (after the 8th century).

Aisha was 9 years old when she had sex with Mohammed.

 

[empurpledsoul]

empurpledsoul, I appreciate your reply, but self-defense is a basic human right. If someone broke into your home and threatened your wife and children, would you stand by and not do anything because it is not God’s holy will? ofcourse not, your responsible for your family’s safety.

This is the case with Islam, the prophet (s) and the new religion were threatened from all sides, they were few in number and vulnerable. The prophet (s) had a duty to protect the new faith and it’s followers.

If you wanted to be allowed to be driven by your natural human desires fine. But human beings are not given perfect wisdom and much of what Muslims call ‘self defense’ was actually revenge and planned retribution.

I have heard so often of this tired question, what if someone broke into my home, etc, and by the way, that has happened, at knifepoint and LOVE was used to diffuse it, not violence. That your religion has made violence, the power of men, the only power that men ‘trust’ in life, is part of its damage.

Your prophet did nothing to protect anyone, he was driven to prove himself, to convince the world that he was what he said he was and he steamed and brewed with feelings of anger and hatred toward those who had shunned him and driven him away. He plotted and schemed, raided caravans to ‘get back what was his’ and this led to eventual violence. Far too many accounts after Muhammad are not ‘self defense’ but Muslim expansionism and imperialism based on the belief that Islam has a superior right to rule politically, in the ways of men, all over the world.

But it is only men making mens weak desires for retribution and revenge a pretense, calling it ‘holy will’, when it is nothing of the sort. It is merely humans being human and believing God is on their side. This has gone on from the beginning of time.

What Jesus brought was a whole different truth, one that emphasizes not the protecting of material gains, political respect and power, or even the flesh, but the integrity of the soul, the heart, the ability of the human being to rise above the ego and the weakness of their human nature and strive to be expressions of that which is much more divine, the Will of God, expressed in ways that Muhammad obviously was clueless to. He broke the commandments of Jesus, he ignored Jesus teachings that would lead him to set a more holy example and his history and excuses are disgusting to any who have actually been able to stand in the light of a higher presence in God’s truth in Jesus.

It is truly disgusting to the depth of my soul to consider anything that you call ‘self defense’ a representation of the Glory of God. It is human failing hoping to be excused and justified by false claims that “God allowed it”.

 

[a_slave_of_God]

I have seen many posts talking about prophet Mohammad prayer and ,peace be upon him and his family, and considered his marriage with Aisha PBUH to be a crime.

Well, You should not judge the star through what you see under ground.

Mohammad is a star, nay the stars learn from him how to be high and guide the people, so peace be upon Mohammad.

The prophet built the life of Aysha and granted her of his light and sweetness, she was pride and so happy with him.

She became a teacher leading to Paradise after the light Mohammad took her up to him.

If you claim that some muslim women are treated badly because of the example of Mohammad, then why do you consider it wrong when people attack Jesus because Hetler was christian following him in what he said:

But as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!’" (Luke 19: 27)

God ordered Abraham to kill his son, shall we consider those who kill their sons to be given bad example as Abraham?

Are you a disbeliever to think that God gave us a bad example?

Indeed, Glorified and Highly Exalted is Allah, Above what the headless think about Him.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Mohammad is a star, nay the stars learn from him how to be high and guide the people,

A human being teaches celestial bodies? You make Muhammed a god.

Are you a disbeliever to think that God gave us a bad example?

The real question is are you a disbeliever to think the bad example is from God?

 

[jakasaki]

But as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!’" (Luke 19: 27)

Did you get this “gem” from your favorite site.

Christ is NOT talking about about himself, he is telling of a story:

**11 - While they were listening to him speak, he proceeded to tell a parable because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately.

12 - So he said, "A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return. **

 

[a_slave_of_God]

Did you get this “gem” from your favorite site.

Christ is NOT talking about about himself, he is telling of a story:

**11 - While they were listening to him speak, he proceeded to tell a parable **because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately.

12 - So he said, "A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return.

He was giving a parable of himself being the king and his follower being his servants.

He gave them the parable because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately.

 

[jakasaki]

He was giving a parable of himself being the king and his follower being his servants.

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Knee slapping comedy…

What other “gem” lines can you give me? :tsktsk:

 

[Agabriel]

He was giving a parable of himself being the king and his follower being his servants.

He gave them the parable because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately.

No he wasn’t. The whole thing is ‘The Parable of the Gold Coins’. Look up the word ‘parable’. ‘a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle’

I would suggest doing a bit more research, ie: read!, before posting laughable things. And keep a dictionary next to you if you don’t know the meaning of a word. Don’t just gloss over those words you don’t know.

 

[Agabriel]

Knee slapping comedy…

What other “gem” lines can you give me? :tsktsk:

Yeah - I agree. I read his post and chuckled.

His post seemed like it was a ‘takeoff’ from reality! :takeoff:

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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"Girls were considered nubile (of marriageable age) at age twelve, .

Is this from God Almighty ? Where did He say that ?

 

[Sam_777]

Benjamin8o8;5064731:

wow, youre the first person to call Islam "the new religion". 99 % Muslims would disagree with you, but they wouldnt be able to prove you wrong.

About Mohammed telling his solders to burn the eyes of the men that stole the cammels, I want your explanation on that.

Sure, give me the reference to the hadith and I will look it up. I can only look it up in Arabic as all my resources are in Arabic, Perhpas SAM 777 could get the arabic translation for me and i’ll get back to you with a detailed answer.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:
“*Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”) *”

صحيح البخاري:
أن رهطا من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏أو قال ‏ ‏عرينة ‏ ‏ولا أعلمه إلا قال من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏قدموا ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فأمر لهم النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏بلقاح وأمرهم أن يخرجوا فيشربوا من أبوالها وألبانها فشربوا حتى إذا برئوا قتلوا الراعي واستاقوا النعم فبلغ ذلك النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غدوة فبعث الطلب في إثرهم فما ارتفع النهار حتى جيء بهم فأمر بهم ‏ ‏فقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم وسمر أعينهم فألقوا ‏ ‏بالحرة ‏ ‏يستسقون فلا يسقون ‏
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[Benjamin8o8]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:
“*Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”) *”

صحيح البخاري:
أن رهطا من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏أو قال ‏ ‏عرينة ‏ ‏ولا أعلمه إلا قال من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏قدموا ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فأمر لهم النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏بلقاح وأمرهم أن يخرجوا فيشربوا من أبوالها وألبانها فشربوا حتى إذا برئوا قتلوا الراعي واستاقوا النعم فبلغ ذلك النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غدوة فبعث الطلب في إثرهم فما ارتفع النهار حتى جيء بهم فأمر بهم ‏ ‏فقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم وسمر أعينهم فألقوا ‏ ‏بالحرة ‏ ‏يستسقون فلا يسقون ‏
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(E) (A)

Hi Sam

Thank you for finding out the hadith, I personally have no idea where to look for I have done no specific research on the acts of this man named Mohammed. I am also appreciative by the other member who gave me a few sites to look at to find more things about him. I thank him also.

God Bless everyone!

 

[inJESUS]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:
“*Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”) *”

صحيح البخاري:
أن رهطا من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏أو قال ‏ ‏عرينة ‏ ‏ولا أعلمه إلا قال من ‏ ‏عكل ‏ ‏قدموا ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فأمر لهم النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏بلقاح وأمرهم أن يخرجوا فيشربوا من أبوالها وألبانها فشربوا حتى إذا برئوا قتلوا الراعي واستاقوا النعم فبلغ ذلك النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غدوة فبعث الطلب في إثرهم فما ارتفع النهار حتى جيء بهم فأمر بهم ‏ ‏فقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم وسمر أعينهم فألقوا ‏ ‏بالحرة ‏ ‏يستسقون فلا يسقون ‏
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(E) (A)

I can understand punishment, but what Muhammad did was utter inhuman torture .

 

[planten]

I can understand punishment, but what Muhammad did was utter inhuman torture .

**inJesus, would you have done some better justice in that case of murder? If so, please spell it out.

You want to nourish corruption in the society?**

 

[Benjamin8o8]

**inJesus, would you have done some better justice in that case of murder? If so, please spell it out.

You want to nourish corruption in the society?**

wow…you`re the first to directly answer my question: yes, Muslims are okay with Mohammeds actions

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Muslims need to stop following man!

 

[eichenb2]

During the year 628 A.D., eight men from the clan of Uraynah, came to Medina.

They became Muslims. While they were there they got sick. Muhammad prescribed a medicine for them: he told them to drink camel milk and camel urine.

After the men got better, they brutally murdered the shepherd of the camels, stole the camels, and tried to escape. Muhammad sent an armed party of 20 men after them.

They were caught and brought back to Medina.

There, Muhammad pronounced their judgment: their eyes were branded with hot irons, then plucked out, their hands and feet were cut off, and then, while still alive, they were thrown out on the hot desert to die.

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I know I wouldn’t want to be in the company of this man… that’s for sure.

Especially, if you were a lying, murdering, decieving, camel-thief. Gee…I wonder is Moses or any other biblical Prophets did anything of this sort???

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Especially, if you were a lying, murdering, decieving, camel-thief. Gee…I wonder is Moses or any other biblical Prophets did anything of this sort???

they didn`t! Why tourture somebody then throw them out in the deserts to dehydrate?

Is this why you discerned Catholiscm? Because Jesus Christ (who came before Mohammed by the way) tought us about forgiving and loving one another. I can understand criminals being punished but this was pure revenge in the most wicked way. disgusting I tell you.

 

[neploho]

they didn`t! Why tourture somebody then throw them out in the deserts to dehydrate?

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Why kill a child by breaking his little body with stones until dead for cursing his parents? Why send She Bears to slaughter a crowed of youths for mocking a prophets baldness? I would never consider such retaliatory practices good but I don’t see where Christians get off being high and mighty in light of the prophetic injunctions in their Old Testament. Yes you are no longer required to follow them but the fact remains that they cannot be considered genuinely immoral actions by your God or prophets.