Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[jakasaki]

then it’s your personal assumption then that he was pagan because the arabs were pagan ?
when you said that most of muslims dosn’t read thier texts !!! , you just gave me impression that may be you are more knowledgable than muslims themselfs !!!

my question was specified to mention me about his paganism life before islam as you alleged , not about his birth

   In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits his past adherence to [paganism](http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Muhammad%20the%20Pagan.html)

• the then religion of the Quraysh.

What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

 

[Agabriel]

then it’s your personal assumption then that he was pagan because the arabs were pagan ?
when you said that most of muslims dosn’t read thier texts !!! , you just gave me impression that may be you are more knowledgable than muslims themselfs !!!

my question was specified to mention me about his paganism life before islam as you alleged , not about his birth

   In the statement above Muhammad clearly admits his past adherence to [paganism](http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Muhammad%20the%20Pagan.html)

• the then religion of the Quraysh.
  who told whom ?
  can you give me islamic source for that ?

I already did in the Quran, surah 53. If he wasn’t a pagan he wouldn’t have tried to put the three daughters in the Quran.

I am not going to go any further with this since you guys can’t accept the obvious. yes, most are more knowledgable about this than the Muslims because for some reason you guys don’t want to admit the obvious.

let me see - the Kabaa, the black rock, the three daughters, the name of ‘allah’… gee, all things that were of this pagan religion and Islam now has them… oh gee… duh…

You guys think the kabaa was built by Abraham and that is just bunk. No where in the Bible does it say that.

In the Quran
The term hanif is used 12 times in the Quran; eight times in reference to Ibrahim, who is the only person to have been explicitly identified with the term.[4] Ibrahim is mentioned in the Qur’an as a Hanif, being a prophet predating the Judaic and Christian traditions, who turned away from polytheism and pantheism for monotheism.[2]

“ “Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but a ‘Hanif’, but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to God), one who is not among the idol-worshipers.” Qur’an 3:67 ”

Other verses: 2:135, 3:95, 4:125.
Verse 10:105 indicates the Islamic prophet Muhammad as being one of the hanif as well.

 

[Agabriel]

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i made my research on this hadeeth , it considered to be forged hadeeth becuse it was narrated by just one man called “alkalbi” and he mentioned it without any isnad

this is such a usual/old excuse when Muslims don’t like something that they read.

 

[GraceDK]

**Algabriel, do you know what was your Jesus before he started his preachings at the age of 30?? If you do not know then find out about that first and leave Muhammad alone. Because it is not good to attack some one if you are guilty of similar thing.
**

Why are you talking about attacking? What do you mean? My brothers quote Hadith and Koran… are you angry at the things written therein?

You ask about Jesus. I will tell you: Jesus was and is the Jewish Messiah. He was born from a fully Jewish mother Mariam of Nazareth.
Catholicism is fulfilled Judaism. You cannot seperate Christianity from its Jewish roots. In order to fully understand Messiah you have to study the Old Covenant: God’s walk with Israel. And in order to understand the Old Covenant you have to see it in light of the New Covenant which is by the blood of Christ which was foretold from the time of Moses…

Islam has no continuity with Judaism and Christianity, which means its an island and it lacks truth… also as we have proven from Koran that Muhammad misunderstood both Judaism and Christianity in even its essential teachings and he performed no miracles which was always the evidence of true prophets before him…

Jesus said: “John the Baptist fulfilled the time of prophets”.

Everything you measure, Planten, let it be measured on the Love. In Christ we find Love. He is the Lord of Joy.

 

[planten]

jakasaki:
What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

That is what I was asking about Jesus. Some one replied that He was a Jew. Well and good. It means he was nothing but a Jew. Not a god. Because a Jew on the street cannot be god. I hope you understand about Jesus and you will also reply about Jesus,
1 what he was doing for the first thirty years of his life?.
2. Where was Jesus after coming out of Egypt at the age of 12 years?
3. What was his religion during that time of thirty years? Judaism, seems to be right…
4. Why there is a complete black out on Jesus in bibleNT of his 30 years life?
5. You cannot reply to these questions so why are you interested in talking about Muhammad? Please think and go over to Jesus instead of Muhammad. Thanks.

 

[GraceDK]

hi GraceDK , im from arab muslims , from egypt if you interest

Cool

Of course we are interested. It’s good to have you with us.
I just want to say I have seen your post and will attempt to answer it tomorrow. Right now I am not feeling well…

Ahlan Biik and Salaam and shukran… (trying to learn Arabic is no easy task

 

[Booklover]

What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

That is what I was asking about Jesus. Some one replied that He was a Jew. Well and good. It means he was nothing but a Jew. Not a god. Because a Jew on the street cannot be god. I hope you understand about Jesus and you will also reply about Jesus,
1 what he was doing for the first thirty years of his life?.
2. Where was Jesus after coming out of Egypt at the age of 12 years?
3. What was his religion during that time of thirty years? Judaism, seems to be right…
4. Why there is a complete black out on Jesus in bibleNT of his 30 years life?
5. You cannot reply to these questions so why are you interested in talking about Muhammad? Please think and go over to Jesus instead of Muhammad. Thanks.

Why do you keep bringing this up Planten? You keep stating that you love Jesus, but demonize him as often as you can. We’ve explained this before, so why do you continue with the same attacks?

Vickie

 

[elwill]

jakasaki:
What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

According to the Islamic tradition the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself was always a monotheist (even before revelation) and did not partake in the worship of the idols of Arabia but believed in and prayed only to Allah.

he didn’t like the way people would get drunk and fight each other or bury baby girls alive which is what used to happen in arabia before islam so he would often go off on his own to meditate he also used to pray to God

mohammed pbuh did not follow any religions ( not pagan nor christianity nor judaism) , but he was open minded and knew something greater existed. apparently he would spend a lot of time looking into the sky and questioning existence etc…

 

[jakasaki]

hi

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**nonmuslims **might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn’t pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?

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**Tafsir #29 - It’s self explanitory from islamic experts … **

[29] Fight with those from among the people of the Book,
who do not believe in Allah nor in the Last Day;
who do not make unlawful that which Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful, and do not adopt the Right way as their way.
(Fight with them) until they pay Jizyah with their own hands and are humbled.

There are many issues here and **NOT **just Jizyah to humiliate them.

The key is “Right way as their way”.!!!

Jews had their faith.

Christians had their faith.

But that wasn’t good enough for mohamad and allah

 

[Booklover]

What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

According to the Islamic tradition the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself was always a monotheist (even before revelation) and did not partake in the worship of the idols of Arabia but believed in and prayed only to Allah.

he didn’t like the way people would get drunk and fight each other or bury baby girls alive which is what used to happen in arabia before islam so he would often go off on his own to meditate he also used to pray to God

mohammed pbuh did not follow any religions ( not pagan nor christianity nor judaism) , but he was open minded and knew something greater existed. apparently he would spend a lot of time looking into the sky and questioning existence etc…

Are you saying then that Islam did not exist before Muhammad? Many Muslims claim that Islam was the religion from the beginning.

Vickie

 

[jakasaki]

What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

According to the Islamic tradition the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself was always a monotheist (even before revelation) and did not partake in the worship of the idols of Arabia but believed in and prayed only to Allah.

he didn’t like the way people would get drunk and fight each other or bury baby girls alive which is what used to happen in arabia before islam so he would often go off on his own to meditate he also used to pray to God

mohammed pbuh did not follow any religions ( not pagan nor christianity nor judaism) , but he was open minded and knew something greater existed. apparently he would spend a lot of time looking into the sky and questioning existence etc…

Let’s start from the beginning:

Mohamad belonged/came from to the Quraysh tribe - isn’t that correct?

Let’s just confirm this one for starters…

Thanks!

 

[elwill]

Cool

Of course we are interested. It’s good to have you with us.
I just want to say I have seen your post and will attempt to answer it tomorrow. Right now I am not feeling well…

Ahlan Biik and Salaam and shukran… (trying to learn Arabic is no easy task

i have good emotions toward you , thank you for your greeting
take your time in response , i also don’t respond when i feel bad or anger

it’s good to know that you learn arabic

 

[elwill]

this is such a usual/old excuse when Muslims don’t like something that they read.

i told you the reasons which made muslims consider it not authorized , you tell me why i have to trust it ,

in the contrary , do you know why the prophet mohammed (pbuh) used to go to the cave before his prophethood ?

 

[elwill]

Let’s start from the beginning:

Mohamad belonged/came from to the Quraysh tribe - isn’t that correct?

Let’s just confirm this one for starters…

Thanks!

he raised among them . yes

what was the religion of abraham (pbuh) before his prophethood by the way

 

[elwill]

** Very nice post by this Elwill muslim from Egypt. Welcome Elwill. have a good time teaching a little bit of real Islam to these Catholics. Thanks**.

thank you brother for your greeting
God bless you
salam

 

[jakasaki]

he raised among them . yes

Thanks!

And weren’t the Quraysh an influential tribe in Mecca, being thay thew were the custodians of the Kaaba?

The Kaaba during mohamads youth and early age didn’t it contain something like 300+ idols?

In pre-Islamic Arabia, gods or goddesses were viewed as protectors of individual tribes, their spirits being associated with sacred trees, stones, springs and wells. As well as being the site of an annual pilgrimage, the Kaaba shrine in Mecca housed 360 idol statues of tribal patron deities.

Aside from these gods, the Arabs shared a common belief in a supreme deity called Allah (literally “the god”), who was remote from their everyday concerns and thus not the object of cult or ritual.

Three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters: al-Lāt, Manāt and al-‘Uzzá. Monotheistic communities existed in Arabia, including Christians and Jews.

 

[elwill]

Thanks!

And weren’t the Quraysh an influential tribe in Mecca, being thay thew were the custodians of the Kaaba?

The Kaaba during mohamads youth and early age didn’t it contain something like 300+ idols?

yes

 

[dolphinlove]

Algabriel, do you know what was your Jesus before he started his preachings at the age of 30?? If you do not know then find out about that first and leave Muhammad alone. Because it is not good to attack some one if you are guilty of similar thing. I hope you understand these things. You please look after the business of your own god.

This thread is about muhammad, not Jesus.
It is a FACT that muhammad was a pagan before he invented his religion.
You tell us to look after our business about our God, what are you doing here then? why dont you take your own advice and look after matters of your false religion?

I have seen that most of you are defeated and you have no real arguments to face any one. If some one makes a bad translation of the verses of the Quran then i am entitled to present the correct translations. But people are crying due to that.

The only thing that makes me cry about this statement is that i cry with laughter.
You show us how we are defeated… go on… i put that challenge to you.
You and your muslim friends are the ones that fail to answer our questions with sensible answers, you either ignore them or use taqqiya to try and get out of answering it, or you just lie.
Now planten, who are they ones that are getting defeated daily on these forums… i think its the muslims, prove otherwise…

 

[Agabriel]

What religion was mohamad before he started his mission around the age of 40?

That is what I was asking about Jesus. Some one replied that He was a Jew. Well and good. It means he was nothing but a Jew. Not a god. Because a Jew on the street cannot be god. I hope you understand about Jesus and you will also reply about Jesus,
1 what he was doing for the first thirty years of his life?.
2. Where was Jesus after coming out of Egypt at the age of 12 years?
3. What was his religion during that time of thirty years? Judaism, seems to be right…
4. Why there is a complete black out on Jesus in bibleNT of his 30 years life?
5. You cannot reply to these questions so why are you interested in talking about Muhammad? Please think and go over to Jesus instead of Muhammad. Thanks.

but, but - you told us you read the Bible. Are you now saying that you did not? If you had read the Bible - it is all in there.

You want to deflect the thread from Muhammed to Jesus - then start a different thread.

I was skeptical that Muslim woman read the Bible and now I am VERY skeptical that you have read it.

 

[planten]

Let’s start from the beginning:

Mohamad belonged/came from to the Quraysh tribe - isn’t that correct?

Let’s just confirm this one for starters…

Thanks!

**jakasaki, elwill has replied very well. May I ask you a question? Please honestly tell me “Was Abaraham a pagan?”

That is an important question which will solve all your problems. “Was Abraham a pagan?” Let us start from Abraham and confirm that for a starter. Please Reply.**