Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[Muslim_Woman]

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your prophet’s actions were very sinful as well!

sinful according to your holy book ? Ok , pl. show me a verse from Bible that justifies your hatred against a legal marriage . Thanks.

 

[Booklover]

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sinful according to your holy book ? Ok , pl. show me a verse from Bible that justifies your hatred against a legal marriage . Thanks.

Why would a man in his fifties want to marry a child of 6 in the first place? Please answer that! As for its legality, that was Muhammad’s doing, not God’s!

Vickie

 

[rtconstant]

Having a young wife is NOT a sin , not according to holy Quran , not according to any major holy books.

We’re not talking about a young wife. We’re talking about a child, a Holy Book is not needed to state what common sense can dictate. One can look at the psychological damage that is universally caused by pedophilia.

Who has the right to decide what is a sin ? Surely , it’s the God Almighty . If God did not say it’s a sin , His slaves must not condemn a person for having a wife lawfully.

Actually human beings do have a right to condemn something as a sin, God gave us the both intellect and the Holy Spirit to reason this out. We can’t say who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, but we can know when something is wrong. But that is another thread.

The question here is who said Mohammed’s marriage was legal? The answer of course is Mohammed himself. Mohammed had a tendancy to get news that his actions were OK, whenever he desired to do something. Convenient that.

It’s not a must for any man to have a young
wife ; but neither should he hates a legal marriage.

No one is hating marriage we’re hating pedophilia. We’re hating theft. We’re hating murder. I’ve seen Muslim posters condemn the priests who were caught commiting one of the above mentioned sins. If it was a sin for priests to do it, it was a sin for Mohammed to do it. You can’t have it both ways.

lol , funny. By today’s values / morals , school girls who are considered tooooo young for marriages can have unlimited partners , can have babies outside marriage . Many People have no problem in accepting/ tolerating these unethical deeds in the name of freedom etc.

Yes young girls who are to young for marriage can do things that are sinful. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. Yet many of those same girls would understand the wrongness of many of things that Mohammed did. They would understand pedophilia is wrong, they would understand that taking what isn’t their’s is wrong, they would understand that assassinations are wrong. In other words many of those same girls who’s actions you condemn, still mostly likely have a more advanced sense of morality than did Mohammed.

Also as a clarification for you. Having children outside of wedlock isn’t a sin. The fornication that led to the pregnancy is what is sinful. A child’s birth is never sinful.

But as believers , we must give importance what is lawful according to God’s laws , not what is okay by human being. Because , we came from Him & will be back to Him & will be judged by His laws , NOT by men made laws.

I will take the path of protecting innocence, and non-violence and place this against the path of Mohammed any day when standing before my Maker.

Having a young wife can’t dismiss him as the Seal of the Prophet . What’s the relationship between marriage & disqualifying one as seal of the Prophets ? Does your holy book says that Seal of the Prophets can’t have a
young wife ?

The nature of holiness dictates that a perfect life cannot include pedophilia. The law of God cannot include that which damages the innocent. It is sad that one must put aside even the most primitive sense of morality that comes from just being a human, in order to justify the actions of their religions founder.

 

[josie_L]

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sinful according to your holy book ? Ok , pl. show me a verse from Bible that justifies your hatred against a legal marriage . Thanks.

Hi Muslim Woman, would you say Jesus was a holy man, an example to all human beings on how we should live?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Why would a man in his fifties want to marry a child of 6 in the first place? Please answer that! As for its legality, that was Muhammad’s doing, not God’s!

Vickie

How come nobody until this century bothered criticizing that particular behavior? How come not even his enemies, while he was alive, who hated him even more than you do, did not make such a criticism?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hi Muslim Woman, would you say Jesus was a holy man, an example to all human beings on how we should live?

Can I answer? Jesus was indeed a holy man and an excellent example to all human beings, but he was not a complete example.

Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life. He married, for instance. Jesus was never a husband, so we cannot use him as an example in how to raise a family. He was never a ruler, so we can’t take him as an example in how a society should be governed.

 

[inJESUS]

How come nobody until this century bothered criticizing that particular behavior? How come not even his enemies, while he was alive, who hated him even more than you do, did not make such a criticism?

this does not negate the fact that his example is not a universal example, and it is a fact because little girls in Islamic countries are being traumatized because of his example.

 

[inJESUS]

Can I answer? Jesus was indeed a holy man and an excellent example to all human beings, but he was not a complete example.

Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life. He married, for instance. Jesus was never a husband, so we cannot use him as an example in how to raise a family. He was never a ruler, so we can’t take him as an example in how a society should be governed.

So you find no fault againt Jesus so you criticize what He did not do?
think again of what you wrote and remember that it is God who gives the teaching, not man’s experience with women and weapons.

 

[Reuben_J]

Can I answer? Jesus was indeed a holy man and an excellent example to all human beings, but he was not a complete example.

Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life. He married, for instance. Jesus was never a husband, so we cannot use him as an example in how to raise a family. He was never a ruler, so we can’t take him as an example in how a society should be governed.

The he (Mohammad), in some cases, gave bad examples in the light of the teachings of Jesus who he considered a prophet before him.

Teachings and doctrines guide and govern a person’s thought and action in living his life. Jesus had given that and showed us the examplse where it matters – love. Everything else arises from love.

There are examples demonstrated by people who lived according to his teaching. We are not short of them and they were inspiration for the rest to follow.

We should not follow Mohammad’s (or any other men) examples by way of his action and life if he contidicted Jesus’ teaching.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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So you find no fault againt Jesus so you criticize what He did not do?
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Muslims respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed ( peace be upon them all ). We don’t condemn any Prophet.

josie was asking : would you say Jesus was a holy man,** an example to all human beings on how we should live? ** Ans is No . Jesus (pbuh) was unmarried & had no kids . If people in the past followed him , we were not here to debate about Muhammed (pbuh).

Jesus (pbuh) will get married & have kids after his second coming . So , then u may say that we should follow him as it’s the natural that human should get married , have families etc. BTW God sent His final book to Muhammed (pbuh) , Jesus (pbuh) will follow that Sharia law. He won’t announce that having a young wife is a sin.

 

[Reuben_J]

So you find no fault againt Jesus so you criticize what He did not do?
think again of what you wrote and remember that **it is God who gives the teaching, not man’s experience **with women and weapons.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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How come nobody until this century bothered criticizing that particular behavior? How come not even his enemies, while he was alive, who hated him even more than you do/B], did not make such a criticism?

good points except one. The point I underlined , how can u surely say that ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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If it was a sin for priests to do it, it was a sin for Mohammed to do it. You can’t have it both ways.

lol lol lol , raping kids inside the God’s house & getting married with the approval of bride & permission of her parents --these two are
same ??? How funny.

Ok , God will tell us on the final day which is a sin & which is not .

Having children outside of wedlock isn’t a sin.

woww , no wonder we see thousands & thousands love childs .

Again , I can only say , our dispute will be settled down on the final day. God will tell us if it’s ok to have baby after having relationship with multi-partners & to know who is the dad , mom is dragging all her boyfriends for DNA test.

In Islam , if u enjoy the matter lawfully , u will be rewarded . Adultery/ fornication is a major sin according to God’s law --does not matter if it’s a sin to you or not.

 

[Reuben_J]

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Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life.

And this is blatantly untrue as Muslims discover here much to their chagrin.

Time changes, situation changes. Mohammad’s examples could not possibly cover all that and he couldn’t.

 

[josie_L]

Can I answer? Jesus was indeed a holy man and an excellent example to all human beings, but he was not a complete example.

Muhammad’s example covers all facets of life. He married, for instance. Jesus was never a husband, so we cannot use him as an example in how to raise a family. He was never a ruler, so we can’t take him as an example in how a society should be governed.

Firstly, when you say he covers all facets of life, do you mean all facets of sinful life?

Secondly, was Muhammed **by way of example ** holier than Jesus?

Thirdly, do you follow the teachings of Isa, the “prophet”?

Fourthly, how do you follow the teachings of Isa while simultaneously following the teaching of Mohammed?

Isa is a prophet, correct, and as such you should listen to what he has to say?

Do you read the Bible to learn about Jesus?

 

[josie_L]

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Muslims respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed ( peace be upon them all ). We don’t condemn any Prophet.

josie was asking : would you say Jesus was a holy man,** an example to all human beings on how we should live? ** Ans is No . Jesus (pbuh) was unmarried & had no kids . If people in the past followed him , we were not here to debate about Muhammed (pbuh).

Jesus (pbuh) will get married & have kids after his second coming . So , then u may say that we should follow him as it’s the natural that human should get married , have families etc. BTW God sent His final book to Muhammed (pbuh) , Jesus (pbuh) will follow that Sharia law. He won’t announce that having a young wife is a sin.

When I stated my question I meant to convey his holiness, not the state of his nonmarital status. Whether Jesus was married or not, does not signify. He would have been holy single and/or married, therefore his state of holiness was not dependent on his being married or not.

Secondly, his teachings were meant for married and single people alike. It’s not like He had a different code of conduct for married people and another for single ones.

Thirdly, Jesus never asked anyone to be celibate (unless they so chose), so I don’t understand how you misunderstood my question.

P.S. Since I’m single and chaste, does that mean I cannot follow Mohammed, and as such, I can therefore say he is not a complete example to all of humanity. By these very conditions you do measure Jesus.

 

[josie_L]

How come nobody until this century bothered criticizing that particular behavior? How come not even his enemies, while he was alive, who hated him even more than you do, did not make such a criticism?

Maybe because those who did criticize were killed along with anything they may have written? And knowing this people did not criticize anymore out of fear for their lives? This is just a thought but a possibility (since he did have a few poets killed who had criticized him).

 

[famdigy]

Why would a man in his fifties want to marry a child of 6 in the first place? Please answer that! As for its legality, that was Muhammad’s doing, not God’s!

The prophet (s) married Aisha because God commanded it, there are many reasons, it could have been to protect the new religion from her fathers plans, as abu bakr would plan and plot to destroy the new religion, having his daughter marry the prophet would mean that his plans would at the very least be postponed until the new religion takes root, this would also apply to the prophets’ marriage to Umar’s daughter.

Another reason could be to test the wives specifically and the muslims in General. Aisha played a big role in the first civil war in Islam and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.

The great companion of Imam Ali (as), Ammar bin yasir recognized this when Aisha went out to Basra to fight imam Ali (as), he said “But Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him or her (Aisha)”

Ammar recognized that Aisha would not have had the ability to influence people and mobilize an entire army had she not been the wife of the prophet. Therefore, Aisha was a source of trial and test for the Muslim nation. The prophet (s) married her fully aware she would go against his religion, command, and lead an army against his successor. Through the resulting strife between the two parties Allah (swt) would try and test this nation to see who will follow the prophet (s) and be among the believers and who will follow Aisha and be among the unbelievers.

This is what Ammar yasir (RA) was alluding to when he said “Allah has put you to test whether you obey Him or her (Aisha)” That is to say obeying Aisha is not obeying God.

We know that Aisha would not be able to mobilize people against the rightful khalif of the Muslims had she not been the wife of the prophet pbuh. She exploited her status to affect and mislead the Muslims, Allah (swt) granted her the ability to reach this place as wife of the prophet just as He granted it to the wives of Noah and Lot (as). It is for the same reason He granted Satan the ability to live until the day of judgment and gave him the many abilities that Satan uses to effect mankind and mislead them.

This is part of the divine trials and tests, and without it there would be no way to differentiate the truthful from the liar and the believer from the unbeliever.

I also believe that you have to judge according to the social norms of the time, we may not agree with it now but marriage at a young age was a common practice back then.

Even the prophet’s own daughter, Lady Fatima (as) was married to Imam Ali (as) at a young age, by the time she passed away she was 18 years old and had 2 toddler boys and 1 girl and was pregnant with her 3rd son. Marriage at a young age was a fact of life back then. However I don’t believe that Aisha was 6 years old when she was married to the prophet, I believe this was a fabrication by her. Maybe because there were rumors that she wasn’t a virgin when she was married to the prophet so in order to dispel this idea, she lied about her age at marriage.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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… abu bakr would plan and plot to destroy the new religion

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I have not read this accusation even from any non-Muslim . You are saying a blessed companion of the Prophet (pbuh) was trying to destroy Islam ? Don’t u know after the miraculous night journey of the Prophet (pbuh) , Abr bakr ( may Allah be pleased with him ) was asked if he believed the event. His answer was if Prophet says so , I believe. And you are bringing such a nasty allegation against him ? I am shocked . Are you really a Muslim ???

The prophet (s) married her fully aware she would go against his religion, .

another nasty allegation. She was a human being , it’s possible for her to make mistake but she did not revolt against God Almighty . Pl. if you really a Muslim , stop spreading this kind of lies & dirty allegations against Mother of the believers.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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A Woman For All Seasons: Aisha bint Abu Bakr

Denise Halel

In the land of Arabia, a child was born, and this child grew into a remarkable and great Muslim—and her name was Aisha.

Through the centuries, there have been numerous accusations and theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (pbuh). Currently, one of the accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha. The prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages, although it was a norm in Biblical and Qur’anic times.

Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with the union between Muhammad (pbuh) and Aisha. The point is: Muhammad and Aisha lived in a society and culture that existed 1400 years ago, and we must not judge what he or others did based on the standards we have set today.

It is interesting to note that Aisha was already engaged to a man named Jubair Ibn al Mut’am inb ‘Adi before she become engaged to Muhammad (pbuh). Back then, society did not object to Aisha’s engagement to Jubair. Jubair’s parents broke the engagement because they feared that their son might convert to Islam.

In order to better understand the marriage between Aisha and prophet Muhammad (pbuh), in the light of Islam and life in the “modern” world, we will look at the life, character, and appeal of Aisha.

Aisha is proof positive that women can be more learned than men and can be the teacher of scholars; she can exert influence over men and women and, at the same time, be a loving source of joy and pleasure to her husband.

… Aisha was the most knowledgeable and pious Muslim woman of her time and continues to be a role model and source of inspiration for Muslims and non-Muslims around the world.

full article here :

crescentlife.com/thisthat/feminist%20muslims/aisha_bint_abu_bakr.htm