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Hadi
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INJESUS,where does it say in the Quran that Mohammed is the best of creation ?
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inJESUS
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this is what this Sunni site has to say that not only he is the best of creatures, but he is even better than angels…
livingislam.org/n/bc_e.html
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Hadi
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you said:
what kind of a ***deity ***is that who says someone like Muhammad is the best of creatures.
who said it …a sunni site or a deity ??
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josie_L
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Was Mohammed a good and holy man, and would you consider him the standard to follow morally-speaking?
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inJESUS
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the answer is yes and here lies the tragedy…they think that what he did is what humanity must do, because he gave them their hearts’ desires by convincing them that what they need is what they must get…polygamy, divorce, temporary marriages, sex with slaves , sex with married slaves, unlimited number of sexual slaves, sex in heaven, lying and cursing is ok if needed, beat women is ok if needed, killing people to get booty and women is ok if needed… why should they see anything wrong in all this if they have a different understanding of the notion of holiness ?
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qui_est_ce
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Elwill already answered “YES!”
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Hadi
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why did you lie in saying that God says Mohammed is the best of creation
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Hadi
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Mohammed is dead…the Quran is alive
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josie_L
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That’s what I figured.
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josie_L
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You didn’t answer the question.
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Hadi
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InJESUS didn’t answer my question…I want him to answer my question first.
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qui_est_ce
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“And most certainly, thou (O Muhammad) are of most sublime and exalted character.”
(The Holy Qur’ân, 68:4)
Isn’t the Koran the holy word of Allah spoken to Mohammed?
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Jay53
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I don’t know that it uses the exact words “best of creation”, but it extols his “virtues” and there are numerous examples of Muslims interpreting Allah’s words to mean “best of creation”. I can’t speak for inJesus, but I think that’s what he/she meant.
It would appear that Muslims interpret Allah’s words as meaning the best of creation or greatest man ever.
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Hadi
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I’m aware of the verse,it says literally “and you have a great character” …but it doesn’t say “you are the best of creation” as InJesus falsely claims…
and indeed, Mohammed had great character before and after the revelation…
but first he is dead and second he lived in 7th century AD and not 2009
third, if he were to be born in this time,he would be much different than he was…
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Hadi
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my point is, the title “best of creation” came from Muslims and not from God…I don’t know that it uses the exact words “best of creation”, but it extols his “virtues” and there are numerous examples of Muslims interpreting Allah’s words to mean “best of creation”. I can’t speak for inJesus, but I think that’s what he/she meant.
It would appear that Muslims interpret Allah’s words as meaning the best of creation or greatest man ever.
YES,Muslims have fallen into Tqdees Alwliya (devotion to saints) that is clearly prohibited in the Quran…
Shias are worse,not only devotion to Mohammed,but his whole family are considered sinless…
some have made poems to Mohammed that alludes to Shirk in nature…that is wrong… and I don’t celebrate his birthday…
Allah says “Mohammed is nothing but a messenger”
and what concernmerd me the most , is his delivery (The Quran)
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GraceDK
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Really? He would be different? How? Why?
Jesus would not be different. He might be killed in another way if He came today… but He would not be different… being born in a time of harhsness and rigid religious law, He did not conform to His day, but was the biggest revolutionary of Love ever to have lived.
The fact is, that if a free thinking individual critizises Muhammad, then a storm of anger, protest and sometimes even violence, flares up all over the Muslim world. They say: “They have offended our prophet”. If another prophet is critizised there is silence. Muhammad is the one and only, in the place that he holds for Muslims.
There was a Muhammad cartoon where Muhammad had a bomb in his turban. This is a precise image of who he was… however, people got into a frenzy… over a drawing. It must have struck a nerve somewhere.
You see Hadi, I think YOU DO have a problem inside you, because you have to admit to your self that Muhammad is not worthy to be imitated. You know that… as a human person with dignity and freedom, You know it as a woman, a mother, sister etc…
You don’t know how to get out of Islam… if Islam is not right, then what is?
I dare you to ask God, who ARE YOU, WHO IS JESUS… are they right about Him?
There is a Muslim - I dont suppose you will hear his testimony if I sent you the link - who asked this question and prayed and fasted for many days. Until he gave up… then Jesus, the King of the Universe, stood infront of him in flesh and blood.
Again… we see sins in the Judeo Christian world… many sins, many injustices… but the difference between you and me is that I dont have to avoid the topic… I can face it right on and say: These people go against the law of Christ. I too have done stupid things in life… Jesus allows me to come and admit it and get freedom and balm for my wounds.
You have to eternally wriggle like a worm to avoid the question: Do you admire and hold Muhammad as sinless?? You and others here have said that he is sinless. That must, by all logic, prove that you think sex with a 9 year old is okay…
shabbat shalom
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GraceDK
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Hadi:
In the 7th century,Ishmael became a great nation.
Have you ever read what the Old Testament said about Ishmael?`
The Lords angel said to Hagaj:
“Se you are with child and you will give birth to a son and give him the name Ismael, for the Lord has heard your suffering. He will become a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be turned against everyone, and everyones hand against him, he will live in defiance of all his brothers”.
And God said to Abraham:
“It is after Isack that your descendens will have their name”.
In the New Testament its taken up again… the son of the slave woman against the son of the free woman.
I see the Muslim world fulfilling the prophesy of God about Ishmael, of course. They continue to be slaves… on the run in deserts, while the ligitimate sons and daughters of Abraham stay in the House of God and call him Father. But it does not have to be this way… Many of the descendants of Ishmale have come to believe in Jesus and have also become sons and daughters… and it wont be long before the rest will join them.
In the 7th century,Ishmael became a great nation.
Have you ever read what the Old Testament said about Ishmael?`
The Lords angel said to Hagaj:
“Se you are with child and you will give birth to a son and give him the name Ismael, for the Lord has heard your suffering. He will become a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be turned against everyone, and everyones hand against him, he will live in defiance of all his brothers”.
And God said to Abraham:
“It is after Isack that your descendens will have their name”.
In the New Testament its taken up again… the son of the slave woman against the son of the free woman.
I see the Muslim world fulfilling the prophesy of God about Ishmael, of course. They continue to be slaves… on the run in deserts, while the ligitimate sons and daughters of Abraham stay in the House of God and call him Father. But it does not have to be this way… Many of the descendants of Ishmale have come to believe in Jesus and have also become sons and daughters… and it wont be long before the rest will join them.
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inJESUS
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best of creation is his prophetic title…i gave you a link to read. When you read it, attack Ahlul Jamaa wal Sunna, not me, for not only they say he is the best of creatures based on Quran and Hadith, but that he is even above angels…you as a Muslim might accept this for whatever reason, we on the other hand find it an insult to God, human intelligence and the notion of holiness. So again, before accusing me of lying, go read and check because we aren’t supposed to be teaching you your own religion.
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Sam_777
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Sam_777
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Muhammed is indeed “the best of creation” according to the Islamic dogma, although its not literally mentioned in Quran but that concept is developed in the Islamic dogma under the name “Ijma”, however, the following hadith shows that Muhammed is the best of creation (since he is the only one who can intercession with Allah):Jay53;5234958:
my point is, the title “best of creation” came from Muslims and not from God…I don’t know that it uses the exact words “best of creation”, but it extols his “virtues” and there are numerous examples of Muslims interpreting Allah’s words to mean “best of creation”. I can’t speak for inJesus, but I think that’s what he/she meant.
It would appear that Muslims interpret Allah’s words as meaning the best of creation or greatest man ever.
YES,Muslims have fallen into Tqdees Alwliya (devotion to saints) that is clearly prohibited in the Quran…
Shias are worse,not only devotion to Mohammed,but his whole family are considered sinless…
some have made poems to Mohammed that alludes to Shirk in nature…that is wrong… and I don’t celebrate his birthday…
Allah says “Mohammed is nothing but a messenger”
and what concernmerd me the most , is his delivery (The Quran)
**Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 0373: **
“…Allah would gather people on the Day of Resurrection and they would be concerned about it, and Ibn Ubaid said. They would get a Divine inspiration about it, and would say: If we could seek intercession with our Lord, we may be relieved from this predicament of ours. He (the Holy Prophet) said: They would come to Adam andsay, Thou art Adam, the father of mankind. Allah created thee with His own hand and breathed unto thee of His Spirit and commanded the angels and they prostrated before thee. So intercede for us with thy Lords, that He may relieve us from this position of ours. He would say: I am not in a position to do this, and would recall his error, and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that; go to Noah the first messenger (after me) sent by Allah. He (the Holy Prophet) said: So they would come to Noah (peace be upon him). He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and recall his fault which he had committed, and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that, (and would say): You better go to Ibrahim (peace be upon him) whom Allah took for a friend. They would come to Ibrahim (peace be upon him) and he would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and would recall his fault that he had committed and would, therefore, fight shy of his Lord on that account (and would say): You better go to Moses (peace be upon him) with whom Allah conversed and con- ferred Torah upon him. He (the Holy Prophet) said: So they would come to Moses (peace be upon him) He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you, and would recall his fault that he had committed and would fight shy of his Lord on account of that (and would say): You better go to Jesus, the Spirit of Allah and His word He would say: I am not in a position to do that for you; you better go to Muhammad (may peace be upon him), a servant whose former and later sins have been forgiven. He (the narrator) said: The Messenger or Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: So they would come to me and I would ask the permission of my Lord and it would be granted to me,….”
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قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يجمع الله الناس يوم القيامة فيهتمون لذلك و قال ابن عبيد فيلهمون لذلك فيقولون لو استشفعنا على ربنا حتى يريحنا من مكاننا هذا قال فيأتون آدم صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقولون أنت آدم أبو الخلق خلقك الله بيده ونفخ فيك من روحه وأمر الملائكة فسجدوا لك اشفع لنا عند ربك حتى يريحنا من مكاننا هذا فيقول لست هناكم فيذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا نوحا أول رسول بعثه الله قال فيأتون نوحا صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم فيذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا إبراهيم صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي اتخذه الله خليلا فيأتون إبراهيم صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم ويذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا موسى صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي كلمه الله وأعطاه التوراة قال فيأتون موسى صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم ويذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا عيسى روح الله وكلمته فيأتون عيسى روح الله وكلمته فيقول لست هناكم ولكن ائتوا محمدا صلى الله عليه وسلم عبدا قد غفر له ما تقدم من ذنبه وما تأخر قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فيأتوني فأستأذن على ربي فيؤذن لي فإذا أنا رأيته وقعت ساجدا فيدعني ما شاء الله فيقال يا محمد ارفع رأسك قل تسمع سل تعطه اشفع تشفع فأرفع رأسي فأحمد ربي بتحميد يعلمنيه ربي ثم أشفع فيحد لي حدا فأخرجهم من النار وأدخلهم الجنة ثم أعود فأقع ساجدا فيدعني ما شاء الله أن يدعني ثم يقال ارفع رأسك يا محمد قل تسمع سل تعطه اشفع تشفع فأرفع رأسي فأحمد ربي بتحميد يعلمنيه ثم أشفع فيحد لي حدا فأخرجهم من النار وأدخلهم الجنة قال فلا أدري في الثالثة أو في الرابعة قال فأقول يا رب ما بقي في النار إلا من حبسه القرآن أي وجب عليه الخلود
قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يجمع الله الناس يوم القيامة فيهتمون لذلك و قال ابن عبيد فيلهمون لذلك فيقولون لو استشفعنا على ربنا حتى يريحنا من مكاننا هذا قال فيأتون آدم صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقولون أنت آدم أبو الخلق خلقك الله بيده ونفخ فيك من روحه وأمر الملائكة فسجدوا لك اشفع لنا عند ربك حتى يريحنا من مكاننا هذا فيقول لست هناكم فيذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا نوحا أول رسول بعثه الله قال فيأتون نوحا صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم فيذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا إبراهيم صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي اتخذه الله خليلا فيأتون إبراهيم صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم ويذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا موسى صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي كلمه الله وأعطاه التوراة قال فيأتون موسى صلى الله عليه وسلم فيقول لست هناكم ويذكر خطيئته التي أصاب فيستحيي ربه منها ولكن ائتوا عيسى روح الله وكلمته فيأتون عيسى روح الله وكلمته فيقول لست هناكم ولكن ائتوا محمدا صلى الله عليه وسلم عبدا قد غفر له ما تقدم من ذنبه وما تأخر قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فيأتوني فأستأذن على ربي فيؤذن لي فإذا أنا رأيته وقعت ساجدا فيدعني ما شاء الله فيقال يا محمد ارفع رأسك قل تسمع سل تعطه اشفع تشفع فأرفع رأسي فأحمد ربي بتحميد يعلمنيه ربي ثم أشفع فيحد لي حدا فأخرجهم من النار وأدخلهم الجنة ثم أعود فأقع ساجدا فيدعني ما شاء الله أن يدعني ثم يقال ارفع رأسك يا محمد قل تسمع سل تعطه اشفع تشفع فأرفع رأسي فأحمد ربي بتحميد يعلمنيه ثم أشفع فيحد لي حدا فأخرجهم من النار وأدخلهم الجنة قال فلا أدري في الثالثة أو في الرابعة قال فأقول يا رب ما بقي في النار إلا من حبسه القرآن أي وجب عليه الخلود
(E) (A).
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