Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[neploho]

False! Absolutely false! The New Testament does not teach that Christians should kills those who refuse to convert to Christianity. Has it happened? Yes! But that was from the evils in men’s hearts, not the teachings of the New Testament. That is one of the biggest differences between Islam and Christianity. The Koran clearly and without doubt teaches that muslims are to kill all who refuse to convert to Islam. Of course, people of the book (ie Jews and Christains) don’t have to convert as long as they live only a step above slavery to the muslims.

You all know that simply because it’s Islam that does not mean you can spew out any generic medeval stereotype and hope to retain any sort of intellectual integrity right? I mean when you say “x” is taught “clearly and without doubt” in religion “y” while large numbers of well respected scholars in the religion disagree it should give you pause.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Do you really believe it was okay for Mohammed to have a relationship with a 6 year old girl while he was 51?!

At the time of Muhammed Girls had nothing to do except getting married. Seldom of them that did anything different. There is no schools, clubs, careers nor work. …They had a normal marriage. To Judge 1400 years ago in a poor primitive society by today’s standard is simply wrong. … if he is a Prophet of God. Today is a totally different story.

What of Muhammads first wife who had a business and was wealthy? Islam wants to revert to 7th century morals- why deny this?

And, do you believe it was okay for him to have sexual intercourse when she was 9 while he was 53?!

God himself made Mary pregnant when she was 12 .If he thought this was immoral he wouldnt have done it. I am amazed at your question. Muhammed didn’t sin nor according to his culture and nor according to any revelation from God. He proposed and married a lady capable of bearing children and treated her nicely. Nobody is saying that now we should marry our 9 year olds. The time is different.

A 6 year old child is not a lady, nor is a 9 year old. I thought Islam if valid for all time. What else in the Quran is out dated?

A lot of you are complaining about the mystery of The Holy Trinity but I know that none of you would be okay if your 6 year old niece, cousin, sister, was going to to undergo a relationship with an over aged man.

what does the trinity have to do with marrying our relatives to an overaged man? And why would we NOW marry our relatives to an over aged man? There is no Quranic order to do so . As we progress , science and society recommend that a lady should be older when she gets married.

Again, what else in the Quran is out dated?

Some of you actually think it was common for older men to marry younger wives. But let me stress that there is a huge difference between a 14 year old marring a 30 old then a 53 sleeping with someone who is still entertained with playing barbie dolls. … Do you really believe its okay for a 53 year old to take a 9 year old as a wife?

We can stretch back and forth the numbers. But as i said . God himself ( not a husband) impregnated Mary when she was 11 and she gave birth to Jesus when she was 12 . No questions asked and no protests made. Does it suddenly these 2 years make Muhammed a vilian and God moral? Do you think a 12 year is fine and dandy and ready for marriage compared to 9 year old. Both of them are very young and both of them are still maturing. Some 12 year old have smalleer body’s than a 9 year old. Some 50 year old look younger in soul and physice than a 30 year old.

The age of Mary is not as certain as Aisha’s age, and I would dispute 11 or 12 years old for two reasons: 1.) After Mary’s visitation with Gabriel she immediately traveled to see her cousin Elizabeth. This is about a 30-hour walk and such a young girl would not travel alone as the Gospels suggest she may have done. 2.) It is possible Mary actually had taken a vow of celibacy before being betrothed to Joseph.

What about the killing that Mohammed participated in. Did he not kill unjustly. Did he not hate the Jews?

Killing unjustly is wrong. Killing Justly is right. Muhammed fought Just wars and killed who tried to eleminate the faith of God. Many prophets did just that . Moses and Aaron begged the Israelies to fight to enter the Holy land , when they refused , they were punished . what is the problem of fighting a war that God has ordered you to do ? Muhammed didn’t hate jews. He hated disbelief because God hated disbelief. … God had to lift a mountain on top of the jews to threaten them to obey or else he will kill them. Is God antisemetic!!!

You have a deep misunderstanding of the Bible.

But hearing from other non-Muslims its pretty clear that Mohammed isnt somebody that you want to bearound if youre not on his side.

That is very true. No body wants to be on the side opposing to Gods prophet.

Mohammed was not God’s prophet.

I also see lack of Muslims defending his actions. They just point to the OT and think you can compare the wars that happened during THAT time to Mohammeds unlawful actions.

Muslims don’t feel the need to defend Muhammeds actions because Profits don’t act from their own self. … We show you from your own Holy book that Gods orders in your own Holy book are no different really that What God ordered Muhammed. If not more harsh. It is like some one wearing a red shirt bieng pissed of that somebody else is wearing a red shirt and whenever they point out to him that he is wearing the same shirt he tells them to mind their own business!!! I dont remember the exact verse but some where in the New testament Jesus say that people look at the spec in other peoples eyes and don’t see the Log in their own eye.

You have a deep misunderstanding of the Bible.
Mohammed was not God’s prophet.

There is a muslim woman on this forum who spends a lot of time studying Islam, but when she was challenged to debate on Mohammeds behaviour, she litterly backed out and said “it will be a waste of time”.

I don’t blame her . It is generally here on this forum 90% a waste of time. I only answered to you because you are more polite than others and seem genuinly interested in other peoples opinion. All these questions were answered before.

You have a deep misunderstanding of the Bible.
Mohammed was not God’s prophet.

So come on Muslims, let uss be honest here: Was Mohammed really a peacfull person? If you love Islam because it expresses peace, then youre my brother and sister. But how come Mohammed didnt do the things what you guys claim Islam is, a peacful religion?

Muhammed was a good person. A prophet of God. He was peaceful when peace was what God wished. he was firm when firmness was what God wished. true prophets don’t play public relation to write nice things about them in history. They do Gods bidding. Muslims love Islam because all in all we find in it truth, answers , logic, practicality and serenity and responsibility, with no ambiguity.

You have a deep misunderstanding of the Bible.
Mohammed was not God’s prophet.

 

[neploho]

Islam wants to revert to 7th century morals- why deny this?

Am I the only one who found this ironic? I suppose what we should really aim for is a return to the first century morals of Jewish dissidents in an obscure region of the Roman empire.

 

[Iwesshome]

Do you really believe it was okay for Mohammed to have a relationship with a 6 year old girl while he was 51?! And, do you believe it was okay for him to have sexual intercourse when she was 9 while he was 53?!

I think topic is becoming that of beating a dead horse on these forums. Although the actions themselves would not be tolerated today we can’t speak for how people lived +1300 years ago. Even from researching this topic and speaking to Muslims concerning it I still can’t see the necessity of the action but it isn’t for me to judge. There is evidence that women were married off just as young (maybe not 6 but close enough) in European and other Middle Eastern countries around the same time. All we can hope is that this would not be allowed to happen, no matter the country or the religion in today’s society.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… this shows God is fallible,

God approved killing of any innocent person in His book ? At least , not in His final book. God warned in holy Quran that it’s a major sin & punishment is hellfire.

related info:

The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, (…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.) (Al-An`am 6: 151) and Allah says in the Qur’an, (Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)) (Al-Israa’ 17: 33).

According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See Al-Ma’idah 5: 32)

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I am surprised that some participants are showing sympathy to those killers who murdered an innocent person who gave them shelter . Instead of being grateful to him , they robbed him , tortured him , killed him . Their ultimate punishment is hellfire.

What they received in this world is nothing comparing to what is waiting for them in hereafter.

It looks like , some Christians think , Jesus (pbuh) saved a sinner from stoning , so there is no punishment for sinners according to Bible. PL. read this .

What The Bible Says

Capital Punishment

…Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” …There is a question of the authorship and date of the story.

“This passage is not found in any of the important early Greek textual witnesses of Eastern provenance (e.g., in neither Bodmer papyrus); nor is it found in OS [Old Syriac] or the Coptic. . . . It is only from ca. 900 that it begins to appear in the standard Greek text.” Clearly, “it was a later insertion” (Brown, p. 335).

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[Iwesshome]

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Your link doesn’t seem to be working.

If you compare the Bible to the Qur’an then yes I will agree that both religious text share similar ideas when dealing with “eye for an eye” situations but try to look at what I was stating hypothetically then by focusing more on religious text. Remove the Bible and the Qur’an from the picture and debate this from a personal prospective in which you have Jesus representing Christianity and Mohammad representing Islam. They both represent the same God. I will admit that there has been times in my life where I felt a criminal should experience the same punishment in which it provided to their victim. But is that really a necessary punishment in today’s society. Some could state the statistics favor harsh punishment for crimes in reducing violence but if we all serve God being Christians or Muslims do we honestly think God would want us to impose such punishments from stoning or even the what Muhammad imposed upon those criminals? Wouldn’t God want us as humans to impose love and mercy upon them as he imposes upon us?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…Wouldn’t God want us as humans to impose love and mercy upon them as he imposes upon us?

Prophet (pbuh) personally forgave the killers of his daughter & uncle. In Islam , family members can forgive the killer if he asked for forgiveness , pay compensation etc. But it does not mean that all killers will go unpunished.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Am I the only one who found this ironic? I suppose what we should really aim for is a return to the first century morals of Jewish dissidents in an obscure region of the Roman empire.

What moral Catholic teachings do you find objectionable? Do you object to the 1st century liturgical acts and Doctrine, or disregard any/all religions due to a unique understanding of the universe as it relates to humanity?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Your link doesn’t seem to be working.

PL. try again

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[Iwesshome]

Prophet (pbuh) personally forgave the killers of his daughter & uncle. In Islam , family members can forgive the killer if he asked for forgiveness , pay compensation etc. But it does not mean that all killers will go unpunished.

Correct.

 

[Iwesshome]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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PL. try again

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Works now

 

[Iwesshome]

Ok, since we are getting some feedback concerning the “The Case of the People of `Uraynah” and if we were to hypothetically reverse the roles of Jesus and Mohammad I am curious what would Jesus have done?

Scenario (Names and places changed around from the story of Muhammad)

Eight men from the clan of Uraynah, came to Jerusalem. While they were there they got sick. Jesus touched them and upon blessing them they became better.

After the men got better, they brutally murdered a shepherd, stole from him, and tried to escape. The local magistrate sent an armed party of 20 men after them.

They were caught and brought back to Jerusalem.

If Jesus was given the opportunity to pass judgment upon these eight men what would have Jesus done? Anyone care to give that a shot?

 

[emarc]

Hmm… This is kind of concerning for me. The problem I have with Hadith’s is that it is a record of the words and deeds of the Prophet, his family, and his companions. Therefore #1 It is written by man, #2 Man is fallible, and #3 What one might read could be false. Now to be fair I could say the same of the Bible but I don’t want to defocus from my thought. I also read that no Hadith can contradict that of the Qur’an for it can be labeled as a false Hadith. So to be fair what can one believe when it comes to fact or fiction?

Now upon reading this particular Hadith and seeing feedback from several Islamic forums it appears the majority claim it is a true Hadith but labeled as misinterpreted. The last post I came across brought me to the following link below for further reading. If I am interpreting everything correctly it appears we have a case that even one will find in the Bible as an “eye for an eye” mentality in which the punishment suited the crime.

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But the rationalist in me doesn’t agree with this mindset so I am going to do a little hypothetical scenario to see if it makes sense. Again this is hypothetical and not here to offend anyone depending your viewpoint.

Let’s suppose the following is statements are True

1. Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God.
2. Jesus wasn’t divine but that of a prophet.
3. God is infallible.
4. Jesus and Muhammad were God’s only prophets.

Let’s start with Jesus and just go along with the story of Christs life as spoken about in the Bible. Jesus is portrayed as a peaceful, loving man, who loved his fellow man. He performed miracles and preached peace. In fact the majority of the world won’t even debate that but I am sure you could find a few sites out there to contradict this. Even doing a quick search I can’t even find anything negative about Christ according to Islam. So let’s just say Christ was a saint.

Now we move towards Muhammad. I am not a scholar of Muhammad and from what I can find performing a quick search he was a merchant and shepherd and did not receive his first revelation till age 40. So let’s just say till age 40 he was considered an average man who lived an honest life. Then one day he receives his first revelation and so on for the next 23 years. Now this isn’t a debate between the Bible and the Qur’an but we have to come back to the “eye for an eye” mentality.

If God is infallible then why in one hand his first prophet promotes peace at all costs and on his other hand his second prophet promotes balance. For me if God is loving (Christian) and merciful (Islam) then why would Muhammad deem #1 violence towards man and #2 lay upon such cruelty to the accused even if the punishment suited the crime. Doesn’t it seem a little off that any prophet of God would use violence at all especially if Jesus came first?

Conclusion
Even though I have publicly showed support for Islam and would still no matter the religion I finally decided to follow, I must also be reasonable and look at all evidence. I for one unless proved otherwise can’t believe a prophet of God would be allowed to conduct themselves in such a fashion towards his fellow man. Because this seems to be true unless I am corrected otherwise I have to agree that this shows God is fallible, therefore Muhammad has fallibility and if fallibility exists does Islam represent the word of God?

Now I call upon any Christian or Muslim to rip this apart and correct me if my mindset or information is false. I am just stating my opinion to how I am gathering and interpreting the information I find.

your post reminds me of a theological dvd i’ve seen a long time ago (couldn’t remember its title). the issue was why Jesus is Divine and a summary answer to it is the history of thousands of martyrs who died for Jesus whose preaching is about love of God and love of neighbors. what drove many to follow his ministry to proclaim the good news to all corners of the earth even to the point of their death could not be explained except that truly Jesus is Divine. and his only sword was his Eternal Word. Praise be to Jesus.
God bless.

 

[Iwesshome]

your post reminds me of a theological dvd i’ve seen a long time ago (couldn’t remember its title). the issue was why Jesus is Divine and a summary answer to it is the history of thousands of martyrs who died for Jesus whose preaching is about love of God and love of neighbors. what drove many to follow his ministry to proclaim the good news to all corners of the earth even to the point of their death could not be explained except that truly Jesus is Divine. and his only sword was his Eternal Word. Praise be to Jesus.
God bless.

Well the problem I run into is that I don’t believe in Christ’s divinity (it’s the rationalist in me) nor am I trying to prove or disprove Jesus as a divine being. I certainly am not trying to disprove Muhammad as a prophet but I am simply trying to understand the facts to how I see and interpret them. For me it would be much more realistic to think Jesus was a prophet led by God than that he was a God and divine. There are major differences to how Jesus and Muhammad are portrayed but is that because of God or because the power of man wanting to believe in something that may or may not be correct?

 

[Seeker]

I was curious to find out if Muslims are actually comfortable with how Muhammed behaved himself. I know that there are quite a lot of Muslims that devout themselves to God. Which I highly respect, really…I do. I don`t believe every Muslim is a terrorist, but I am eager to see if these God-fearing Muslims actually justify Mohammeds actions. So let me ask you the questions.

Do you really believe it was okay for Mohammed to have a relationship with a 6 year old girl while he was 51?! And, do you believe it was okay for him to have sexual intercourse when she was 9 while he was 53?! A lot of you are complaining about the mystery of The Holy Trinity but I know that none of you would be okay if your 6 year old niece, cousin, sister, was going to to undergo a relationship with an over aged man. Some of you ** actually ** think it was common for older men to marry younger wives. But let me stress that there is a huge difference between a 14 year old marring a 30 old then a 53 sleeping with someone who is still entertained with playing barbie dolls. Just like how there is a difference nowadays if a 16 year old goes out with a 10 year old and a 26 year goes out with a 20 year old. So, can you please answer me honestly. Do you really believe its okay for a 53 year old to take a 9 year old as a wife?

What about the killing that Mohammed participated in. Did he not kill unjustly. Did he not hate the Jews? I mean, I will be honest, I have no evidence of such crimes but its because I have done no research. But hearing from other non-Muslims its pretty clear that Mohammed isnt somebody that you want to bearound if youre not on his side. I also see lack of Muslims defending his actions. They just point to the OT and think you can compare the wars that happened during THAT time to Mohammeds unlawful actions. There is a muslim woman on this forum who spends a lot of time studying Islam, but when she was challenged to debate on Mohammeds behaviour, she litterly backed out and said “it will be a waste of time”. So come on Muslims, let uss be honest here: Was Mohammed really a peacfull person? If you love Islam because it expresses peace, then youre my brother and sister. But how come Mohammed didnt do the things what you guys claim Islam is, a peacful religion?

This question was on my mind too. I have seen muslims justifiying the marriage based on it being culturally excepted in Muhammad’s time (and the time of the Biblical prophets) for younger women to be married to older men. However, Muhammad is supposedly a “universal” prophet, a prophet for all mankind, that would also mean his actions are universal. So is it acceptable for a muslim man of 53 yrs of age to marry a girl of 9 yrs (even w/ the permission of her parents).

Some Muslims point to the fact that Mary was around 12 yrs old when she was impregnated by God’s spirit, but there is no justification for attributing this age, besides interpreting “young virgin” as being 12 yrs old, it could mean 14, 15, 16 yrs of age too. However the Hadith’s clearly state the age to be 6yrs and 9 yrs. Mordern Day muslim scholars are now trying to dispute this by saying Aisha was much older.

The question whether Muhammad was a peaceful person, well it depends how you define “peaceful”. If you look at peacful in terms of Jesus’s behaviour and actions, then no Muhammad is not a peacful person.

Seeker

 

[Sam_777]

God made that lawful for him.

Is the creation yours? or God’s?

But that is a law not a one time issue, when someone puts the law then he/she should be a good example for others and follow it himself/herself.

 

[Sam_777]

jakasaki;5043500:

During the year 628 A.D., eight men from the clan of Uraynah, came to Medina.
They became Muslims. While they were there they got sick. Muhammad prescribed a medicine for them: he told them to drink camel milk and camel urine.

Out of curiosity do you have a link for this from other than an anti-Islam site? I would like to read about this if indeed it is true.

Its authentic hadith by Muhammed:

صحيح البخاري:
حدثنا ‏ ‏موسى بن إسماعيل ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏همام ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏قتادة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أنس ‏ ‏رضي الله عنه ‏
‏أن ناسا ‏ ‏اجتووا ‏ ‏في ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فأمرهم النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏أن يلحقوا براعيه ‏ ‏يعني الإبل فيشربوا من ألبانها وأبوالها فلحقوا براعيه فشربوا من ألبانها وأبوالها حتى صلحت أبدانهم فقتلوا ‏ ‏الراعي ‏ ‏وساقوا الإبل فبلغ النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فبعث في طلبهم فجيء بهم فقطع أيديهم وأرجلهم ‏ ‏وسمر ‏ ‏أعينهم ‏

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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:
" Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”)
(E) (A)

 

[Sam_777]

Why did Muhammad offer to divorce all his wives if it was forbidden for him to do so?

Is this business about it being “forbidden” to divorce his wives before taking others a bit like how he was commanded not to hide his lust for the wife of his adopted son?

Muslims justify his actions simply because they believe he is a prophet…

Who said that Muhammed can’t divorce any of his wives!, please sisters and brothers be careful about some members here trying to deceive others by trying to find false workarounds for Muhammed actions.

In fact Muhammed had the right to divorce any of his wives, and indeed he did, per these Quranic verses:

(Quran 65:1) (This verse revealed when Muhammed divorced his wife “Hafsa”):
“O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately) their prescribed periods…”

(Quran 66:5):
“It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you, who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast, previously married or virgins.”

And he divorced “The daughter of Al-Jaun” permanently:

**صحيح البخاري
**حدثنا ‏ ‏الحميدي ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏الوليد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏الأوزاعي ‏ ‏قال سألت ‏ ‏الزهري ‏
‏أي أزواج النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏استعاذت منه ‏ ‏قال أخبرني ‏ ‏عروة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏رضي الله عنها ‏ ‏أن ‏ ‏ابنة ‏ ‏الجون ‏ ‏لما أدخلت على رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ودنا منها قالت أعوذ بالله منك فقال لها ‏ ‏لقد عذت بعظيم الحقي بأهلك ‏​

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 181:
“Narrated Al-Awza:
I asked Az-Zuhri, “Which of the wives of the Prophet sought refuge with Allah from him?” He said "I was told by 'Ursa that 'Aisha said, 'When the daughter of Al-Jaun was brought to Allah’s Apostle (as his bride) and he went near her, she said, “I seek refuge with Allah from you.” He said, "You have sought refuge with The Great; return to your family.”
(E) (A)

 

[Booklover]

Am I the only one who found this ironic? I suppose what we should really aim for is a return to the first century morals of Jewish dissidents in an obscure region of the Roman empire.

Are you okay with the floggings, beheadings, stonings, and cutting off of hands going on in Muslim countries to this day? Is that what you would like to see happening everywhere, since Muslims state that those cruel punishments are for all time?

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Originally posted by Meedo:

Muslims don’t feel the need to defend Muhammeds actions because Profits don’t act from their own self. They act based on what God inspires them. Nearly all people here must make deny the assumption that Muhammed is a prophet and then start judging him from this point. We show you from your own Holy book that Gods orders in your own Holy book are no different really that What God ordered Muhammed. If not more harsh. It is like some one wearing a red shirt bieng pissed of that somebody else is wearing a red shirt and whenever they point out to him that he is wearing the same shirt he tells them to mind their own business!!! I dont remember the exact verse but some where in the New testament Jesus say that people look at the spec in other peoples eyes and don’t see the Log in their own eye.

Well, this post explains why Muslims never see anything wrong with Muhammad’s actions just as InJesus said. “Because he was a prophet”. They actually believe that God sanctioned his behaviour! By believing this, they cannot tell the difference between good and evil anymore. That’s what’s so frightening.

Originally posted by Meedo:
God himself made Mary pregnant when she was 12 .If he thought this was immoral he wouldnt have done it. I am amazed at your question. Muhammed didn’t sin nor according to his culture and nor according to any revelation from God. He proposed and married a lady capable of bearing children and treated her nicely. Nobody is saying that now we should marry our 9 year olds. The time is different.

You’ve got it wrong! God did not have sex with the Virgin Mary! She conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit, not through sexual intercourse!

Vickie