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rk9414
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Wasn’t this verse added later on? It isn’t found in any of the earliest manuscripts
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dolphinlove
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sorry, what are you talking about?
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Sam_777
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I don’t know what you religion is, but throughout my life, I never ever heard a wise statement such as John 8-7, so personally I will never doubt that a human being can come up with such a verse, then its surely from heaven.
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jakasaki
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Hadi - don’t got there.
**Stick with the 21st century and not things that were happening 3000 years ago. Civilized societies DO NOT stone people to death. **
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GraceDK
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Oh dear… you are funny…If you were not obviously joking I would almost think you were a Muslim.
Maybe according to the “older authentic manuscript” Jesus said: “YEAH, lets get her!!!”
Indeed, bizarre that some people think in that way…
One thing to ponder is that if Jesus had acted with the same harshness as the pharisees He would have never become known and loved as the God of the biggest religion in the world.
We believe because He Loves, and because while being totally in line with the covenant history of the chosen people, yet He comes with something new and beautiful, which is fitting for the Messiah of all of humanity. Praised be His Name…
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GraceDK
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Hadi.
We have been over this before. I don’t think you have bothered to read the answers I gave to you when you keep posting things like this. But it’s a valid question.
Let me explain. When Adam and Eve fell they brought sin into human life.
That sin brough with it more sin, disease, death and most importantly it brought SEPERATION from God.
God cannot stand sin because He is Holy. He cannot unite Himself with impurity. With the Fall all of humanity became impure, and thus seperated from God.
You see this evil inclination in your flesh still and you sin and fall quite often. This is a sign of the “sickness of man” which is sin. This is also an empirical fact.
But God in His great Mercy could not stand to be seperated from men and women who He had created in His own image and whom He loved.
The justice of God commanded the law of Moses. But this was the time of justice where man had to atone for his sins here on earth in a way so he might have a chance to be with Christ later on. It was clear from the covenant that atonement has always been necessary, since the time of Abel… atonement by blood. This is so, both according to the Old Law and the New Law, which is the Law of love, based on the ONE offering of the Blood of Christ.
God planned since the time of Adam that He would make a new Covenant one day, where He would again be intimately united with His creation, and He prepared the supreme Victim who would come when the time of justice was over. Inside the time of punishment we see the Mosaic law. This means, the Mosaic law is not what God prefered nor intended from the beginning… We also read that in our Scripture. In the fulness of time the Messiah came to carry all the sins of every man and woman who has ever lived and ever will live, and thus He healed the seperation that was still between man and God.
This was necessary because Adam, the perfect man, sinned. His sin was most attrocious and nature still suffers under this. But Christ stood in our place: He was stoned, flogged, crusified and spat on… and He JUSTIFIED us with HIS own Justice, the Justice that its God’s Own … If you grasp this, you will grasp the essense of Christianity. Without God, who eternally and fully provides atonement in one moment in history, there is no human atonement that is sufficient.
In Christ we live a new life… many times we taste the Kingdom-life already here on earth although the devil is still allowed to tempt us until the last day.
We experience the peace and love that transcends all understanding. We hear prophesy, see healings… even there are people in my country who were raised from the dead in the name of Jesus Christ…
I dont wan’t to write anything more… but its important to understand that Jesus Christ is the Revelation of the Will of God. That Will is LOVE… but even love has been forced to lay down painful justice on man… in a law we could never live up to.
Jesus said: “Its written: if you commit adutery you sin, but I tell you, if you even cast one lustful look at a woman you have sinned with her in your heart and you are guilty”.
The frist step to receiving Christ is to say: “YES, I am a sinner… I see that I fail when I try to justify my self. I need your help. Please forgive me and change me”.
I testify that God hears this prayer and He transforms lives… Thats why Christianity grows, not through child birth but through conversions. We also call Jesus the Great Doctor… the doctor of broken hearts, souls and bodies.
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jakasaki
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The “fruits of mohamad, the koran and islam” in the 21st century.
Wednesday, 20 May 2009 Somali justice - Islamist-style
**People were being invited to see a man have his hand chopped off in a public park in the city. **
The young man, Mohamed Omar Ismail, had been found guilty of stealing goods from another man’s house.
**That afternoon, hundreds of local people flocked to Freedom Park in order to see the amputation. **
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**The official quoted a chapter from the Koran known as Surah Maida, verse 38, which is about stealing and relevant punishment. **
**He said that the verse decreed that punishment for stealing was that the right hand of the thief should be cut off. **
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The eyewitness told of his horror as the bloody body part was dangled by its index finger in front of the crowd to prove that punishment had been meted out.
Mr Ismail is now recovering from his injury in Kismayo General Hospital, where he is being guarded by the Islamist militia who punished him.
Mohamed Omar Ismail reportedly insists he did not commit the burglary
They do not allow him to talk to the media.
But according to an independent source, Mr Ismail insists he did not commit the burglary for which he lost his hand.
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**Amputations and the recent stoning to death of a 13-year-old mentally disabled girl are shocking displays of al-Shabab’s interpretation of Islamic law. **
… more here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8057179.stm
**“Father, forgive them, because they don’t know what they’re doing.” **
Luke 23:34
Wednesday, 20 May 2009 Somali justice - Islamist-style
**People were being invited to see a man have his hand chopped off in a public park in the city. **
The young man, Mohamed Omar Ismail, had been found guilty of stealing goods from another man’s house.
**That afternoon, hundreds of local people flocked to Freedom Park in order to see the amputation. **
~ ***snip ***~
**The official quoted a chapter from the Koran known as Surah Maida, verse 38, which is about stealing and relevant punishment. **
**He said that the verse decreed that punishment for stealing was that the right hand of the thief should be cut off. **
~ ***snip ***~
The eyewitness told of his horror as the bloody body part was dangled by its index finger in front of the crowd to prove that punishment had been meted out.
Mr Ismail is now recovering from his injury in Kismayo General Hospital, where he is being guarded by the Islamist militia who punished him.
Mohamed Omar Ismail reportedly insists he did not commit the burglary
They do not allow him to talk to the media.
But according to an independent source, Mr Ismail insists he did not commit the burglary for which he lost his hand.
~ ***snip ***~
**Amputations and the recent stoning to death of a 13-year-old mentally disabled girl are shocking displays of al-Shabab’s interpretation of Islamic law. **
… more here: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8057179.stm
**“Father, forgive them, because they don’t know what they’re doing.” **
Luke 23:34
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dolphinlove
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Your kidding right, hello, is someone doing candid camera stunts on CAF now???
Now, how should i, or even be bother to show you what is wrong with that story…
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rk9414
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I quoted an evangelical site, are there any inaccuracies in that article?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericope_Adulter%C3%A6
Although in line with many stories in the Gospels and probably primitive (Didascalia Apostolorum refers to it, possibly Papias also), most scholars agree that it was not of the original text of John’s Gospel.[2]
The pericope is not found in its canonical place in any of the earliest surviving Greek Gospel manuscripts; neither in the two 3rd century papyrus witnesses to John - P66 and P75; nor in the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus.
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GraceDK
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So… tell us the story… how does it really go…
Jesus is at the temple… He is writing in the dirt with a stick or whatever… the scribes come with a woman caught in the act… what happens according to you and your scolars… oh yes and I might want to add I was in a university faculty which was advocating the layer-theory on their studies on the Gospels. What I found out about that theory is that its for non-believers, its inconsistent with logic and its leaving the texts more confusing than ever… besides … the criterias for what was earlier and later layers in the texts always seemed to be made subjectically by some scolar who wanted to make a name for him self in the academic world not worrying that his theories were bogus.
So sorry… I have heard tooooo much of that at university.
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Booklover
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It was in other documents and the Church considers it valid. Why are Muslims so in love with the concept of stoning people? Where are compassion and mercy in Islam?
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GodIsGracious
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You’re deflecting. You know why we keep bringing it up? Because you nor any other Muslim denounces what your prophet did. That means you accept it and feel it is ok.** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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You people will never be tired to bring the same subject again & again & again ??
We get that young marriage is not a “must” in Islam. However, YOUR OWN PROPHET was a pedophile, yet you keep trying to deflect by bringing up what happens in the west.
A pregnant teen is too young to be pregnant. Period. That fact that she has to find out who the ‘baby daddy’ is through DNA testing IS a shame. Of course there are people who are shocked. But will we have the baby aborted due to the mistake of a teenager? No.
And hey, at least “western” baby girls don’t have a fear of being sold or ravaged by some old man before they hit puberty.
Quit deflecting. Do you agree with your prophet at age 50 or so having sex with a 9 year old girl? Clearly you do since you never clearly state “No.” And, being a prophet, I am sure he is one that people in Islam would want to emulate. That means, more 50+ year old men having sex with CHILDREN.
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ChristIsLord
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muslim woman i think makes an excellent point here and one i have somehow never even considered. when we talk about a 14 year old getting married the idea is foreign and seems crazy to us. yet in the west we pretty much accept sex at that age or any High School age as a normal part of growing up. so in essence we say sex is fine for younger teens and we should give them means to have it safely, condoms, access to abortion hiv testing etc… but protect them from not being able to enter a marriage??? it’s a strange set of standards we have in the west.
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Jay53
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Maybe YOU think this is normal and acceptable, but I certainly don’t and the Catholic Church certainly doesn’t. MW often confuses Catholicism and/or Christianity with “the West” and lumps everyone together. Please don’t do the same thing.
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GodIsGracious
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I agree with Jay53. It’s not right nor is it acceptable. And I don’t even have children.ChristIsLord;5225213:
Maybe YOU think this is normal and acceptable, but I certainly don’t and the Catholic Church certainly doesn’t. MW often confuses Catholicism and/or Christianity with “the West” and lumps everyone together. Please don’t do the same thing.
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ChristIsLord
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the VAST majority of catholics in the west IMO fit the description i protrayed, we can agree to disagree but that’s my opinion adn i think it’s very obvious. it is perfectly normal in the west even amongst the majority of catholics to not blink twice if your high school son or daughter is engaging in sex. i don’t see how anyone can not acknowledge that.Maybe YOU think this is normal and acceptable, but I certainly don’t and the Catholic Church certainly doesn’t. MW often confuses Catholicism and/or Christianity with “the West” and lumps everyone together. Please don’t do the same thing.
most muslims aren’t getting married at 14 either it’s a cultural thing yet you want to hold her faith accountible for something is an anomoly, yet you want to ignore something and not apply the same standard to something is the overwhelming majority in your own culture.
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ChristIsLord
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joined the board i was christian, since left and removed the religion from my profile and added that i am not a christian in my sig. i don’t reveal my religion because i have none… you are forgiven don’t worry about it…
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qui_est_ce
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Since you are not a practising Catholic, you probably aren 't a member of your local parish or attend mass regularly. Therefore your opinion is based on anecdotal experience. I happen to be a regular mass-goer and active parishioner. I can tell you for a fact that practicing Catholics DO NOT approve of premarital sex. And yes, we do blink an eye at the thought of high school kids having sex. The curriculum of EVERY Catholic high school and parochial grade school includes courses in chastity, marriage, and the teachings of the Church. Anyone who has contact with children, such as Boy Scout leaders, must take a class in “Protect the Children” program.
Now there are some people out there who call themselves “Catholics” like Nancy Pelosi, VP Biden, Sen Kennedy. But they openly flaunt the teachings of the Church which they profess to believe in. Why they would claim to be part of a belief system with which they have major disagreements is beyond me.
And finally, your point is off topic. You would do better to start a thread on Catholic hypocrasy and Mohammed.
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