Are Muslims okay with Muhammed actions?

[jakasaki]

joined the board i was christian, since left and removed the religion from my profile and added that i am not a christian in my sig. i don’t reveal my religion because i have none… you are forgiven don’t worry about it…

Great! I believe there is an atheist thread already started.

Now is a good time for you not to use this profile and create and brand new one. I’m sure the mod’s will understand in deleting your “old profile” so you may start new with your new adventure.

 

[ChristIsLord]

Great! I believe there is an atheist thread already started.

Now is a good time for you not to use this profile and create and brand new one. I’m sure the mod’s will understand in deleting your “old profile” so you may start new with your new adventure.

yeah because being a christian and atheist is the only option…

how about i keep my profile i’ve had for a year and not care waht you think? most people are reasonable enough to read my very clear signature line…

 

[jakasaki]

yeah because being a christian and atheist is the only option…

how about i keep my profile i’ve had for a year and not care waht you think? most people are reasonable enough to read my very clear signature line…

Fine by me, whatever floats your boat.

Your name is on a sticky note on my computer so I won’t waste time reading your stuff. I don’t believe in blocking members, so I do not use that function.

Take care!

 

[qui_est_ce]

yeah because being a christian and atheist is the only option…

Where did Pam say this in her post?

how about i keep my profile i’ve had for a year and not care waht you think? most people are reasonable enough to read my very clear signature line…

My goodness…

 

[josie_L]

muslim woman i think makes an excellent point here and one i have somehow never even considered. when we talk about a 14 year old getting married the idea is foreign and seems crazy to us. yet in the west we pretty much accept sex at that age or any High School age as a normal part of growing up. so in essence we say sex is fine for younger teens and we should give them means to have it safely, condoms, access to abortion hiv testing etc… but protect them from not being able to enter a marriage??? it’s a strange set of standards we have in the west.

You have a point in that Western culture allows for teenagers to have sex outside of marriage, but this is not a Christian standard, even though some Christians are indifferent and to a certain extent are to blame for the society for which we live in now. Having said this, however, Muslims hold Mohammed to be the Muslim standard of all that is good and holy, can you see then why there is this need to point out to Muslims that Mohammed was not all that was good or holy (a man marrying a 9 year old still playing with dolls), and in fact, how can one compare the morality of Christ with that of Mohammed? There is a huge difference between the two, even as a former Christian/Catholic you can see this?

 

[GraceDK]

joined the board i was christian, since left and removed the religion from my profile and added that i am not a christian in my sig. i don’t reveal my religion because i have none… you are forgiven don’t worry about it…

For the sake of clarity get a new profile name. It’s that simple. Not a Christian? don’t appear as one. It damages your own points and causes confusion. And no, I don’t go behind every post to see what people wrote in their private profile.

I am sorry you did not find Jesus worthy of your life… I would like you to ponder, what could He have done for you that He has not done, so that you would accept Him and the bleading Heart He has extended to you…

 

[elwill]

You have a point in that Western culture allows for teenagers to have sex outside of marriage, but this is not a Christian standard, even though some Christians are indifferent and to a certain extent are to blame for the society for which we live in now. Having said this, however, Muslims hold Mohammed to be the Muslim standard of all that is good and holy, can you see then why there is this need to point out to Muslims that Mohammed was not all that was good or holy (a man marrying a 9 year old still playing with dolls), and in fact, how can one compare the morality of Christ with that of Mohammed? There is a huge difference between the two, even as a former Christian/Catholic you can see this?

yes , the differes is about taking mohammed pbuh to be our standard
well , tell me do christians supposing to take jesus pbuh to be thier standard ?
if yes , why they marrying while jesus didn’t ?

plz don’t consider it silly question , i just want to hear your justification for not following jesus standard in this matter

 

[GraceDK]

yes , the differes is about taking mohammed pbuh to be our standard
well , tell me do christians supposing to take jesus pbuh to be thier standard ?
if yes , why they marrying while jesus didn’t ?

plz don’t consider it silly question , i just want to hear your justification for not following jesus standard in this matter

Yes Jesus Christ is the only perfect man who ever lived. So He is our ultimate example. He never sinned. We may look at Abraham and say: Wow he had great faith, and then we imitate certain of his traits and certain of his actions, but we also know that not everything Abraham did was perfect. he sinned severel times … we dont imitate the sins… But God can still use frail men and women for His supreme purpose. It must be so, which is also what we see all around us. All have sinned and lost the glory of God… there is not one Christian or one muslim you can point at who did not do some unwise, weak or sinful thing…
This does not mean we all have the same calling as Jesus did. We are not all the Messiah. We are not all prophets, we are not all born of a virgin…
Jesus is fully God and fully man. For Him to marry, it would mean God has a children with his creation, which is absurd. What would come of these children,… they would be half gods??
No, Jesus came here on a Mission of Salvation. He knew He was going to die for the sins of all humanity, so also therefore it would have been immoral for Him to have wife and children.
However, marriage is a beautiful thing, made by God. God wants us to have this beautiful gift. So is sexuality… a most wonderful and beautiful thing if its done within a monogamous, holy, faithful and loving marriage. If not… it’s only use and lust.

Peace to you.

 

[elwill]

Yes Jesus Christ is the only perfect man who ever lived. So He is our ultimate example. He never sinned. We may look at Abraham and say: Wow he had great faith, and then we imitate certain of his traits and certain of his actions, but we also know that not everything Abraham did was perfect. he sinned severel times … we dont imitate the sins… But God can still use frail men and women for His supreme purpose. It must be so, which is also what we see all around us. All have sinned and lost the glory of God… there is not one Christian or one muslim you can point at who did not do some unwise, weak or sinful thing…
This does not mean we all have the same calling as Jesus did. We are not all the Messiah. We are not all prophets, we are not all born of a virgin…
Jesus is fully God and fully man. For Him to marry, it would mean God has a children with his creation, which is absurd. What would come of these children,… they would be half gods??
No, Jesus came here on a Mission of Salvation. He knew He was going to die for the sins of all humanity, so also therefore it would have been immoral for Him to have wife and children.
However, marriage is a beautiful thing, made by God. God wants us to have this beautiful gift. So is sexuality… a most wonderful and beautiful thing if its done within a monogamous, holy, faithful and loving marriage. If not… it’s only use and lust.

Peace to you.

i hope if you don’t feel any offense
my point is that unmarriage of jesus (pbuh) dosn’t mean that you have to follow his standard in this aspect

 

[ChristIsLord]

For the sake of clarity get a new profile name. It’s that simple. Not a Christian? don’t appear as one. It damages your own points and causes confusion. And no, I don’t go behind every post to see what people wrote in their private profile.

clarity is right in my signature, it states everything clearly you don’t have to dig into my profile. sorry in order to “create a new name” it is not “simple” you have to create and manage another email address to associate with that name which i do not feel like doing. how about you not really worry about my handle? isn’t that much easier for everyone?

 

[Booklover]

No, that is exactly what it means! Having a role model does not mean we have to do everything the way he did. Following his example means observing the commandments and ethical teachings he gave us. Muslims are so accustomed to doing everything the way Muhammad did it, they just don’t understand what following someone’s example really means. Every human being is unique. We were not all created the same. And yet in the Islamic tradition, everyone has to become just like Muhammad. Why? Muhammad was Muhammad, you are you, another unique creation. What happened to your individuality? Why would God go to the trouble of creating everyone different and yet expect everyone to copy one man? Tell me, if Muhammad had cut off an ear, would you do the same in imitation of him?

Vickie

 

[Abbadon]

Wow it’s so amazing watching Christians and Muslims debate each other… Atheists shouldn’t even have to bother, believers can fight it out themselves…

 

[Abbadon]

I am sorry you did not find Jesus worthy of your life… I would like you to ponder, what could He have done for you that He has not done, so that you would accept Him and the bleading Heart He has extended to you…

Since god knows everything, I’m sure he knows that that is…

 

[GodIsGracious]

Wow it’s so amazing watching Christians and Muslims debate each other… Atheists shouldn’t even have to bother, believers can fight it out themselves…

The amusing thing is that 1) atheists are on this board, and 2) whenever I have run across an atheist (off this board), they are the ones to bring up religion first and are the ones who want to “debate.”

 

[qui_est_ce]

i hope if you don’t feel any offense
my point is that unmarriage of jesus (pbuh) dosn’t mean that you have to follow his standard in this aspect

We don’t dress like Jesus did, we don’t live in Israel like Jesus did. We are to emulate his holy QUALITIES. Chastity, love, charity.

 

[dolphinlove]

We don’t dress like Jesus did, we don’t live in Israel like Jesus did. We are to emulate his holy QUALITIES. Chastity, love, charity.

might be hard for me to grow a beard as well…

 

[elwill]

No, that is exactly what it means! Having a role model does not mean we have to do everything the way he did.
Following his example means observing the commandments and ethical teachings he gave us.

this is my point exactly
this is the same things which muslims observing from the life of mohammed (pbuh) . age of his wives have nothing to do with our islam , it isn’t encouraged nor prohibited and we didn’t have to marry 9 yo to become good muslims

can we then grow up and dicuss important issue about relegion of islam , because this issue actually not important in islamic faith to refute it’s teaching

you hate Muslims because they accustomed to doing everything the way Muhammad did it , then ask yourself about the precentage of these muslims whom married 9yo girls , then you will found out that you discuss useless issue

 

[dolphinlove]

this is my point exactly
this is the same things which muslims observing from the life of mohammed (pbuh) . age of his wives have nothing to do with our islam , it isn’t encouraged nor prohibited and we didn’t have to marry 9 yo to become good muslims

can we then grow up and dicuss important issue about relegion of islam , because this issue actually not important in islamic faith to refute it’s teaching

you hate Muslims because they accustomed to doing everything the way Muhammad did it , then ask yourself about the precentage of these muslims whom married 9yo girls , then you will found out that you discuss useless issue

again, another attempt to justify and get off topic about muhammad marrying a ***6 ***year old.
You dont think this issue is important? Well, let me give it to you this way.
You said “it isn’t encouraged nor prohibited and we didn’t have to marry 9 yo to become good muslims”
Well, your prophet was your example of how to live life, one of those things he did WAS marry a 6 year old, hence he has set a precedence to do this. By marrying aisha, he is giving the ok to do this, and he is also giving the ok to have sex with a 9 year old.
So, not all muslims may be doing this, but how many cases do you see now of old men marrying young children, hundreds!
Bottom line is, your prophet is your lead, he is your example on how to live life. So anything we bring up about him is not useless and is worth conversing over.
If you dont think this topic is important, then you must be ok with men having sex with children?

 

[dzheremi]

Respectfully, Elwill, I have to point out that it would be a big issue even if only 0.010% did it, because it is morally reprehensible to us. The fact that it is the example of your prophet, who is supposed to be a moral example for everyone throughout the world forever, makes it important even if it is very rare. This is the same stance we take towards polygamy, another thing that is made lawful to you in your religion by the example of your prophet.

Unfortunately for you, you do not get to decide why other people have problems with your religion. If you actually want to have a conversation you need to listen the reasons that they give you and address those as honestly as you can. If someone tells you “I have a problem with the example of your prophet in this area”, it makes no sense to say “well, it’s not a problem to ME, so I’m not going to discuss it, because it is a worthless objection.” This applies equally to everyone. I am very, very tired of answering the same 5 ridiculous questions about Catholicism from Protestants in my day to day life (“Why do you guys worship the Pope?”, “Why do you guys worship Mary?”. etc.), but I still do it, because that’s what they obviously have trouble with.

 

[qui_est_ce]

this is my point exactly
this is the same things which muslims observing from the life of mohammed (pbuh) . age of his wives have nothing to do with our islam , it isn’t encouraged nor prohibited and we didn’t have to marry 9 yo to become good muslims

It is the fact the you call a man a Prophet who does these things.

can we then grow up and dicuss important issue about relegion of islam , because this issue actually not important in islamic faith to refute it’s teaching

I see your point, but I have to question the credibility of Mohammed being a Prophet because of what he did.

you hate Muslims because they accustomed to doing everything the way Muhammad did it , then ask yourself about the precentage of these muslims whom married 9yo girls , then you will found out that you discuss useless issue

We do not hate Muslims. We hate a false religion based on false sayings of false prophet. A true prophet does not sanction that which is against the Bible: Polygamy, adultery. I think most Muslims are very holy and prayerful and lead moral lives. In US, they do not practice polygamy. They pray and are very charitable and gentle. There have been some “honor” killings. A Muslim man in Minneapolis chopped his wife’s head off because she wanted to divorce him. And a father in New York killed his teen-age daughters for dating American boys. Koran says this is ok. But it is NOT ok. The religious teachings themselves are wrong. Better to follow Christianity if one wants to have a religious affiliation.