Are my views and beliefs heretical?

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Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
  • I believe there should not be altar girls.
  • I believe in Limbo.
  • I believe you should pray the Rosary.
  • I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
  • I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
  • I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
  • I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
  • I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
  • I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
  • I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
  • I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
  • I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
  • I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
  • I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
  • I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
  • I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
  • I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)
So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?
 
Mister_De said:
Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
  • I believe there should not be altar girls.
  • I believe in Limbo.
  • I believe you should pray the Rosary.
  • I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
  • I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
  • I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
  • I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
  • I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
  • I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
  • I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
  • I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
  • I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
  • I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
  • I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
  • I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
  • I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
  • I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)
So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?
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I certainly don’t think anything you have stated is heretical.

Well, except where you said that altar rails are not really a big deal. That’s borderline heretical ;).
 
Mister_De said:
Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
  • I believe there should not be altar girls.
  • I believe in Limbo.
  • I believe you should pray the Rosary.
  • I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
  • I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
  • I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
  • I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
  • I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
  • I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
  • I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
  • I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
  • I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
  • I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
  • I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
  • I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
  • I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
  • I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)
So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?
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Valid views, although it goes too far to suggest that canon law should regulate attire. Modest, Christian attire will do.
 
I think everything here is fine, with the exception of the comment on NFP and oral sex. A Catholic has the right not to engage in these practices, but I’m not sure that it’s acceptable to condemn them as evil, since NFP, at least, is approved by the magisterium.

Also, condemning oral sex would be the equivalent of condemning any act of pleasurable foreplay. As long as there is overall movement towards natural intercourse, I cannot see that any form of foreplay is intrinsically evil.
 
Mister_De said:
Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
  • I believe there should not be altar girls.
  • I believe in Limbo.
  • I believe you should pray the Rosary.
  • I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
  • I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
  • I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
  • I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
  • I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
  • I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
  • I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
  • I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
  • I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
  • I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
  • I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
  • I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
  • I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
  • I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)
So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?
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I would appreciate if you could explain in greater depth when you said that you don’t believe in NFP. It’s one thing to say you don’t want to practice it as NFP isn’t mandatory but no sincere Catholic can say its bad in and of itself.

Does this mean that NFP can’t be abused? Of course not. But so can saying a rosary. Say you have children and they need to eat. You shouldn’t start saying a rosary when they have to eat.
 
childofmary1143 said:
I would appreciate if you could explain in greater depth when you said that you don’t believe in NFP. It’s one thing to say you don’t want to practice it as NFP isn’t mandatory but no sincere Catholic can say its bad in and of itself.
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I don’t believe it should be practiced. In my eyes, it’s immoral. The purpose of sex is pro-creation. If someone practices NFP, I believe it to be just as bad as using a condom. I’m against all contraception; natural and otherwise. If you don’t wish to have kids, you shouldn’t be having sex. :tiphat::twocents:
 
Mister_De said:
*]I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) … The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
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This is heretical - the Vatican has always recognized the moral neutrality of timing conjugal acts as a way of planning family size (all other things being equal). If you deny that, then you must deny the Vatican’s authority on matters of faith and morals.
 
Mister_De said:
I don’t believe it should be practiced. In my eyes, it’s immoral. The purpose of sex is pro-creation. If someone practices NFP, I believe it to be just as bad as using a condom. I’m against all contraception; natural and otherwise. If you don’t wish to have kids, you shouldn’t be having sex. :tiphat::twocents:
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That phrase is the same used by so called Catholics who justify any dissent from Church teaching.

If something is immoral then its sinful right? If its sinful then the Church could NEVER permit it. Has there ever been any official Church document condemning it? No. Hence, it is not immoral.
 
Mr Dee, did it ever occur to you that NFP can be used to time intercourse to take place at the woman’s most fertile periods to increase the chances of conception?

The method is not merely contraceptive in itself.

Furthermore, I’m neither the prophet nor am I the son of a prophet, but I’m willing to bet that women who practice NFP will be able to catch abnormalities of their reproductive systems. It’s only smart for a woman to know what’s normal with her boty and what isn’t. Compare this with breast self-examination.
 
All of these things you have said, including those statements beginning “I believe” are simply your own preferences and opinions. I hope you recognize that fact.

NONE touch issued de fide. Limbo certainly was never one.
 
Mister_De said:
I don’t believe it should be practiced. In my eyes, it’s immoral. The purpose of sex is pro-creation. If someone practices NFP, I believe it to be just as bad as using a condom. I’m against all contraception; natural and otherwise. If you don’t wish to have kids, you shouldn’t be having sex. :tiphat::twocents:
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You’re definitely outside of Catholic teaching on this one.
 
I see nothing heretical. You go further than the Catholic Church teaches on some items, but no where near heresy. Your beliefs are in line with Catholic doctrine where the issue is a matter of Catholic doctrine. In other areas, heresy is a non-issue.
 
NFP is open to the act of pro-creation - it is not immoral.

Homosexual priests,nuns or teachers are perfectly fine as long as they hold fast to the Church’s teachings on sexuality. Heterosexual priests still experience desire for a woman yet they can control themselves and still adhere to Church teaching, it can be the exact same with someone who is attracted to the same sex.

Young-Earth creationism is irrational but I don’t think it is an invalid belief. There is even evidence that some of the Early Church fathers doubted the literal division of days or the length of those days in the Genesis account.
 
Mister_De said:
Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe …
  • I believe …
  • I believe …
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Most of these things are personal preferences and you’re certainly allowed to have your preferences. The only thing I’d be careful about is trying to push your preferences on other people or thinking they’re heretical because their preferences are different.
 
So, if I understand it correctly, if it is okay (not heretical in any way, shape or form) to go outside of church teaching to the “right,” then it must be okay to go outside of church teaching to the “left.” (And, just for the record, I swing much further to the “right” than anywhere near the “left.”)

All that matters is “I believe . . . .”

Or am I missing something?
 
IrishAm said:
So, if I understand it correctly, if it is okay (not heretical in any way, shape or form) to go outside of church teaching to the “right,” then it must be okay to go outside of church teaching to the “left.”
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In many areas, yes it is.
 
In almost everything you have listed you use the terms “should”, or “I prefer”. Therefore you are speaking from your own opinions and preferances.
I don’t see any of these as being heretical so long as you don’t try to pass your personal preferences off as Church teaching.
Mister_De said:
Ok, I just want to make sure my views are still valid, and in no way, shape, or form, heretical.

Call me conservative, but…
  • I believe you should not eat meat on Fridays.
  • I believe there should not be altar girls.
  • I believe in Limbo.
    You may be right - - - - Or not- - - -😃
  • I believe you should pray the Rosary.
  • I believe there should not be homosexual priests, nuns, or Catholic school teachers.
  • I believe Freemasonry is some sort of religious cult (that possibly worships Lucifer) and no Catholic should be a part of it.
  • I believe there should be a canon law that requires certain attire for Mass.
  • I believe in Young Earth Creationism.
    You may be right - - - - Or not- - - -😃
  • I don’t believe in cremation. I can’t stress the word “don’t” enough. I believe one should have a proper funeral and burial.
  • I don’t believe in Natural Family Planning (NFP) or oral sex. The purpose of sex is pro-creation.
    You may not believe in it but the Church does.🤷
  • I don’t believe one should get tattoos.
  • I don’t believe one should engage in yoga.
  • I prefer the Baltimore Catechism.
  • I prefer the 1950 Holy Family Catholic Bible. (Is this Bible even approved?)
  • I prefer receiving the Eucharist on my tongue, not in the hand.
  • I prefer anonymous confession, in a confessional, not in a reconciliation room.
  • I recognize February 14th as Saint Valentine’s feast day.
  • I feel there should be altar rails. (Not really a big deal)
So, are any of these heretical or are they completely valid views?

Oh, and please don’t argue. Debating is not the purpose of this thread.

And yes, I have used the search feature, but who has time to rummage through 50 threads?
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To each his own.

God Bless
James
 
Although perhaps not in the mainstream, the beliefs you hold are heterodox (within the bounds of acceptance).

Matthew
 
No, heterodox means “different belief” (hetero dokein) in Greek. Think heterosexual.
 
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