Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

[notself]

Yes, I did pull people from their faith while i was on my mission. Luckily, I kept an appointment book and wrote them a letter after my mission stating my views now and apologising for my acts.

I love being Catholic and enjoy it. It is useful, has utility and is pragmatic in daily life. It can keep one hones if confession is used correctly as a…sharpening stone… if you will.

Don in Vegas

Let me be clear. Did you ever pull someone away who had thorough knowledge and belief in their faith before they met you? I am not talking about someone who did not have a good intellectual understanding of the teachings of their fatih. I am not talking about Catholics, for example, who only go to Mass but do not know and understand Church teachings.

It was good of you to share your conversion with the people you converted. Did you ever hear back from any of them? What did they say?

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Purgatory, like heaven and hell, exists outside of time and space as we understand time and space. I have been told by multiple priests that when you see an indulgence attached to a prayer in an old prayer book that it will say something like 40 years and 3 quartrains. These priests explained to me that the indulgence is **not **that you get 40 years and 3 quartrains knocked off your time in purgatory. Rather, the fourty years is the length of penance you would have to do in the really old days to earn the indulgence. It appears from what they told me, that in the days of the early church if you committed a serious sin you had to do penance for years before you were allowed to receive the sacraments and rejoin the community. And depending on the sin, you might be really lucky to be able to rejoin the community before you died of old age. So a prayer that was heavily enough indulgenced to be the equivalent of 40 years or even just a thousand days of penance was little short of miraculous.

Anyway, many Catholics saw these indulgences connected to time/duration and assumed it meant x number of years off your term in purgatory but it was a misunderstanding.

 

[nbtb1348]

Purgatory, like heaven and hell, exists outside of time and space as we understand time and space. I have been told by multiple priests that when you see an indulgence attached to a prayer in an old prayer book that it will say something like 40 years and 3 quartrains. These priests explained to me that the indulgence is **not **that you get 40 years and 3 quartrains knocked off your time in purgatory. Rather, the fourty years is the length of penance you would have to do in the really old days to earn the indulgence. It appears from what they told me, that in the days of the early church if you committed a serious sin you had to do penance for years before you were allowed to receive the sacraments and rejoin the community. And depending on the sin, you might be really lucky to be able to rejoin the community before you died of old age. So a prayer that was heavily enough indulgenced to be the equivalent of 40 years or even just a thousand days of penance was little short of miraculous.

Anyway, many Catholics saw these indulgences connected to time/duration and assumed it meant x number of years off your term in purgatory but it was a misunderstanding.

Isaiah says **“all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags”

Titus 3–(Notice it is PAST TENSE) “But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.”

Hebrews 6:1–"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of **repentance from dead ****works, and of faith toward God, "

Galatians 2:16–“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

A person who is TRULY BORN AGAIN discovers that he has been adopted into a FAMILY where the loving Father has taken care of EVERYTHING. We now serve **“in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter” **(guys, the LETTER of the law says do this or else!!

Forget everything else you want to debate, and pray until God shows you the truth of these verses and others like them!

 

[MrS]

A person who is TRULY BORN AGAIN discovers that he has been adopted into a FAMILY where the loving Father has taken care of EVERYTHING. We now serve **“in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter” **(guys, the LETTER of the law says do this or else!!

Forget everything else you want to debate, and pray until God shows you the truth of these verses and others like them!

Question: how did you - YOU - know that you were “born again”.

Question: if again really means again… when was the prior “born” event?

Question: If God “shows you the truth of” Scripture, and you really believe … and if God “shows the truth” of the same Scripture to another… and they contradict each other…

how do you know that, at best, at least one of you is wrong?

Question: Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will ever lead one into error?

.

 

[distracted]

Isaiah says **“all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags”

Titus 3–(Notice it is PAST TENSE) “But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.”

Hebrews 6:1–"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of **repentance from dead ****works, and of faith toward God, "

Galatians 2:16–“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

A person who is TRULY BORN AGAIN discovers that he has been adopted into a FAMILY where the loving Father has taken care of EVERYTHING. We now serve **“in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter” **(guys, the LETTER of the law says do this or else!!

Forget everything else you want to debate, and pray until God shows you the truth of these verses and others like them!

you don’t understand indulgences of the concept of doing penance… When a soul commits sin, he has damaged his soul and lost grace (closeness with God)… When he does good things (prayer, fasting, sacrifice, acts of charity), grace returns and sanctifies the soul.

The Bible says (many places) that we must be purified… In Rev 21:27 it says that no impure thing will enter Heaven…

1Cor 3:13… St. Mt 18:23… etc… (St. Luke 13:24)

 

[Jimmy_B]

thank you so much… I had momentarily forgotten about the fact that we don’t have to believe everthing a saint says… thereby making this whole discussion about the # of yrs in Purg somewhat moot…

even so, I have been in (deep) Purgatory for about 15 yrs now… (long story what all i mean)… We are to begin our Purg on this earth… & when i turned to Jesus in a serious way yrs ago… that began to happen in earnest… Of course, i have also seen very clearly that people punish us sometimes more (and for a logner period of time) than God seems to… Or is that just my own subjective feelings speaking? I don’t know… all i know is that i have been in “hell” for many yrs… and every time i think i am getting some kind of break, some other weird thing happens… and… well, whatever… So my point is that i have no trouble believing in that 40 yr thing… I am not even the worst of the worst sinner… meaning i haven’t committed some of the bigger sins some people have… never had an abortion, etc… and i have not committed any mortal sins in a long time…have had even the venials sacramentally forgiven… my point being that even after all that… even while i do my utmost to cling to Christ every day/every way… I am still in Purg and i accept the fact that i probably will be for a very long time…

That being said, i also say (again) that *a lot of the hell i go through has to do with other people’s sins (against me and not directly against me)… *
sin is what makes this world Hell… (obviously)…

God bless…

Thank you distracted,

Life can sure be challenging at times. I will pray for you that your situation improves.

Jesus loves you!

Peace

 

[sambos671]

Question: how did you - YOU - know that you were “born again”.

Question: if again really means again… when was the prior “born” event?

Question: If God “shows you the truth of” Scripture, and you really believe … and if God “shows the truth” of the same Scripture to another… and they contradict each other…

how do you know that, at best, at least one of you is wrong?

Question: Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will ever lead one into error?

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Only questions 1, 3 and 4 seem valid. Question 2 the scriptures are self explanitory. Born the first time is obvioiusly your natural birth ie birthday, out of the womb. When your mother had you. The question then relate to what is meant by born again. Jesus indicates it by the spirit. But what does that mean? The Catholic Church says its at baptism when you are admitted into the community of believers. Protestants hold to a consept of just internal knowledge evidenced by belief (unshakable for some). Also evident by how your life is affected by it. But there is no real defining thing other than that you actually believe rather than just “pay lip service” For a protestant its a mystical consept. Unfortunately, a lot closer to the Mormon’s view of the burning in the bussom. For most protestants its an emotional event.

 

[distracted]

Thank you distracted,

Life can sure be challenging at times. I will pray for you that your situation improves.

Jesus loves you!

Peace

thank you so much…

I know that my situation will improve…

When i get to Heaven…

Right now, it seems to be getting worse…

& its probably my own fault… because, well… as my mother will tell you:

Everything is my fault… :hypno:

 

[wisdomseeker]

thank you so much…

I know that my situation will improve…

When i get to Heaven…

Right now, it seems to be getting worse…

& its probably my own fault… because, well… as my mother will tell you:

Everything is my fault… :hypno:

I am with you distract. i hope you saw GKC on EWTN last night. it was very good. God bless you. suffering has always been a part of Catholics lives.

 

[distracted]

I am with you distract. i hope you saw GKC on EWTN last night. it was very good. God bless you. suffering has always been a part of Catholics lives.

GKC??

Thanks for the uplifting comments…

yeah, i try to recall, when i am suffering, that thing St. Faustina said… about the people having lots of fun all thorughout their lives… and then the end comes and thye are in Hell… and then that rocky, thorny, narrow road where people are crying… and fall but get back up… and then they find themselves, in the end, in Heaven, where they forget all their sufferings…

I’m having a hard time believing i will totally forget…