Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

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Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?
 
Here again, how can we possibly know the “why, when, how” etc… This is for God to know and us to find out. Didn’t He say somewhere that we would be surprised at who will be in heaven and also at who will not be there??

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How can someone pull another away from one faith to another? No one can force another to believe something.

Someone can provide an argument that one faith is true and another is false, but the person influenced by the argument is completely responsible for leaving and no one else.
Even the Devil can only tempt someone. He cannot force someone to sin. Sin is a personal responsibility. Or am I missing something?
 
someotherguy said:
If they’re not born again, yes.
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Hello someotherguy,

I Have 5 Questions -
  1. Aren’t Catholics “Born Again”… even by “Born Again” standards?
  2. If a “Born Again” pulls a Catholic away from their Catholic Faith…that’s Ok?
  3. How does being a “Born Again” make it Ok?
  4. If Catholics are, by the "Born Again” definition - “Born Again”, why would anyone need to pull them away from their Catholic Faith?
  5. Do you believe that practicing, or observant Catholics are “Saved”?
Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy_B said:
Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?
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Depends on the motivation. I would not rule out the possibility that some people might be motivated by hatred and arrogance and presumption in their desire to proselytize others. Jesus talked about this in Matt. 23.

Edwin
 
Jimmy_B said:
  1. Aren’t Catholics “Born Again”… even by “Born Again” standards?
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No. There may be some individual Roman Catholics who are born again, but you seem to be implying that every Roman Catholic is born again by default.

That’s just not true.
  1. If a “Born Again” pulls a Catholic away from their Catholic Faith…that’s Ok?
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I honestly can’t imagine a situation where a “born again” would drag a Roman Catholic into a Christian denomination against their will.
  1. How does being a “Born Again” make it Ok?
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Make what OK?
  1. If Catholics are, by the "Born Again” definition - “Born Again”, why would anyone need to pull them away from their Catholic Faith?
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If a Roman Catholic were born again, then the Holy Spirit living in him would testify that the teaching he’s receiving in Roman Catholicism is not true. The born again person would naturally want to seek out sound teaching.
  1. Do you believe that practicing, ]or observant Catholics are “Saved”?
Like I said, I have no doubt that there are individual Roman Catholics who are saved but, like Mormons, I believe that this is in spite of Roman Catholic teaching, not because of it.
 
Sorry, But I voted YEP because it doesn’t say that I’m judging anyone.🤷
It says “they are in DANGER of going to hell”.
Aren’t we all in DANGER of going to hell?🤷
 
If someone is honestly convinced, however mistakenly, that the Catholic Church is not the true church founded by Christ, and tries to convince others of this fact…

because in their hearts they really believe they are doing the work of Christ, and no one has ever really explained to them in a convincing way why they’re wrong …

why do you think Jesus would send them to Hell?
 
someotherguy said:
If a Roman Catholic were born again, then the Holy Spirit living in him would testify that the teaching he’s receiving in Roman Catholicism is not true.
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Is this why you are so oddly reluctant actually to defend your theology from Scripture? You think that if you just sneer at everyone long enough, the Holy Spirit will testify to us that what you are saying is correct without you having to provide an actual argument?

And, of course, if we show no signs of bowing down to your vague jargon, that just proves that we aren’t really born again and you can wash your hands of us?

Mighty convenient, this kind of theology.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Is this why you are so oddly reluctant actually to defend your theology from Scripture?
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I’m not reluctant to defend anything from scripture. He asked my opinion and I gave it to him.

You know, following me around from thread to thread just to give me a hard time is awfully obnoxious. Do you really think your behavior and your attitude glorifies Christ at all?
You think that if you just sneer at everyone long enough, the Holy Spirit will testify to us that what you are saying is correct without you having to provide an actual argument?
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I didn’t sneer at anyone. I answered his question politely and sincerely.
And, of course, if we show no signs of bowing down to your vague jargon, that just proves that we aren’t really born again and you can wash your hands of us?
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You know, you’re very rude.

Let me ask you a question: if you were to die today and stand before God, do you think He would send you to Heaven or to Hell?
 
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wrote - "No. There may be some individual Roman Catholics who are born again, but you seem to be implying that every Roman Catholic is born again by default.

That’s just not true…"**
"That’s just not true"

Really, what do you base this on?

Hello again** someotherguy**,

What is your definition of, “Born Again” and how does one become “Born Again”? And… do you believe that Baptism required to be "Born Again?

Peace 🙂
 
If St. Paul was unsure about his own salvation I don’t know how we can be sure of ours much less anyone else.
 
someotherguy said:
I’m not reluctant to defend anything from scripture. He asked my opinion and I gave it to him.

You know, following me around from thread to thread just to give me a hard time is awfully obnoxious. Do you really think your behavior and your attitude glorifies Christ at all?
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Do you think that your persistence in making dogmatic claims without trying to defend them glorifies Christ?

I am not following you around. I keep running into you making these bombastic claims without a shred of basis. And I am quite rightly calling you on them.

Edwin
 
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Sorry, But I voted YEP because it doesn’t say that I’m judging anyone.🤷
It says “they are in DANGER of going to hell”.
Aren’t we all in DANGER of going to hell?🤷
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😊 Sorry, I voted wrong because I read the title of this thread & misread the poll.😊
In other words I messed up your poll. Sorry!
 
Jimmy_B said:
Really, what do you base this on?
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I base it on the fact that, nowhere in the Bible do we see anyone born again as a result of membership in a religious organization.
What is your definition of, “Born Again” and how does one become “Born Again”? And… do you believe that Baptism required to be "Born Again?
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  1. Baptism is a response to being born again, not a means of becoming born again.
  2. One becomes born again by repenting, putting their faith in Christ and His atonement on the cross on their behalf, thus being crucified with Christ and raised again with Him, symbolized in the act of baptism.
  3. The phrase “born again” literally means “born from above.” Nicodemus had a real need. He needed a change of his heart–a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12,13 indicates that “born again” also carries the idea “to become children of God” through trust in the name of Jesus Christ.
The question logically comes, “Why does a person need to be born again?” The Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:1 says, “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins…” To the Romans in Romans 3:23, the Apostle wrote, “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” So, a person needs to be born again in order to have their sins forgiven and have a relationship with God.

How does that come to be? Ephesians 2:8,9 states, “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.” When one is “saved,” he/she has been born again, spiritually renewed, and is now a child of God by right of new birth. Trusting in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is what it means to be “born again” spiritually. “Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation…” (2 Corinthians 5:17a).

Peace 🙂
 
In Ireland at least hell doesn’t seem to be ever referred to in Catholic teaching…it has been phased out
 
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