Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

[Rocky]

Right. And I pointed out where the Bible says that our works are no good.

As usual, out of context. Read the whole passage. It’s talking about Old Covenant believers.

James 2:12-17 “Always speak and act as men destined for judgment under the law of freedom. Merciless is the judgment on the man who had not shown mercy; but mercy triumphs over judgment. My brothers, what good is it to profess faith without practicing it? Such faith has no power to save one, has it? If a brother or sister has nother to wear and no food for the day, and you say to them, ‘Goodbye and good luck! Keep warm and well fed,’ but do not meet their bodily needs, what good is that? So it is with the faith that does nothing in practice. It is thoroughly lifeless. To such a person one might say ‘You have faith and I have works—is that it?’ Show me your faith without works, and I will show you the faith that underlies my works!”

How can these words be to OT believers? the very first sentence shows that it is addressed to those whose judgment is “under the law of freedom.”

 

[wow]

James 2:12-17 “Always speak and act as men destined for judgment under the law of freedom. Merciless is the judgment on the man who had not shown mercy; but mercy triumphs over judgment. My brothers, what good is it to profess faith without practicing it? Such faith has no power to save one, has it? If a brother or sister has nother to wear and no food for the day, and you say to them, ‘Goodbye and good luck! Keep warm and well fed,’ but do not meet their bodily needs, what good is that? So it is with the faith that does nothing in practice. It is thoroughly lifeless. To such a person one might say ‘You have faith and I have works—is that it?’ Show me your faith without works, and I will show you the faith that underlies my works!”

How can these words be to OT believers? the very first sentence shows that it is addressed to those whose judgment is “under the law of freedom.”

Thank you Rocky…I’m off to Bible study and was running out of time to correct all he is pulling out of context.

 

[someotherguy]

How can these words be to OT believers? the very first sentence shows that it is addressed to those whose judgment is “under the law of freedom.”

Oh, I get it! You took a statement I made referring to one passage and applied it to another, unrelated passage in order to make it look like I was talking about that passage so you can come riding in and shoot down my answer. Boy, that’s pretty clever of you.

 

[someotherguy]

You say that about one passage. Please let me know your thoughts on all the passages I provided in post number 36. See below.

I responded to each one.

You pull away Rom 2:5 which plainly goes with Rom 2:6. The judgement of God will be all about our salvation.

No, I didn’t pull anything away. Even with v 5, it has nothing to do with works for salvation.

 

[wow]

Oh, I get it! You took a statement I made referring to one passage and applied it to another, unrelated passage in order to make it look like I was talking about that passage so you can come riding in and shoot down my answer. Boy, that’s pretty clever of you.

You quoted Jas 2:24 and posted " It’s talking about Old Covenant believers".

 

[Rocky]

Oh, I get it! You took a statement I made referring to one passage and applied it to another, unrelated passage in order to make it look like I was talking about that passage so you can come riding in and shoot down my answer. Boy, that’s pretty clever of you.

Did you not quote the Letter of James (2:24) when making your answer? Did you not exhort for us to read the whole passage and in context? So I gave you the context.

 

[someotherguy]

Did you not quote the Letter of James (2:24) when making your answer? Did you not exhort for us to read the whole passage and in context? So I gave you the context.

No, you quoted another passage from that chapter.

 

[Rocky]

Someotherguy–

Please tell me what you mean when you ask us to read something in context?

 

[someotherguy]

Someotherguy–

Please tell me what you mean when you ask us to read something in context?

You don’t even know what context means? C’mon, how can your church be the sole arbiter of doctrinal truth if you guys don’t even understand the most basic hermeneutic principles?

 

[Rocky]

Yes, I know what context means—I gave you an example, from the same Letter, same chapter, which you do not accept. What I am asking you is what does context mean to you?

 

[historyb]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

No, catholics might be though if they are not born again through Faith Alone through Christ Alone.

 

[someotherguy]

Yes, I know what context means—I gave you an example, from the same Letter, same chapter, which you do not accept.

You cited another passage.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Didn’t even bother to read what I said, did you?

Yes I did , what are you referring to?

Because the Roman Catholic church is teaching something that goes against the word of God.

What would that be?

You can’t please God…

Be careful…this is the kind of error that can cause someone to lose salvation. “To believe in Jesus”, means to worship, obey, honor, adore, love and respect Him and love and forgive our brothers and sisters, amoung many other things (See - The entire New Testament). We were created to please God, not the other way around. He is our God, we are not His God…

Be careful…God is watching and listening…The things your are posting here are in conflict with the Bible.

Peace

 

[Jimmy_B]

No, catholics might be though if they are not born again through Faith Alone through Christ Alone.

“Faith in Jesus Christ Alone”

Does this mean that we don’t need the Bible?

That would make it Jesus Christ + the Bible…right?

Does this mean that we don’t have to bother with Christian traditions like Marriage…That would be Jesus + the Bible + Holy Traditions…

Non-Catholic Christianity makes no sense…

Peace

 

[Rocky]

You cited another passage.

Well then, please cite the passage that proves the context that James 2:24 is written for Old Covenant believers and not to the Christian community who are “under the law of freedom.”

 

[historyb]

“Faith in Jesus Christ Alone”

Does this mean that we don’t need the Bible?

That would make it Jesus Christ + the Bible…right?

Does this mean that we don’t have to bother with Christian traditions like Marriage…That would be Jesus + the Bible + Holy Traditions…

Non-Catholic Christianity makes no sense…

Peace

We don’t secure our Salvation God does. Nothing else saves u, only through Christ.

 

[Gamera]

I am more afraid for Catholics who abandon the Catholic faith, than for non-Catholics who never adhered to the Catholic faith in the first place.

 

[hawkeye]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

Could be, “you would not enter, and forbid others to enter .”

 

[Jimmy_B]

We don’t secure our Salvation God does. Nothing else saves u, only through Christ.

Hello historyb,

First of all, I agree with you to a certain extant, in that, it is true that everything is by God’s will, including our salvation, so why do so many assume their Salvation is guaranteed? It is not up to them to decide, based on their own personal interpretation of the Bible, whether or not they have gained salvation; it is up to God…right?

Secondly, God created humans with free will…this includes the free will to rejected God and reject our salvation…right?

Short sound bites and fancy catch phrases are not going to get anybody into heaven.

Neither God nor the Bible can be summed-up by a handful of bible verses, or catch phrases, nor should they be… right?

Peace

 

[someotherguy]

Secondly, God created humans with free will…this includes the free will to rejected God and reject our salvation…right?

Precisely the problem with the Roman Catholic doctrine of infused righteousness. Once you understand that being born again means that you have a new nature, you can no more reject your salvation that a fish can reject being a fish.