Are Nudists Bad?

[Corinthians]

wcknight:

Personally, I think beautiful nudists should leave their clothes off, and conversely, I think ugly nudist should leave their clothes on

There should be a law against ugly people running around nude -anywhere.

Amen

 

[CreosMary]

ja3712:

Where I live, San Diego, has a few “nude” beaches where people go and take off their clothes and swin around. And I wonder if being a “nudist” is a sin or lustful. Adam and Eve didnt know they are nude until they commited the original sin, so maybe God meant to create us without us wearing clothes?

Excuse me but I am in a cheeky mood this morning. I would go (tho I have never been) onto a nudist beach and point and giggle at certain persons.
I think nudists are bad when they have really bad bodies, -he! he!
Try taking a camera down there fully dressed of course and get snappy -ha!
I suppose what I trying to say is they take thier nudism so seriously i would just make a mockery of it in good humour
God Bless

 

[bjorn]

maybe i am just not getting it but other than to ogle other nude people what is the point of going to a nude beach or resort? maybe someone out there who is a nudist could answer this for me. do you just feel somehow more comfortable when nude and if so does it feel somehow uncomfortable when you are wearing clothing?

 

[Fox]

I’m a naturist and a Catholic. Conster’s quote from the Pope sums up my feelings as well. All human bodies are beautiful no matter what shape. I think what helped me accept nudity is my living in Europe for a good amount of time in my formative early teen years. It is a coomon sight for them. It is not unnatural to see people getting naked and changing in parks, beaches, swimming pools etc. It is normal to them. You can be nude and be tasteful. You can be modest and naked. It all depends on how you carry oneself and why you are naked, is it for arousal? Just for kicks? These types of questions must be be asked.

I think the reason why the US has a latent fear of nudity and sexuallity in general is because of the early protestant philosophies (like puritanism) that came down through the founding of the nation and seeped into our culture as a whole. I also fear that is why the US suffers way more sexual crimes comparitively with European nations. I also had taken in account populations when forming this opinion. If the US would just loosen up and accept nudity, we’d as a nation would be better off.

This is the same for drinking, in Europe it is built into the fabric of its culture while the US taboos it, hence more problems for the youth of the US compared to that of European youth.

 

[WhiteDove]

I’ve been to Black’s Beach in San Diego, btw. I’ve heard it’s a big gay hang out. I noticed that the guys I saw there were , er, well endowed…

I did disrobe and sun bathe with my friend. It was okay, but I don’t think it’s really the greatest. I’m pretty modest by nature, but I figured ‘When in Rome’.

 

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Fox:

I’m a naturist and a Catholic. Conster’s quote from the Pope sums up my feelings as well. All human bodies are beautiful no matter what shape. I think what helped me accept nudity is my living in Europe for a good amount of time in my formative early teen years. It is a coomon sight for them. It is not unnatural to see people getting naked and changing in parks, beaches, swimming pools etc. It is normal to them. You can be nude and be tasteful. You can be modest and naked. It all depends on how you carry oneself and why you are naked, is it for arousal? Just for kicks? These types of questions must be be asked.

I think the reason why the US has a latent fear of nudity and sexuallity in general is because of the early protestant philosophies (like puritanism) that came down through the founding of the nation and seeped into our culture as a whole. I also fear that is why the US suffers way more sexual crimes comparitively with European nations. I also had taken in account populations when forming this opinion. If the US would just loosen up and accept nudity, we’d as a nation would be better off.

This is the same for drinking, in Europe it is built into the fabric of its culture while the US taboos it, hence more problems for the youth of the US compared to that of European youth.

You it have all wrong. The Pope does not support “nudism.” Nor, are people afraid of “nudism”. It is just that our Western civilization seems to teeter between pagan extremes. “Nudism” is not a virtue and in most cases would likely be a serious sin.

As for Europe, the Pope and the Vatican have said many things in recent months about the loss of Christian heritage that is taking place there. They are no role model for Christian living at this point.

 

[Shinobu]

Conster74:

I find your stereotyping interesting, a trifling annoying… and not at all odd.

It is the usual Puritan response to anything deemed “impure” – BAD, UGLY, PERVERTED, etc.

Why does everyone have to throw out the “You’re a puritan” card when they are trying to condone their innapropriate behaviour?

There is a time and place for everything. Having to bear a part of your body for the sake of your health during a doctors visit and strutting down the beach with everything hanging out is another. One is for the health and safety of the person, the other is for pleasure.

 

[WhiteDove]

LOL, Hey personally I AM the descendant of Puritans!!! The Root family arrived in 1636

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Shinobu:

Why does everyone have to throw out the “You’re a puritan” card when they are trying to condone their innapropriate behaviour?

There is a time and place for everything. Having to bear a part of your body for the sake of your health during a doctors visit and strutting down the beach with everything hanging out is another. One is for the health and safety of the person, the other is for pleasure.

Because they need to vilify those who would speak of virtue.

 

[WhiteDove]

Puritans may not have been perfect, but don’t ya go dissing my ancesters!!!

 

[Fox]

Like I said, if you know oneself then make your own personal choice. some people can’t handle nudity and go into lustful thoughts, they shouldn’t go to nude camps or be around nude people.

"“Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness. There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest… Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness. Immodesty is present only when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person… The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general. Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of a person.”

The Pope makes sense to me.

I never said Europe is a model of Christianity, I’m saying that sexual offenses and serious drinking problems are a whole lot less in Europe than the US comparitively, and I think it is because of the views of nudity and sexuality as a whole. I can go though as far as their Masses are more traditional than US ones. I firmly believe, as a whole, European Catholics are far more learned in the Faith then their US counterparts.

 

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Fox:

Like I said, if you know oneself then make your own personal choice. some people can’t handle nudity and go into lustful thoughts, they shouldn’t go to nude camps or be around nude people.

"“Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness. There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest… Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness. Immodesty is present only when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person… The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general. Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of a person.”

The Pope makes sense to me.

I never said Europe is a model of Christianity, I’m saying that sexual offenses and serious drinking problems are a whole lot less in Europe than the US comparitively, and I think it is because of the views of nudity and sexuality as a whole. I can go though as far as their Masses are more traditional than US ones. I firmly believe, as a whole, European Catholics are far more learned in the Faith then their US counterparts.

As felra already posted:

“There are circumstances in which nakedness is not immodest…”

…as in the sanctity of the marriage covenant. Now really, Pope John Paul II was not making the case for “nudism”, shame on you!

The Pope in no way endorses social “nudism”. The Church in no way endorses "nudism. In fact, just the opposite.

As for Europe. They are contracepting and aborting themselves out of existence and the USA is not far behind. Their views of sex are as pagan as America’s views. Neither are close to the Christian norm.

 

[Fox]

Read what the Pope had said, it doesn’t say only in marriage as Felra, this is a generalist statement. He is talking about nudity as a whole. I don’t say the Church supports nudity but it doesn’t condemn it either. You show me a writ or Papal Bull that condemns nudity.

 

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2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. **It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. **It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.

2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.

2527 "The Good News of Christ continually renews the life and culture of fallen man; it combats and removes the error and evil which flow from the ever-present attraction of sin. It never ceases to purify and elevate the morality of peoples. It takes the spiritual qualities and endowments of every age and nation, and with supernatural riches it causes them to blossom, as it were, from within; it fortifies, completes, and restores them in Christ."316
2532 Purification of the heart demands prayer, the practice of chastity, purity of intention and of vision.

2533 Purity of heart requires the modesty which is patience, decency, and discretion. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person.

 

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Fox:

Read what the Pope had said, it doesn’t say only in marriage as Felra, this is a generalist statement. He is talking about nudity as a whole. I don’t say the Church supports nudity but it doesn’t condemn it either. You show me a writ or Papal Bull that condemns nudity.

I have read it. Please post the quote and refernece that proves your point. The Pope does not approve of “nudism”.

 

[Fox]

"2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man."

and in Europe when they change out in the open or the like, seems to me they are modest, I mean they aren’t going around touching themselves to incur arousal in people. They aren’t being seductive.

If that is the case Fix then even same sex people shouldn’t shower or bath together because that might give you unhealthy curiousity. Heaven forbid if people see a breast feeding woman. what if you have to go to the bathroom and you have to go, are you going to soil yourself so you won’t be naked in public?

"2532 Purification of the heart demands prayer, the practice of chastity, purity of intention and of vision."

I pray daily, I am chaste in my vocation, and my nudity isn’t in my intention of turning people on…

I never been to a nudist camp but have gotten naked in public, for clothes changes. God has given this body to me and I’m not ashamed of it. My body in a beautiful creation of God and in itself good.

 

[fix]

"2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man."

and in Europe when they change out in the open or the like, seems to me they are modest, I mean they aren’t going around touching themselves to incur arousal in people. They aren’t being seductive.

Europe is nothing to idealize. There views on nudity and sex are hardly enlightened.

If that is the case Fix then even same sex people shouldn’t shower or bath together because that might give you unhealthy curiousity. Heaven forbid if people see a breast feeding woman. what if you have to go to the bathroom and you have to go, are you going to soil yourself so you won’t be naked in public?

Do you know what proportion is? Your extreme examples do not make your case.

I never been to a nudist camp but have gotten naked in public, for clothes changes. God has given this body to me and I’m not ashamed of it. My body in a beautiful creation of God and in itself good.

Again, a red herring. No one is saying one’s body is shameful. The concept of modesty seems lost on you. I wonder why?

 

[Fox]

“Do you know what proportion is? Your extreme examples do not make your case.”

It does, a quick change in public is just like a breast feeding woman nudity or having to go to the bathroom in the woods. Is there certain degrees of nudity now? Whats the difference now of a man’s chest and woman’s? Where do you say “Ok thats enough skin”?

Modesty is a gray area from full blown nakedness to not showing anything like what the Taliban made their women wear when they ruled Afghanistan. Modesty is all what a person perceives it to be based on its societies views of the time.

 

[Viajero]

Fox:

I never been to a nudist camp but have gotten naked in public, for clothes changes. God has given this body to me and I’m not ashamed of it. My body in a beautiful creation of God and in itself good.

Just curious, in an earlier post, you said you were a “naturist”. What exactly is that? I thought that it meant you sometimes went around in the nude, doing more than just changing clothes (like swimming or sunbathing). But it doesn’t sound like it from this post.

 

[Shinobu]

If you want to throw in other countries to justify things, why not throw in Japan, since they have a plethora of pornographic magazines at any young kids disposal. They are also accepting of lolicon, or manga that portrays young children (drawn images) in sexual acts.

Just because another society is open or accepting of certain sexual acts or ways does not make it correct, “enlightened” or anyone else a “prude” or “puritan”. I’m sorry but the US does not need a news channel where a woman disrobes while giving the evening news.

Another interesting bit of info, I was called a puritan before because I told a bunch of kids that drugs were a bad thing to get into and also against the law. Go figure

Edit: People also seem to equate modesty with shame. Modesty is not shame, rather it is quite the opposite, one has great respect for their body and does not wish to show it in an innapropriate or demeaning manner.