Are people born homosexual ?

[ProudCatholicAl]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

 

[Monkey1976]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

It is right to oppose gay “marriage”, and it is not bigotry - you’re acting in the best interests of people’s souls.

Yes, it’s horrible that people who exhibit same-sex attraction or are “transgender” are persecuted by society, but I place at least some of the blame on those who insist that these disorders are normal and not something that should be treated. People who could benefit from counseling and treatment are instead being shoved out into society with the insistence that everything is just fine.

I suffer from mild bipolar disorder. I call it what it is - a disorder. God made me as I am, and He called me to bear this cross. I have the option to give in to manic or depressive behavior, but is it a good thing for me to do? Using the measure of modern society’s views on homosexuality, yes. Never mind that it would leave me - at best - a suicidal homeless addict with multiple STDs whose soul is destined for hell; I was “born that way”, and anyone trying to get me to NOT act in accordance with my disorder is bigoted against bipolar people.

Same-sex attraction, “transgendered”, “bisexual” - these are all disorders, and those who suffer under their weight deserve our prayers, not persecution. But at the same time, it does them no service to claim that they’re just fine and they should do whatever their disorder tells them to do because they were “born that way”.

 

[Anthony86]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

It is right to oppose ‘gay’ ‘marriage’, it is not right to drive people with sexual disorders to suicide; it is nothing to make fun of. There’s a world of pastoral options between abandoning the traditional definition of marriage (a sacrament!) and making homosexual people’s lives a living hell. Love the sinner, hate the sin. I’m sure you and I wouldn’t want to be treated for all our sinful inclinations the way your classmate was.

Whether or not some people are born homosexual really doesn’t affect the question of marriage, in my humble opinion.

 

[sw85]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

Yes, it’s right to oppose gay “marriage.” No, it’s rightness has nothing to do with the subjective and fleeting feelings of sexually confused teenagers. No, it’s rightness has nothing to do with the etiology of “homosexuality,” a term that didn’t exist anywhere in the world until it was invented for medical purposes in the 19th century. Yes, we should probably speak the truth even though the world hates us for it. Yes, the world is wrong about this and many, many other things. etc.

 

[JillianRose]

It is right to oppose gay “marriage”, and it is not bigotry - you’re acting in the best interests of people’s souls.

Yes, it’s horrible that people who exhibit same-sex attraction or are “transgender” are persecuted by society, but I place at least some of the blame on those who insist that these disorders are normal and not something that should be treated. People who could benefit from counseling and treatment are instead being shoved out into society with the insistence that everything is just fine.

I suffer from mild bipolar disorder. I call it what it is - a disorder. God made me as I am, and He called me to bear this cross. I have the option to give in to manic or depressive behavior, but is it a good thing for me to do? Using the measure of modern society’s views on homosexuality, yes. Never mind that it would leave me - at best - a suicidal homeless addict with multiple STDs whose soul is destined for hell; I was “born that way”, and anyone trying to get me to NOT act in accordance with my disorder is bigoted against bipolar people.

Same-sex attraction, “transgendered”, “bisexual” - these are all disorders, and those who suffer under their weight deserve our prayers, not persecution. But at the same time, it does them no service to claim that they’re just fine and they should do whatever their disorder tells them to do because they were “born that way”.

Thank you so much!! I was trolling this thread and read your reponse. WHAT an intellegent way to put it!! I never thought of it that way!! Thank you for being wiser. I never know how to approach this subject. I suffer from Anxiety!!! If I gave it to that I would never leave the house or let my kids go out!! You ROCK!!

 

[mountee]

There are certain things that a person who wants to be Catholic has to believe and uphold. This is one of them, Catholics do not support gay marriage. Can a Catholic be a homosexual? Yes, in fact there are some studies which do in fact say a person is born with their sexual orientation. Certainly there are other studies which contradict this idea. But, whether or not they are born homosexual or choose to be homosexual they may remain completely in line with Church teachings by remaining celibate.

 

[Joe_5859]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

I don’t see the relation between your post and the question in the thread title.

Whether people are “born” homosexual or not is irrelevant to the morality of the act or the legitimacy of that type of “marriage”. Simply put, it doesn’t matter.

Of course, our hearts go out to those with the inclination and they absolutely must be treated with compassion, dignity, and respect. But that doesn’t mean we redefine marriage. Marriage is what it is. We cannot redefine it anymore than we can redefine the law of gravity.

 

[edwest2]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

Well, why do gay people want to get married? We don’t know if gay people are born with an inclination toward same-sex attraction. The secular media is giving us the 24/7 message that it’s OK, that’s it’s a right, and anybody who opposes it HATES gay people.

I don’t hate anyone. Sure, I get mad at people sometime.

Regarding the transgender kid you mention, NO ONE should be made fun of. And if you know he was considering suicide, you go to the principal or to his parents (if they don’t know). Sometimes, kids in this situation are afraid to tell their parents what they’re feeling. No one wants to see anybody who is talking about suicide - for any reason - not get help from family or friends, or trusted adults, like the school principal.

What is your idea of what bigotry means?

Peace,
Ed

 

[buffalo]

There is no homosexual gene.

Watch this to see the causes - Dr Nicolosi

There is much more here.

 

[mab23]

even if people are born homosexual it doesn’t make homosexual behavior good

some people are born with a disposition to be alchoholics , be depressed or other pathologie’s we don’t encourage them to exploit them

the big argument for Gay marriage is about 2 people loving each other which is not what legal marriage in the US is about - it is an incentive to keep parents together so their child can have there biological father and mother which when a child grows up with a father and a mother they do better in society than not.

also legal marriage is defined now to support orientation to procreation which will keep America steady in population

The gay rights movement does not want “equality”
** they want approval of their lifestyle and they want anyone who disagrees to be made out to be “hateful”** - if it was only about equal rights they would fight for the same rights as married couples but in civil unions

 

[aprilfloyd]

I don’t see the relation between your post and the question in the thread title.

Whether people are “born” homosexual or not is irrelevant to the morality of the act or the legitimacy of that type of “marriage”. Simply put, it doesn’t matter.

Of course, our hearts go out to those with the inclination and they absolutely must be treated with compassion, dignity, and respect. But that doesn’t mean we redefine marriage. Marriage is what it is. We cannot redefine it anymore than we can redefine the law of gravity.

With all due respect, we can redefine it, and in the UK homosexual marriage is to be made legal. I welcome the move

 

[aidanbradypop]

Today a lot states are pushing for gay marriage. Including mine Illinois.These days people who oppose gay marriage are considered bigots. But I feel bad when we tell them they can’t marry. In my school there was a transgender kid who ever one made fun of or was grossed out by. He/she basically came close to commiting sucide. Is it really right to oppose gay marriage ? Is it just bigotry?

We should love our neighbor. We do not have to agree with the way they are living. My brother is homosexual. I love him so very much and his partner is an amazing man. I love them both, but they know I disagree with how they are living. Christ told us to love one another as he loves us. We can love someone but do not have to accept how they live.

My heart hurts from the transgender person in your school. Show them love as Christ would. Be there for them in this troubling time. You can show compassion and understanding. You may be the only Christ that person ever meets.

Are people born homosexuals? Sure, but they are also asked to reframe from such acts. I had an addiction to porn and had to reframe from that act. People who are called to the single life and are still pure reframe from sex.

As I stated before, LOVE everyone but hate the sin they commit!

 

[buffalo]

With all due respect, we can redefine it, and in the UK homosexual marriage is to be made legal. I welcome the move

No - it cannot be really redefined. Man will always know what a real marriage is. This is another big fallacy.

 

[Anthony86]

With all due respect, we can redefine it, and in the UK homosexual marriage is to be made legal.

You can call a chicken a cat, but that has not changed the fact that they are two different species; it just obscures the fact. Calling a homosexual union ‘marriage’ does not change what marriage really is; it just obscures reality through a mangling of language. In the case of marriage, this is particularly troublesome because marriage is a divine institution, part of human nature through the order of creation, and raised to the level of a sacrament within Christianity. The push for homosexual pseudo-marriage obscures divine law.

 

[aprilfloyd]

You can call a chicken a cat, but that has not changed the fact that they are two different species; it just obscures the fact. Calling a homosexual union ‘marriage’ does not change what marriage really is; it just obscures reality through a mangling of language. In the case of marriage, this is particularly troublesome because marriage is a divine institution, part of human nature through the order of creation, and raised to the level of a sacrament within Christianity. The push for homosexual pseudo-marriage obscures divine law.

Homosexuals are not a different species marriage is a human institution and if we can agree it is a good thing we should open it up to everyone.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

It is right to oppose ‘gay’ ‘marriage’, it is not right to drive people with sexual disorders to suicide; it is nothing to make fun of. There’s a world of pastoral options between abandoning the traditional definition of marriage (a sacrament!) and making homosexual people’s lives a living hell.

…which IS happening today and make no mistake about it. There is hate among the faithful. There are those that view homosexuals as sub-human. Let’s not sugarcoat things. That’s the thing that is absolutely driving me nuts about these discussions, when opposing gay marriage becomes license to simply hate homosexuals because people think they are ‘icky’, lack of recognition that homosexuality is one sin among many. There needs to be MUCH more outreach for homosexuals and people need to get clear about these things.

Whether or not some people are born homosexual really doesn’t affect the question of marriage, in my humble opinion.

Agreed.

 

[manualman]

It really doesn’t matter if there is a genetic predisposition or not. There might be, but that doesn’t carry any deep implications by itself. After all, there are certain people with genetic predispositions towards alcohol abuse and darn few of us would encourage such a person to “Quit repressing who you are and just be yourself. Cheers!”

But we also don’t ostracize or intentionally humiliate those who struggle with other self destructive impulses like alcoholism. As a society, we’ve made very good strides towards being compassionate without enabling the behavior. But people pretend this can never happen with homosexual inclinations. Why?

As for “gay marriage” the argument for it is based largely on fairness, compassion and our virtuous sense of justice. But these should not be a substitute for reasoning. Think about it: why does the state get involved in marriage in the first place? (tax incentives, inheritance and property rights, legal benefits, etc) Is it because the state should be involved in all our feelings? NO! It is because our sane forefathers recognized that the institution of marriage is, by its very nature, one that is oriented towards the creation and raising of healthy, happy, educated and productive children. Nothing else in human history comes close in effectiveness.

But the relationship between two men simply is NOT oriented in that direction. By its very nature, theirs is an entirely different relationship. That relationship does not inherently contain any crucially beneficial outcomes for larger society. So the question then becomes “Why SHOULD the state give these perks to this totally different sort of relationship?” In an era when the state is bankrupt and western civilization is failing to have enough kids to replace itself (generation by generation), it is madness to even consider this. What we really need is to re-recognize the true value of marriage and the full nature of what marriage really is.

 

[Anthony86]

Homosexuals are not a different species marriage is a human institution and if we can agree it is a good thing we should open it up to everyone.

Let’s break this down for clarity’s sake.

Homosexuals are not a different species
I never said homosexuals are a different species; obviously they are not. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly misguided. My point was that homosexual union is not the same kind of institution as traditional marriage.

marriage is a human institution
Marriage is an institution which is rooted in human nature; it is human in that sense, but not in the sense that it is a human invention we can capriciously change at will without going against human nature. It is not an arbitrary rule like driving on the left or right side of the road, but a part of the natural law for human beings. Since natural law has God as legislator, marriage is in that sense also a divine institution and is part of God’s order for creation. Furthermore, Scripture and Tradition teach us that this institution was raised to a sacrament through Christ. All this means marriage is a very serious institution, which we cannot arbitrarily reconstruct without bringing our souls into grave peril.

if we can agree it is a good thing we should open it up to everyone
It is not true that the good of marriage is capable of being universalised to all couplings without destroying the institution itself. Some goods of marriage (such as fidelity) perhaps can be, but marriage as an institution ensuring children are raised in stable homes by their own mother and father is intrinsically incapable of being universalized to homosexual couples. By pretending it can be, we actually damage the institution because we disconnect marriage from procreation and family life, and thus marriage from sexuality. This spells moral chaos.

 

[buffalo]

Homosexuals are not a different species marriage is a human institution and if we can agree it is a good thing we should open it up to everyone.

Source?

So marriage should be open to animals too?

 

[buffalo]

…which IS happening today and make no mistake about it. There is hate among the faithful. There are those that view homosexuals as sub-human. Let’s not sugarcoat things. That’s the thing that is absolutely driving me nuts about these discussions, when opposing gay marriage becomes license to simply hate homosexuals because people think they are ‘icky’, lack of recognition that homosexuality is one sin among many. There needs to be MUCH more outreach for homosexuals and people need to get clear about these things.

Agreed.

Should we not hate evil? Which other sins are intrinsically evil?