Are pro-choicers worse than Holocaust deniers?

[vern_humphrey]

Other than the form, the book is 100% orthodox (or very nearly so, I haven’t actually counted). And the point was not that the distinctions don’t exist but that there’s no point in dwelling on them, that dwelling on them is actively harmful.

There is a name for not “dwelling on them.” You know what it is?

 

[BlaineTog]

There is a name for not “dwelling on them.” You know what it is?

Living?

 

[ribozyme]

And the aborted child? Does abortion respect the victims’ preferences?

They do not possess any preferences. For example, if one terminates the life of an embryo, it does not suffer (or have any interests) because it obviously hasn’t differentiated enough to form even a rudimentary nervous system.

Ah, but I know a school of thought where what you want is immaterial. And your suffering is not factored in.

Sounds cryptic to me. Care to reveal it or you want that remark to remain enigmatic?

 

[BlaineTog]

They do not possess any preferences. For example, if one terminates the life of an embryo, it does not suffer (or have any interests) because it obviously hasn’t differentiated enough to form even a rudimentary nervous system.

If you kill someone in their sleep, they don’t suffer either. Does that make it ok?

 

[po18guy]

So are people such as Peter Singer worse than Holocaust deniers? I found it offensive that Peter Singer was compared to a Holocaust denier.

Singer openly advocates the killing of “defective” infants in the first few weeks of life. This thinking will lead to his own execution once he has aged.

 

[ribozyme]

If you kill someone in their sleep, they don’t suffer either. Does that make it ok?

No because the person who sleeps has the capacity to see themselves as an entity with a past, present, and future if they were awake.

 

[vern_humphrey]

No because the person who sleeps has the capacity to see themselves as an entity with a past, present, and future if they were awake.

But if you kill them in their sleep, they won’t awake, now will they?

 

[BlaineTog]

No because the person who sleeps has the capacity to see themselves as an entity with a past, present, and future if they were awake.

But they aren’t awake, and they will feel no pain. That was your justification: that it isn’t painful. There may be other reasons, but that’s not the reason you gave, nor is it the reason I’m objecting to.

 

[vern_humphrey]

But they aren’t awake, and they will feel no pain. That was your justification: that it isn’t painful. There may be other reasons, but that’s not the reason you gave, nor is it the reason I’m objecting to.

If we’re going to adopt utlitarianism, then the first questions we should ask are, “What do people like Sanger and his followers contribute to society? What good are they?”

And the answer to that is, no good at all. They contribute nothing.

They should think about that before they start pushing for a test they cannot pass.

 

[ribozyme]

If we’re going to adopt utlitarianism, then the first questions we should ask are, “What do people like Sanger and his followers contribute to society? What good are they?”

And the answer to that is, no good at all. They contribute nothing.

They should think about that before they start pushing for a test they cannot pass.

Well, Sanger most certainly contributed to society. He pioneered the first means to sequence DNA using dideoxyribonucleic acid triphosphates (as chain terminators) along with the standard dNTPs and DNA polymerase etc., and sequenced their length using PAGE. He also made other accomplishments. We also give him two Nobel Prizes.

But, I guess you aren’t referring to Margaret Sanger because you used the wrong pronoun.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Well, Sanger most certainly contributed to society. He pioneered the first means to sequence DNA using dideoxyribonucleic acid triphosphates (as chain terminators) along with the standard dNTPs along with other accomplishments.

But what has he done lately?

And what have you done?

We also give him two Nobel Prizes.

I can name other people who got Nobel Prizes.

And by the way, who is “we” that gave him the Nobel Prize?

 

[ribozyme]

But what has he done lately?

And what have you done?

I can name other people who got Nobel Prizes.

And by the way, who is “we” that gave him the Nobel Prize?

Society appreciated his accomplishments and he was appropriatedly awarded a Nobel.

 

[estesbob]

Society appreciated his accomplishments and he was appropriatedly awarded a Nobel.

The onlyn thing one needs to know to realize how worhtless the Nobel prize is is that Arafat got one and Reagn did not.

It is purely political even to thepoint of giving the peace prize to a woman based on autobiography she wrote that turned out to be fiction

 

[vern_humphrey]

Society appreciated his accomplishments and he was appropriatedly awarded a Nobel.

“Society” does not award the Nobel Prize.

And the Nobel Committee has made many inappropriate awards – to the point where the prize is so politicized and de-valued that it is more in the order of a disgrace than an honor to receive it.

And what have **you **done to justify your existence?

 

[ribozyme]

“Society” does not award the Nobel Prize.

And the Nobel Committee has made many inappropriate awards – to the point where the prize is so politicized and de-valued that it is more in the order of a disgrace than an honor to receive it.

And what have **you **done to justify your existence?

I know… I know… but he should be appreciated by “society” for his accomplishments.

Do you think Frederick Sanger deserved his 1980 Nobel Prize?

Could you tell me how Peter Singer wants to kill people who allegedly don’t contribute to society. Animals do not contribute to society in any appreciable way, but Peter Singer still believes we should protect them from factory farming.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I know… I know… but he should be appreciated by “society” for his accomplishments.

Do you think Frederick Sanger deserved his 1980 Nobel Prize?

Could you tell me how Peter Singer wants to kill people who allegedly don’t contribute to society. Animals do not contribute to society in any appreciable way, but Peter Singer still believes we should protect them from factory farming.

You were the one who brought up utilitarianism.

Now, if you can’t contribute, why would it be wrong for us to give you an anesthetic and remove you from this world?

 

[ribozyme]

You were the one who brought up utilitarianism.

Now, if you can’t contribute, why would it be wrong for us to give you an anesthetic and remove you from this world?

Show me* anything *from Peter Singer where he promotes doing that. But he would argue that if one doesn’t want that to happen, we should respect their interests.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Anyone here read “The Screwtape Letters” by C.S. Lewis? It’s a series of tips from Screwtape, a senior demon, to Wormtongue, a newbie demon working on his first human. One of the tips Screwtape gives is to keep the human focused on whether one evil is worse than another evil. The knowledge is not very useful for salvation, but it does draw the mind into sinful modes of thought and saps the charity right out of it.

It’s Wormwood.

 

[estesbob]

It’s Wormwood.

I beleive . Wormtongue was in LOTR. Perhaps they were related?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Sounds cryptic to me. Care to reveal it or you want that remark to remain enigmatic?

Sounds like Republicanism: an ideology that teaches that human life is sacred from conception to birth and diagnosis to painful death; otherwise, acquisition of power and material goods trumps all.