Are relics Biblical?

  • Thread starter Thread starter MarcoPolo
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
gookykookypig said:
Are you spirit-led, Mr. Tomster? I was also thinking of Gnosticism in these last minutes. Yes, I was about to type that Protestants must not advocate the early Christian gnosticism that view matter as evil, so not to inherit God’s channeling in them.

Keep up your clairvoyance, sir. Or maybe, are we just one in mind and spirit in thinking of the same topic? Credo in sanctorum communionem.
Click to expand...
Or maybe we are just a couple of orthodox Roman Catholics? 👍
 
Cluny said:
The Ark of the Covenant was basically a reliquary.
Click to expand...
Where dose the Bible say that we are to use relics today? If the Bible is silent on this subject we must be too or else have do we know we are pleasing to God by having them. I am refering to religious thing not secular here.

How do relics show us the Holiness of God? I thought that was one of the main things that only the Bible can do for us.
 
DLClark said:
Where dose the Bible say that we are to use relics today? If the Bible is silent on this subject we must be too or else have do we know we are pleasing to God by having them. I am refering to religious thing not secular here.

How do relics show us the Holiness of God? I thought that was one of the main things that only the Bible can do for us.
Click to expand...
“Precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of his saints.” (Psalm 116:15) The early Church Fathers knew this truth well. Since they knew that the body of a Christian is the “temple of the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 6:19), they were especially concerned with showing the respect, even veneration, for the relics of the martyrs, and they, the early Church Fathers, testify that this was the authentic tradition in the ancient Church.

There is no reason to stop the practice now.
 
DLClark said:
Where dose the Bible say that we are to use relics today? If the Bible is silent on this subject we must be too or else have do we know we are pleasing to God by having them. I am refering to religious thing not secular here.

How do relics show us the Holiness of God? I thought that was one of the main things that only the Bible can do for us.
Click to expand...
Holiness or sanctity is the second characteristic of the true Church. It is an endowment or distinguishing mark which the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed attributes to the Church which stems from its intimate nature. If, indeed, the Church is “the union, in social form, of Christ with man,” it must be holy, like all that is in contact with God.

The Bible represents sanctity as a characteristic attribute of the Church: "Christ also loved the Church, and delivered himself up for it: That he might sanctify it . . . [and] present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; . . . [that] it should be holy, and without blemish.
 
Tomster said:
“Precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of his saints.” (Psalm 116:15) The early Church Fathers knew this truth well. Since they knew that the body of a Christian is the “temple of the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 6:19), they were especially concerned with showing the respect, even veneration, for the relics of the martyrs, and they, the early Church Fathers, testify that this was the authentic tradition in the ancient Church.

There is no reason to stop the practice now.
Click to expand...
Church Fathers are not our authority. The Bible is. They sometime followed the Word of God and sometimes did not. History does not tell us what is right or wrong. We need the Bible for that. Q. Where in the Bible does it say we are to use or keep relics to worship God or that they show the us the Holiness of Christ?
 
DLClark said:
Church Fathers are not our authority. The Bible is. They sometime followed the Word of God and sometimes did not. History does not tell us what is right or wrong. We need the Bible for that. Q. Where in the Bible does it say we are to use or keep relics to worship God or that they show the us the Holiness of Christ?
Click to expand...
:whistle:, the Church Fathers preserved and pointed unto us the books that has to be included in our Biblical canon that we have now presently.

Why would then Moses and Arron keep the flowering staff, the tablets and the manna in the ark of the covenant if they aren’t significant?

Plus, is Catholic worship not valid without any relic?We are touching only the relic issue, but it seems that u made it touch the worship of God, too. Catholic worship doesn’t always include relics, if you have the eyes to see it and the mind to think about it. Don’t be too fundamental bro. The Bible isn’t.
 
DLClark said:
Church Fathers are not our authority. The Bible is. They sometime followed the Word of God and sometimes did not. History does not tell us what is right or wrong. We need the Bible for that. Q. Where in the Bible does it say we are to use or keep relics to worship God or that they show the us the Holiness of Christ?
Click to expand...
Are you aware that the Church came before the Bible, historically speaking. Tell me how did the Church function without the New Testament before the Church finally canonized which books were to be accepted as New Testament writings. The Church decided what was to be in the New Testament over 300 years AFTER Christ’s Ascension into heaven.

btw - many of the early Church Fathers lived in the very same nascent Church as the Apostles lived in. Their testimony, their very witness, has been scrutinized by the Church and found to be reliable.

If the Church can tell us what is supposed to be in the New Testament, I’ll take the Church’s word on what it has to say regarding the Church Fathers.
 
DLClark said:
"What is the purpose of relics? Why do we need them today?
I used 2 Peter 1:16-21 to show that we do not need relics today because we have the Bible. I never relics were evil so please don’t add words to what I said. All I want is a passage from the Bible that says that elics are useful today.
Click to expand...
You posted them yourself.
Apparently,IMNSHO, you need to slow down in your reading of the Bible, and consider what it says. As opposed to:rolleyes: what somebody told you it says. (See post below!!)
gookykookypig said:
Yes, exactly. God’s power can really work through matter. He even raised a dead man to life through the bones of prophet Elisha:

"As they were burying a man, behold, they saw a
marauding band; and they cast the man into the
grave of Elisha. And when the man touched the
bones of Elisha he revived and stood up on his feet.
(2 Kings 13:21, emphasis mine)
Click to expand...
👍👍
DLClark said:
Church Fathers are not our authority. The Bible is. They sometime followed the Word of God and sometimes did not. History does not tell us what is right or wrong. We need the Bible for that. Q. Where in the Bible does it say we are to use or keep relics to worship God or that they show the us the Holiness of Christ?
Click to expand...
Ummmm…and the Bible came from where???
Believe it or not, it did NOT fall on King James’s head as he was strolling through the palace gardens with his (ahem, cough, cough):eek::eek::eek: boyfriend.
Sheesh.

[SIGN1]Note from a;) cranky old lady:
If all the time people spend on concocting anti-Catholic 3-day-old carp were spent in prayer, they could change the world.
respectfully,
Cranky Old Methodist Lady[/SIGN1]
 
MarcoPolo said:
Taken from another thread where it was getting off topic.The above poster defended John MacArthur’s condemnation of relics by arguing that the passages above do not confirm or deny the goodness of relics. Neither MacArthur nor the above poster provided Scripture condemning this concept. The above poster argued that we are not told if the action of bringing these relics to the sick were “right or wrong.” But what does Acts 19:12 say? It says that the delivery of Paul’s relics defeated “evil spirits.” The above poster is arguing that evil was used to defeat evil, a concept specifically condemned by Christ.

It is also worth noting the above poster said that the continuation of what we see in the Old and New Testaments to bring about healing and cast out evil is a “pagan idea.”

Other responses welcome.
Click to expand...
Who is this poster, or even Mr. MacArthur, anyway, and what is their authority to make such pronouncements? It makes as much sense to say that, for example, po18guy is in accord with Church teaching on relics, and states that their use can be beneficial. I have exactly as much authority to teach any doctrine as they do - none. I can only repeat what the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, has decided.

This is a symptom of the blindness caused by sola scriptura. It replaces the guidance of the Holy Spirit with the guidance of the wholly self.
 
DLClark said:
John 10:27-29?
Click to expand...
Can you please show us where, in those verses from the Scripture the word “Bible” is even mentioned, or how it refers to the Bible at all?

“My sheep hear my voice; I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.” (NAB)

If you are trying to prooftext something here, you have picked a text that is not even remotely related to your claim. I don’t get it.:confused:
 
Tomster said:
Are you aware that the Church came before the Bible, historically speaking. Tell me how did the Church function without the New Testament before the Church finally canonized which books were to be accepted as New Testament writings. The Church decided what was to be in the New Testament over 300 years AFTER Christ’s Ascension into heaven.
Click to expand...
The Church functioned better in her first 400 years without a bible than in the 400 years post-reformation, when bible only was introduced. The pre-bible church was far more unified. There were not 30,000+ denominations, all disagreeing with one another.

The Holy Spirit unites.
The demon divides.
 
Originally Posted by DLClark
Church Fathers are not our authority. The Bible is.
Click to expand...
Originally Posted by Wildgraywolf
Why?
Click to expand...
Originally Posted by DLClark
Why? Because that is what the Bible says.
Click to expand...
Originally Posted by Wildgraywolf
Where does the Bible say that?
Click to expand...
DLClark said:
John 10:27-29?
Click to expand...
John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Father’s hand.

:confused:
 
It is essential to remember that the Bible is self-authenticating since its books were breathed out by God (2 Tim. 3:16). In other words, the books were canonical the moment they were written.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top