Are speaking in other tongues at every Catholic mass

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I have no idea what the question in the thread topic is supposed to mean. Could you re-word it or explain it?
 
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I have no idea what the question in the thread topic is supposed to mean. Could you re-word it or explain it?
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‘‘Hisalone’’ wants to know if Catholics speak in tongues at every Mass like we see in Pentecostal Protestant (among other) services.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
Because the Mass is a prayer in unity, it would be inappropriate to disrupt those praying in unity with one’s individual prayer in another tongue.
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Acts 2:4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

Acts10:46 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

1 Cor 12:7-11, A spiritual gift is given to each of us as a means of** helping the entire church**. {8} To one person the Spirit gives the ability to give wise advice; to another he gives the gift of special knowledge. {9} The Spirit gives special faith to another, and to someone else he gives the power to heal the sick. {10} He gives one person the power to perform miracles, and to another the ability to prophesy. He gives someone else the ability to know whether it is really the Spirit of God or another spirit that is speaking. Still another person is given the ability to speak in unknown languages, and another is given the ability to interpret what is being said. {11} It is the one and only Holy Spirit who distributes these gifts. He alone decides which gift each person should have.
 
The “gift of tongues” described in Acts meant that the Apostles could preach in languages they didn’t know, and this helped spread Christianity. I don’t see how it is helpful to just randomly blather nonsense, which is what goes on in Pentecostal churches. To me it almost seems narcissistic: “Look at me, look at me! I got the gifts of the Holy Spirit!”
 
I Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter let him keep silence in the church and let him speak to himself and to God.
 
Hisalone said:
Acts 2:4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.
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That was not during mass. Irrelevant to your question.
Acts10:46 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.
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That took place at the home of Cornelius when Peter was preaching the gospel to them prior to their baptism. It was not during a mass. Irrelevant to your question.

Context…context…context.

Why don’t evangelicals read scripture in context?

Paul
 
1Cor 14:26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize what I am saying. When you meet, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in an unknown language, while another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must be useful to all and build them up in the Lord. {27} No more than two or three should speak in an unknown language. They must speak one at a time, and someone must be ready to interpret what they are saying. {28} But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately. {29} Let two or three prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said. {30} But if someone is prophesying and another person receives a revelation from the Lord, the one who is speaking must stop. {31} In this way, all who prophesy will have a turn to speak, one after the other, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged. {32} Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can wait their turn. {33} For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the other churches….{39} So, dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues. {40} But be sure that everything is done properly and in order.
 
Okay, now we’re in context. Attend a charismatic Catholic mass and you will see plenty of speaking in tongues.

What you will not see in the Catholic Church (or in the bible) is a requirement to speak in tongues to prove that you are saved. That requirement seen in pentecostal communities is a man-made system of oppression. Pentecostals feel pressured, and often pretend, to speak in tongues in order to gain acceptance among their fellows as one of the “saved”.
 
You cited these verses:
one will speak in an unknown language, while another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must be useful to all and build them up in the Lord. {27} No more than two or three should speak in an unknown language. They must speak one at a time, and someone must be ready to interpret what they are saying. {28} But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately.{32} Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can wait their turn. {33} For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the other churches….
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What then of the “holy spirit churches” where all the people jump around and scream and babble and shake and crawl and writhe on the floor in complete chaos? It looks like demonic possession. Is that what you think St. Paul describes in 1Cor 14?
 
PaulDupre said:
You cited these verses:

What then of the “holy spirit churches” where all the people jump around and scream and babble and shake and crawl and writhe on the floor in complete chaos? It looks like demonic possession. Is that what you think St. Paul describes in 1Cor 14?
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Your impression of this stuff is so interesting.

You know what I’ve always thunk about it? I think the sort of expressive worship that sprang up in the American South (the holiness/“holy ghost filled” denominations) was a borrowing from West African traditions. If you look a Santeria (a West African/Catholic hybrid popular in the Caribbean) you see the same type of thing.
 
I agree that’s where it came from. My point is that it is not a following of scripture.

Paul
 
I don’t believe half the people who actually are gifted to speak in tongues. Sorry, but I can’t believe this. If I ever had the gift of speaking in tongues, I’d run to a seminary and give up my life for God.
 
Hisalone said:
1Cor 14:26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize what I am saying. (SNIP) one will speak in an unknown language, while another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must be useful to all and build them up in the Lord. {27} No more than two or three should speak in an unknown language. They must speak one at a time, and someone must be ready to interpret what they are saying. {28} But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately. {29} (SNIP) {40} But be sure that everything is done properly and in order.
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So, to sum up:
  1. For each person speaking in tongues, there must be someone to translate what is said- someone apart from the speaker.
  2. No more than 2-3 should speak in tongues during the Mass or the prayer service or whatever.
  3. They must take turns speaking.
  4. If no one can interpret, there is to be no speaking in tongues. You have to be quiet and speak to God in tongues when it’s just the two of you.
  5. What is said and translated must be useful to ALL (all present? all the baptized faithful?).
  6. Order and protocol are to be followed, EVEN IF ALL THE ABOVE CONDITIONS ARE MET.
I’ve yet to see anything like that when dealing with speaking in tongues. Ever.
 
Hisalone said:
1Cor 14:26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize what I am saying. When you meet, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in an unknown language, while another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must be useful to all and build them up in the Lord. {27} No more than two or three should speak in an unknown language. They must speak one at a time, and someone must be ready to interpret what they are saying. {28} But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately. {29} Let two or three prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said. {30} But if someone is prophesying and another person receives a revelation from the Lord, the one who is speaking must stop. {31} In this way, all who prophesy will have a turn to speak, one after the other, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged. {32} Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can wait their turn. {33} For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the other churches….{39} So, dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues. {40} But be sure that everything is done properly and in order.
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You skipped a couple of verses. How interesting. Let’s see what you skipped.

1 Cor 14:33b-35 As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

When was the last time you saw or heard tongue-speakers who, while waving verses 26 and 39 at you, kept the women silent? Seems to me that women are the most vocal of all mysterious-tongue speakers. Very selective those verse-wavers, picking the verses that justify their position while ignoring the verses between them.

And don’t even get me started on the subject of singing in tongues. Catholic Charismatics seem to be perfectly content with singing or speaking “tongues”, but the Pentecostals I’ve met give a tongue-singer strange looks and step away in the other direction.
 
Hisalone said:
1Cor 14:26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize what I am saying. When you meet, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in an unknown language, while another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must be useful to all and build them up in the Lord. {27} No more than two or three should speak in an unknown language. They must speak one at a time, and someone must be ready to interpret what they are saying. {28} But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately. {29} Let two or three prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said. {30} But if someone is prophesying and another person receives a revelation from the Lord, the one who is speaking must stop. {31} In this way, all who prophesy will have a turn to speak, one after the other, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged. {32} Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can wait their turn. {33} For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the other churches….{39} So, dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues. {40} But be sure that everything is done properly and in order.
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So now can you tell me how the following displays of anarchy have anything to do with the above passage?

youtube.com/watch?v=whpHwKlM_8M

youtube.com/watch?v=K-1AVQLlJYE
 
Righteousone said:
I don’t believe half the people who actually are gifted to speak in tongues. Sorry, but I can’t believe this. If I ever had the gift of speaking in tongues, I’d run to a seminary and give up my life for God.
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Why don’t you do it anyway?
 
Cari said:
So, to sum up:
  1. For each person speaking in tongues, there must be someone to translate what is said- someone apart from the speaker.
  2. No more than 2-3 should speak in tongues during the Mass or the prayer service or whatever.
  3. They must take turns speaking.
  4. If no one can interpret, there is to be no speaking in tongues. You have to be quiet and speak to God in tongues when it’s just the two of you.
  5. What is said and translated must be useful to ALL (all present? all the baptized faithful?).
  6. Order and protocol are to be followed, EVEN IF ALL THE ABOVE CONDITIONS ARE MET.
I’ve yet to see anything like that when dealing with speaking in tongues. Ever.
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True. What we see in these tongue-speaking services is called hysterical catharsis. Period. Entertaining, but not biblical.
 
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