Are the Star Wars drones conscious?

[LVCIVS_DEI]

And quite simply it’s not that some external thing absorbs you in this situation. Your substance came from God (as in it is of God’s substance, not created from nothing) and returns to God. It’s like the portion that made you was a portion of God that was on vacation but then went home. It’s not some external devouring beast or an atheistic world.

That’s not to say I believe in such a thing, but it’s not nihilism.

The result is the same.

You are gone.

There is no afterlife, you are just gone, and nothing you did or believed will have mattered.

 

[tomarin]

All my machines work better when I’m nicer to them.

I don’t think they are sentient, but I suspect they have some sort of ch’i.

I am very fond of, and grateful to, my electric toothbrush. I would almost go so far as to consider him a friend.

 

[Wesrock]

Midi-chlorians

The force is just created by Midi-chlorians.

THAT WILL NEVER BE CANON ARGAGAGAHHHHHHHHAHHHHH

The Force isn’t said to be created by midichlorians, it’s just said that the symbiotic relationship between life forms and midichlorians creates Force sensitivity in those life forms, goimg so far as to give them enough sense of it to manipulate it in some cases.

 

[Wesrock]

The result is the same.

You are gone.

There is no afterlife, you are just gone, and nothing you did or believed will have mattered.

No, you return to your origin as part of a greater being.

I don’t really want to defend pantheism per se, here, I just think you’re going about this wrong.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

THAT WILL NEVER BE CANON ARGAGAGAHHHHHHHHAHHHHH

The Force isn’t said to be created by midichlorians, it’s just said that the symbiotic relationship between life forms and midichlorians creates Force sensitivity in those life forms, goimg so far as to give them enough sense of it to manipulate it in some cases.

Hmmm, its still spiritual social Darwinism…

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

No, you return to your origin as part of a greater being.

I don’t really want to defend pantheism per se, here, I just think you’re going about this wrong.

You are forced to become a part of something/one else, and you are robbed of your individuality, so how on earth is that different from being eaten?

 

[tomarin]

No, you return to your origin as part of a greater being.

I don’t really want to defend pantheism per se, here, I just think you’re going about this wrong.

Paging Samuel Taylor Coleridge …

Pantheism was a big deal among European and American intellectuals in the late 17th/early 18th centuries, and they don’t sound so much nihilistic as blissed out on alternative spirituality, the forerunners of hippies.

 

[tomarin]

You are forced to become a part of something/one else, and you are robbed of your individuality, so how on earth is that different from being eaten?

Because you’re returning to your spiritual essence along with all other life. I also don’t want to be an apologist for pantheism, but it’s hard for me to see it as nihilistic, because (as I said) it’s a theism.

 

[TechieGuy]

THAT WILL NEVER BE CANON ARGAGAGAHHHHHHHHAHHHHH

The Force isn’t said to be created by midichlorians, it’s just said that the symbiotic relationship between life forms and midichlorians creates Force sensitivity in those life forms, goimg so far as to give them enough sense of it to manipulate it in some cases.

And Han Shot First!!!111!!!11!

 

[Wesrock]

You are forced to become a part of something/one else, and you are robbed of your individuality, so how on earth is that different from being eaten?

Because you are absorbed back into what you were, are, and will be. You are never truly something entirely individual in the first place in pantheism. You were always a part of God. It’s like rain returning to the ocean.

shrugs

I’m going to try to stop here. We’re well off topic.

 

[Wesrock]

And Han Shot First!!!111!!!11!

YES.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

Because you’re returning to your spiritual essence along with all other life. I also don’t want to be an apologist for pantheism, but it’s hard for me to see it as nihilistic, because (as I said) it’s a theism.

Why does that matter if you lose your individuality?

What if you do not want to?

I am so glad iam not a Buddhist…

 

[xNoOnex]

But there is no afterlife, you are just gone.

And nothing you did or believed will have mattered, innocent children massacred by brutal beats are just gone, so there is no morality, justice, kindness, charity, or love.

Just a cold dark oblivion, except for a chosen few, who manipulate the rest into doing their bidding, only caring about their own eternal existence.

Cold, dark, heartless, indifference.

Is that not nihilistic?

Its my definition of evil regardless.

This view of the force was actually professed by a character in the the Star Wars universe; Darth Traya, from the second Knights of the Old Republic game. She saw the force as something dark and insidious . cold and unforgiving, that manipulated and caused billions of deaths across the galaxy.

Her entire goal, for a lack of the better term, was to kill the Force.

The irony, was she was actually far more nihilistic than she claimed the Force was.

 

[LVCIVS_DEI]

This view of the force was actually professed by a character in the the Star Wars universe; Darth Traya, from the second Knights of the Old Republic game. She saw the force as something dark and insidious . cold and unforgiving, that manipulated and caused billions of deaths across the galaxy.

Her entire goal, for a lack of the better term, was to kill the Force.

The irony, was she was actually far more nihilistic than she claimed the Force was.

Dark irony indeed.

But it is what i mean.

 

[phil19034]

My understanding of Star Wars canon is that droids were programed to simulate emotions in order to better interact with Humans and other living beings.

They are also programmed with a sense of survival, unless they are protecting a living life form (which is why in Episode 1, the astromechs – R2-D2 and other like him, barely flinched when fixing Padme’s ship)

But they also learn, and can utilize information from previous experiences, which is why most astromechs and other droids routinely have their memories wiped. It’s also why Padme, Anakin Skywalker, Bail Organa, Luke Skywalker, & Princess Leia never wiped R2-D2’s memory. That’s also why R2 become a little eccentric.

Also, in Return of the Jedi, Jabba’s people were not torturing droids. They were branding them and destroying them. However, since his crew were evil, it’s possible that they were practicing torturous techniques on the droids in preparation for living people or out of pure boredom.

Anyway… the droids do not experience pain (if they did C3PO would have experienced pain many times), but they do react to things that damage them out of their programing to protect themselves when possible (though they are also programed to sacrifice themselves if needed to save lives)

NOTE: battle droids lack the programing to protect life. They are programed to simply follow orders.

So – no, Star Wars does NOT have living droids. There is nothing in Star Wars like “Data” or “The Doctor” in Star Trek.

 

[tomarin]

My understanding of Star Wars canon is that droids were programed to simulate emotions in order to better interact with Humans and other living beings.

They are also programmed with a sense of survival, unless they are protecting a living life form (which is why in Episode 1, the astromechs – R2-D2 and other like him, barely flinched when fixing Padme’s ship)

But they also learn, and can utilize information from previous experiences, which is why most astromechs and other droids routinely have their memories wiped. It’s also why Padme, Anakin Skywalker, Bail Organa, Luke Skywalker, & Princess Leia never wiped R2-D2’s memory. That’s also why R2 become a little eccentric.

Also, in Return of the Jedi, Jabba’s people were not torturing droids. They were branding them and destroying them. However, since his crew were evil, it’s possible that they were practicing torturous techniques on the droids in preparation for living people or out of pure boredom.

Anyway… the droids do not experience pain (if they did C3PO would have experienced pain many times), but they do react to things that damage them out of their programing to protect themselves when possible (though they are also programed to sacrifice themselves if needed to save lives)

NOTE: battle droids lack the programing to protect life. They are programed to simply follow orders.

So – no, Star Wars does NOT have living droids. There is nothing in Star Wars like “Data” or “The Doctor” in Star Trek.

That’s a good and thorough explanation. Thank you very much.

 

[TechieGuy]

Okay guys, stop whatever you are doing and watch all of these.

I’m serious…

youtube.com/watch?v=NYD3QtyEGGM

 

[exnihilo]

Okay guys, stop whatever you are doing and watch all of these.

I’m serious…

youtube.com/watch?v=NYD3QtyEGGM

That is good.

My favorite Star Wars mashup, especially as a Magnum P.I. fan, is Han Solo P.I…

youtube.com/watch?v=rYntjR4-pY4

There’s a side by side comparison too which is funny.

 

[phil19034]

Midi-chlorians

The force is just created by Midi-chlorians.

No. The force is not created by the midichlorians. High levels of midichlorians in the cells are simply what allows living beings to manipulate the force.

But the force is created by life, per Yoda.