Are their any Islamic women on this forum?

[Hospitaller]

meedo:

Please dont equate my religion with rape. It happens all over.

Religiously-inspired-and-excused rape happens all over?

meedo:

You judge a faith by what it preaches and not what its followers do

I prefer to employ both criteria.

meedo:

If we judge christianity by christians then its really over !!

Go on and try, I dare you.

 

[Faith101]

Believe it, old boy:

aftenposten.no/english/local/article475448.ece

THAT is your proof?? Did you even READ the article??

Note the use of the word “Muslim” in the above quoted sentence.

It seems to be accepted that non-Muslim women are outside of the rules.

Muslim men have to lower their gaze. It doesnt matter if its a muslim woman, or a christian woman or a atheist woman.

They can not even LOOK and stare at women, let alone have any kind of physical contact with them.

The Virgin Mary is also the Immaculate Conception (sinless), and clearly a unique case.

To look at the issue from another point of view, no one that I’ve heard of has ever suggested that Catholic men clothe themselves as Christ did, a mode of dress that really, came into being because it was practical for the climate. Temperate Europe and North America are quite a different matter

The idea is…if Mary (may God be pleased with her) was here, she would appear to look more like a MUSLIM woman than a Christian woman. She might even be called a “terrorist” and told to “go back to her country” on the street. May Allah guide and forgive people for their ignorance.

 

[Hospitaller]

Faith101:

THAT is your proof?? Did you even READ the article??

Yes. Did you?

Faith101:

Muslim men have to lower their gaze. It doesnt matter if its a muslim woman, or a christian woman or a atheist woman.

Not under all circumstances, it seems.

Faith101:

They can not even LOOK and stare at women, let alone have any kind of physical contact with them.

Ah, but do they follow those rules?

Faith101:

The idea is…if Mary (may God be pleased with her) was here, she would appear to look more like a MUSLIM woman than a Christian woman. She might even be called a “terrorist” and told to “go back to her country” on the street.

No point in taking chances.

On the other hand, I imagine her traditional blue and white would be rather distinctive from the young Islamic women who choose to use their all-enveloping “modest” garments to wear C-4 vests concealed beneath them…

 

[cute2904]

Hospitaller:

On the other hand, I imagine her traditional blue and white would be rather distinctive from the young Islamic women who choose to use their all-enveloping “modest” garments to wear C-4 vests concealed beneath them…

Indeed

 

[AnnieD]

Joseph_Alison:

Salaam Sister;

The Muslim woman who chooses to wear the Hijab is in fact following a divine command; it has nothing to do with oppression, as we often hear some say.

A Muslim man who lower his gaze as commanded by the holy Qur’an and who -when outside- meets only covered women will -when he comes back to his house- have nothing in mind, no pictures to compare with; he would fully appreciate the beauty of his wife, because he would have no “higher standards” in mind to disturb him; the Hijab is therefore a protection for both men and women and hence the family as a whole, and by extension, the society .

Salaam.
Joseph.

Do the men have to cover themselves up like the women, so the women have nothing to compare them with, and would have no higher standards in mind to disturb them, Joseph?


Annie

 

[Hospitaller]

AnnieD:

Do the men have to cover themselves up like the women, so the women have nothing to compare them with, and would have no higher standards in mind to disturb them, Joseph?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

fjordman.blogspot.com/

I have looked at the site and boy you can smell islamaphobia from miles.
First, I don’t now from where he got his statistics (I have all the reasons not to trust him) and second even if they were true, they mean nothing. I will not be surprised if a Muslim is caught stealing a sick mind will accuse all Mulsims of being thieves and Islam to condone theft. We will see more attacks on Islam in the future, but we say as Allah (SWT) said in His holy book: “They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse”.009.032

I pushed the matter little farther and checked the OFFICIAL STATISTICS of crimes in Norway and nowhere the religion of the offenders is stated, but what is sad to note in these statistics is the sharp rise in the number of incest cases and I don’t ask what’s the religion of the offenders, the incest is an odious crime as well as rape.

Joseph.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

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Salaam Hospitaller;
I am glad you had a good laugh, I was worried about you; you seemed at the edge of exploding with hatred. Hatred is a disease you know; it starts by consuming the very person that harbors it. You may end up forgetting you are a Christian.

Joseph.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

[/quote]

Salaam Hospitaller;
I am glad you had a good laugh, I was worried about you; you seemed at the edge of exploding with hatred. Hatred is a disease you know; it starts by consuming the very person that harbors it. You may well end up forgetting you are a Christian.

Joseph.

 

[Hospitaller]

Joseph_Alison:

I have looked at the site and boy you can smell islamaphobia from miles.

Just a quick question: would you also consider Daniel Pipes to be “islamophobic”?

Joseph_Alison:

I pushed the matter little farther and checked the OFFICIAL STATISTICS of crimes in Norway and nowhere the religion of the offenders is stated.

Obviously.

Joseph_Alison:

you seemed at the edge of exploding with hatred. Hatred is a disease you know; it starts by consuming the very person that harbors it.

yawn

 

[Faith101]

AnnieD:

Do the men have to cover themselves up like the women, so the women have nothing to compare them with, and would have no higher standards in mind to disturb them, Joseph?


Annie

Peace Annie

Men also have rules for dressing. Also, Islam prohibits free intermingling between the sexes…and women are also supposed to lower their gaze

 

[Edris]

Hospitaller:

Obviously.

americancatholic.org/News/ClergySexAbuse/

Oops, in this website , “The religion of the Offenders is stated”.

  I said it before and i'll say it again as much as we have bad muslims,  you have bad christians.   But it even seems worse in your case cause those of ur religion who committed these acts are considered the Ellite in Faith.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Peace

 

[cute2904]

americancatholic.org/News/ClergySexAbuse/

Oops, in this website , “The religion of the Offenders is stated”.

  I said it before and i'll say it again as much as we have bad muslims,  you have bad christians.   But it even seems worse in your case cause those of ur religion who committed these acts are considered the Ellite in Faith.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Peace

Yeah what a shame with those sexual abusive done by the priests. They should have not done that kind of thing. This is a warning to all society in the world and we have to be sensible. Its all our responsibility to make our faith keep the right path and make us a better human being for all.

Who says we are Ellite of faith? Wow… its compliments. I still think other faiths also great, a lot of them teach love, kindness and compassion. But of course not to you muslim, you are an exception. Oh one more thing. Teachers doing sodomy to their students in madrasah (muslim school) happened almost everyday here where I live. Been on the news all the time in different places around the country.

 

[Hospitaller]

cute2904:

Oh one more thing. Teachers doing sodomy to their students in madrasah (muslim school) happened almost everyday here where I live. Been on the news all the time in different places around the country.

Quite true, and here’s a link.

frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19530

While sex abuse by priests is condemned out of hand by Catholics, the reverse cannot be said for what seems to be the great trend of sexually assaulting “immodest” non-Muslim women, hence, any comparison is futile.

When Catholics begin shooting Muslim Olympic athletes, flying passenger planes loaded with Muslims into buildings in Saudi Arabia, or blowing themselves up on the streets of Tehran, *then, *and *only *then will you be able to claim some sort of equivelency.

Until that time, your religion is guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Hospitaller]

Edris:

Oops, in this website , “The religion of the Offenders is stated”.

Perhaps you should look this up, Edris:

danielpipes.org/article/450

And in particular, this segment:

Both protest our conclusion that Muslims “make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists,” saying that because Danish statistics do not correlate religion with crime, this assertion “is without any basis in fact.” Statistics Denmark does, however, produce numbers on immigrants from Third World countries and their descendants, which it reports makes up 5% of the population; and it is known that Muslims make up four-fifths of this element. The latest police figures show that 76.5% of convicted rapists in Copenhagen belong to that 5% of the population, and from that we drew our understated conclusion.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Hospitaller:

Perhaps you should look this up, Edris:
danielpipes.org/article/450
Both protest our conclusion that Muslims “make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists,” saying that because Danish statistics do not correlate religion with crime, this assertion “is without any basis in fact.” Statistics Denmark does

Ah! Daniel Pipes, the convicted bigoted racist!
“Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene…All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.” (National Review, 11/19/90).

Statistics Denmark DOES NOT correlate crime with religion.
This is the start part of the Danish Statistiques for crimes.
This is a querry with word “Religion” Nothing to do with rape.
This is a querry with the word “Muslim” Nothing to do with rape, it shows the total Muslim population of the word. Alhamdulillah (praises to be to Allah) it is growing.
This is a querry with the word “Islam” Nothing to do with rape.

Islam is growing and it will continue to do so and there is nothing that person can do.
Islam will continue to spray, not because of Immigrants, but because those open minded who have been lied to by the like of Mr. Pipes, discovered Islam and many will continue to do so; the world (thanks to the internet) has become a small place. It is the battle (the war I must say) of ideas; virulent anti-Muslims do not have a moral restraint as Muslims do; they use whatever they find, lying is the thing they care about.

Joseph.

 

[cute2904]

Joseph_Alison:

Islam is growing and it will continue to do so and there is nothing that person can do.
Islam will continue to spray, not because of Immigrants, but because those open minded who have been lied to by the like of Mr. Pipes, discovered Islam and many will continue to do so; the world (thanks to the internet) has become a small place. It is the battle (the war I must say) of ideas; virulent anti-Muslims do not have a moral restraint as Muslims do; they use whatever they find, lying is the thing they care about.

Joseph.

If Islam is growing then we should be aware of you…

 

[Hospitaller]

Joseph_Alison:

Ah! Daniel Pipes, the convicted bigoted racist!

A word of advice: Knee-jerk responses are never a good idea.

 

[Hospitaller]

Joseph_Alison:

Ah! Daniel Pipes, the convicted bigoted racist!.

Convicted? By what court?

“Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene…All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.” (National Review, 11/19/90).

In the first place, that quote you’re attributing to him is fifteen years old. Secondly, I’d like to have a link, if you don’t mind.

Joseph_Alison:

Statistics Denmark DOES NOT correlate crime with religion.

You should read the excerpt I posted above again. It relates fairly clearly how Muslims can be identified as the culprits in many of these cases through simple deductive reasoning.

Joseph_Alison:

Islam is growing and it will continue to do so and there is nothing that person can do.
Islam will continue to spray, not because of Immigrants, but because those open minded who have been lied to by the like of Mr. Pipes, discovered Islam and many will continue to do so; the world (thanks to the internet) has become a small place. It is the battle (the war I must say) of ideas; virulent anti-Muslims do not have a moral restraint as Muslims do; they use whatever they find, lying is the thing they care about.

I can call this rampant triumphalism, can I not?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Hospitaller:

In the first place, that quote you’re attributing to him is fifteen years old. Secondly, I’d like to have a link, if you don’t mind.

Know the man you rely on to bring you information about Islam and Muslims.
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Daniel_Pipes

He created campus watch to silence any academic critic to Israel.
nowtoronto.com/issues/2003-02-13/news_story.php

Look at the list (at the end) of those who condemned his racism and bigotry towards everything Arab and Muslim:
scienceforpeace.sa.utoronto.ca/Academic_Pages/Pipes_Page.html

More reads:
mondediplo.com/2003/07/07beinin
badgerherald.com/oped/2003/04/23/spotlight_hosts_open.php
baltimorechronicle.com/jul03_pipes-stalled.shtml
commondreams.org/views03/0511-02.htm
aaiusa.org/pr/release12-17a-02.htm

How can a reasonable person give any credit to such a person?

Joseph.