Are there 2 kinds of Leftist philosophy?

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And you like commiting en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ? Attack the argument not the person. Are you saying that Jews are not allowed to talk about Christianity?
Are you saying that you cannot make educated statements about anything other then your particular views?
Ad Hominum is not just about not being rude. It is a logical fallacy. For example,
Here is an Ad Hominum fallacy
  1. Manson is a liar
  2. Manson said that 2+2=4
  3. Therefore 2+2 does not =4.
    By attacking the person and not his argument , you are acting illogically and posting gibberish.
    Show me where in that video, the parallel is inaccurate.
 
Perhaps you did not understand the video. It is not saying that Jesus is a supply sider. I find it ironic that you ( a person that says that you dont have to be right winger to be a Christian) would object to it.
 
wittgenstein said:
Perhaps you did not understand the video. It is not saying that Jesus is a supply sider. I find it ironic that you ( a person that says that you dont have to be right winger to be a Christian) would object to it.
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I didn’t watch it past the robe and cuticles part of the discussion.
 
wittgenstein said:
And you like commiting en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ? Attack the argument not the person. Are you saying that Jews are not allowed to talk about Christianity?
Are you saying that you cannot make educated statements about anything other then your particular views?
Ad Hominum is not just about not being rude. It is a logical fallacy. For example,
Here is an Ad Hominum fallacy
  1. Manson is a liar
  2. Manson said that 2+2=4
  3. Therefore 2+2 does not =4.
    By attacking the person and not his argument , you are acting illogically and posting gibberish.
    Show me where in that video, the parallel is inaccurate.
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I don’t think Jews have a correct, and authoritative, knowledge of who Christ was/is/and will be. Mine was a question, because I wasn’t sure of your point. It was not an ad hominem.

The video was offensive to me and I didn’t make it past the gold trimmed robe and perfect cuticles. Plus, I never was a Franken fan. 🤷
 
I think I understand now, your emotion. The video was not an attack on Jesus. It was an attack on the absurd version of Jesus that many on the right have.
Basically, it was spot on, in that the philosophy espoused by “supply side Jesus” is embraced by the right. The point is that “supply side Jesus” has nothing in common with the real Christ. I think that it is fairly obvious that that was Frankin’s point. That many that think they follow Christ are actually following an absurd and comical fake Christ.
 
The leftists sell sex, drugs, sin, and violence in the media, then they say they care about the victims of sex, drugs, sin, and violence. It’s like punching someone in the face, then asking if they need assistance, paid for by innocent people who did not use their free will to indulge in these behaviors. Where’s the focus on Free Will, logic, and common sense? Then they act like we MUST keep accepting what the media throws at us, otherwise we are “not correct.” Sheesh. We’re screwed as long as they continue to deceive the illogical, unthinking masses.
 
“I don’t think Jews have a correct, and authoritative, knowledge of who Christ was/is/and will be.”
Prodigal Son1
I never said that they do. What I am saying is that one should attack the argument, not the person. For example, suppose someone responded to one of your arguments with only statements such as, “ you are uninformed”…etc. No logic or evidence to refute your position. Not only would that be rude, it is also a logical fallacy ( even if you were uninformed).
The person making the argument has nothing to do with the validity of the argument. Very intelligent people can be wrong and very stupid people can be right. The only thing that should concern a debater is the argument itself.
 
ManOnFire said:
The leftists sell sex, drugs, sin, and violence in the media, then they say they care about the victims of sex, drugs, sin, and violence. It’s like punching someone in the face, then asking if they need assistance, paid for by innocent people who did not use their free will to indulge in these behaviors. Where’s the focus on Free Will, logic, and common sense? Then they act like we MUST keep accepting what the media throws at us, otherwise we are “not correct.” Sheesh. We’re screwed as long as they continue to deceive the illogical, unthinking masses.
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He who is without sin…

Do you really believe that ALL people of the right have no part in sex for sale, drugs, and violence?

Some on the right hide behind righteous issues, to advance their views on social issues.
 
Actually ManOnFire,
Sex, drugs and immediate gratification are promoted by giant capitalist organizations, hardly progressive Socialists.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
He who is without sin…

Do you really believe that ALL people of the right have no part in sex for sale, drugs, and violence?

Some on the right hide behind righteous issues, to advance their views on social issues.
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Of course not, but how can the leftist media continue to pretend to want to help people when it grossly profits from selling behaviors that lead to dependency. Looking in the mirror is far more effective than their knee-jerk reaction of raising taxes on innocent people to help clean up the messes the left proffitted from. Maybe they have guilty consciences because deep down, they really do understand what they are doing.
 
wittgenstein said:
Actually ManOnFire,
Sex, drugs and immediate gratification are promoted by giant capitalist organizations, hardly progressive Socialists.
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Capitalist organizations sell things. Sales are voluntary. People have Free Will. If it’s harmful, don’t buy it. No one is forcing people to buy that which harms people. Turn off the media if it is harmful. If people didn’t have Free Will, we would feel a moral obligation to help them by creating a nice clean conservative society so they could thrive. Something tells me that many liberals would rather die than create this clean conservative environment, so the hypocrisy is allowed to continue where we “Pretend” that we have Liberalism, while growing numbers of dependents are enslaved to govt support, while the taxpayers are enslaved to pay for it, where it is only going to bankrupt the nation sooner or later, and is no where near any true definition of Liberalism.

IMO, “Progress” would be either creating a more innocent society which would lead to less dependency, or allowing people to be as liberal as they want as long as the results of their Free Will do not affect innocent taxpayers (Libertarianism). One, or the other, but not the “worst” of both worlds, which is what we have now.
 
The media is controlled by Capitalists, those that are called right wing.
Surprisingly, statistically conservatives consume more pornography then liberals.
To say that a Quaker ( a left wing church) is more prone to adultery then a fundamentalist is absurd.
youtube.com/watch?v=76ohvqwsNkk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians

“Capitalist organizations sell things. Sales are voluntary. People have Free Will. If it’s harmful, don’t buy it.”
ManOnFire
Agreed! We should not listen to the right wing!
 
I believe…there really is no such thing as a Christian Leftist. Leftism is a fear-based view of a world that evolved randomly and without purpose. At its core, it is a god-free philosophy that worries about Survival. It sees the world as divided between the Dangerous and the Empathetic.
The Dangerous are like wild animals, out to dominate, use and manipulate. The Dangerous group is also composed of the stupid people who help the forces of manipulation.
The Empathetic greatly fear the domination and potential abuse by the Strong…so they have devised 3 ethics to contain them.
Nature Ethics: The Empathetic know the whole world evolved randomly, therefore all of Nature is equal and should be treated with respect and care. (that there really is no moral difference in killing a dolphin or a baby boy.) Thus, defending natural equality is THE MORAL BASIS for Leftism.
Survival Ethics: Health and Safety are primary goals. No war is worth dying in, no cause worth the sacrifice. Leftist feel morally obligated to rid the world of sharp edges…no smoking, no running, no large sodas, no Twinkies…etc.
Victim Ethics: The Strong can dominate only if the Weak fail to band together in powerful herds…so the Left tends to herd in Victim groups…Women, Latinos, Americans with Disabilities…etc. The fear of being manipulated NEVER rests among Leftist.
Now, understandably, Western Christians get swept up in Leftism because they want to be seen and recognized as empathetic and loving to the Weak and to be good stewards of our natural resources. And, when Leftism shows its ugly side…eg…when Leftist manipulate others or a group like PETA makes a moral equivalence between Jews in the Holocaust and a plate of BBQ chicken…Christians just ignore it and tell themselves…that the world is still divided between the good (empathetic) and the evil (manipulators). And that “true christians” are on the side of Love…which they believe is Leftism.
Many Christians then become indistiguishable from Leftists in wearing T-Shirts that tell everyone how they gave blood, raced for the cure or put on rubber bands to show others that they are empathetic. Leftism then becomes their religion…as Christians turn against “orthodox” Christians…Jews turn against “orthodox” Jews…etc. Leftist Christians begin to look down on the “stupidity” of the humble and faith-filled believer who simply obeys God and studies the Bible as best they can.
 
Pugsly said:
I believe…there really is no such thing as a Christian Leftist. Leftism is a fear-based view of a world that evolved randomly and without purpose. At its core, it is a god-free philosophy that worries about Survival. It sees the world as divided between the Dangerous and the Empathetic.
The Dangerous are like wild animals, out to dominate, use and manipulate. The Dangerous group is also composed of the stupid people who help the forces of manipulation.
The Empathetic greatly fear the domination and potential abuse by the Strong…so they have devised 3 ethics to contain them.
Nature Ethics: The Empathetic know the whole world evolved randomly, therefore all of Nature is equal and should be treated with respect and care. (that there really is no moral difference in killing a dolphin or a baby boy.) Thus, defending natural equality is THE MORAL BASIS for Leftism.
Survival Ethics: Health and Safety are primary goals. No war is worth dying in, no cause worth the sacrifice. Leftist feel morally obligated to rid the world of sharp edges…no smoking, no running, no large sodas, no Twinkies…etc.
Victim Ethics: The Strong can dominate only if the Weak fail to band together in powerful herds…so the Left tends to herd in Victim groups…Women, Latinos, Americans with Disabilities…etc. The fear of being manipulated NEVER rests among Leftist.
Now, understandably, Western Christians get swept up in Leftism because they want to be seen and recognized as empathetic and loving to the Weak and to be good stewards of our natural resources. And, when Leftism shows its ugly side…eg…when Leftist manipulate others or a group like PETA makes a moral equivalence between Jews in the Holocaust and a plate of BBQ chicken…Christians just ignore it and tell themselves…that the world is still divided between the good (empathetic) and the evil (manipulators). And that “true christians” are on the side of Love…which they believe is Leftism.
Many Christians then become indistiguishable from Leftists in wearing T-Shirts that tell everyone how they gave blood, raced for the cure or put on rubber bands to show others that they are empathetic. Leftism then becomes their religion…as Christians turn against “orthodox” Christians…Jews turn against “orthodox” Jews…etc. Leftist Christians begin to look down on the “stupidity” of the humble and faith-filled believer who simply obeys God and studies the Bible as best they can.
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Christianity is all about intent of one’s heart. To make some of the claims you have made you would have to have insight into those hearts. Without such insight, you are merely ‘judging’ others with your eye. We both know the Church teaches ‘invincible ignorance’ and that no one can know who will go to heaven or hell; so, what you are ‘preaching’ is not in line with the teachings of the Church.
 
wittgenstein said:
The media is controlled by Capitalists,
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The media content is definitely left wing and going farther to the left. To say otherwise is absurd.

It’s funny how Al Gore sold his network “the Channel” to Al-Jazeera before new year’s so he could take advantage of the Bush tax cuts and avoid Obama’s 2013 higher taxes. Oh, the hypocrisy.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Christianity is all about intent of one’s heart. To make some of the claims you have made you would have to have insight into those hearts. Without such insight, you are merely ‘judging’ others with your eye. We both know the Church teaches ‘invincible ignorance’ and that no one can know who will go to heaven or hell; so, what you are ‘preaching’ is not in line with the teachings of the Church.
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Christians are becoming Leftists by the droves in Western culture. Do these Christians see Leftism as a worldly philosophy? Probably not. Leftist Christians are MOST LIKELY following good intentions. I never doubted that for a minute!
Now, I have raised a serious question…is it possible to be a Christian or Jewish Leftist …if…Leftism is a god-free philosophy?
I would answer YES…if…Leftism were only a secular way of running a political system. However, Leftism is a complete worldview.
 
Pugsly said:
Christians are becoming Leftists by the droves in Western culture. Do these Christians see Leftism as a worldly philosophy? Probably not. Leftist Christians are MOST LIKELY following good intentions. I never doubted that for a minute!
Now, I have raised a serious question…is it possible to be a Christian or Jewish Leftist …if…Leftism is a god-free philosophy?
I would answer YES…if…Leftism were only a secular way of running a political system. However, Leftism is a complete worldview.
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It’s no different to consider all political views as secular, and of this world, with their own worldview. What you’re espousing is your own worldview. Christians, even those involved in political systems, are to view everything through the Christian view. The Church teaches each to utilize a faith formed conscience, and one is obligated to follow their own conscience. No one is to force, through coercion, or other means, one against their own conscience. You are separating, number one, by saying Christians can’t be ‘left’, or ‘liberal’. You in affect, are forcing your conscience as ‘infallible’ against other person’s consciences, when you make statements as you do.

To answer your question in simple terms, Christ is apolitical.
 
ManOnFire said:
The media content is definitely left wing and going farther to the left. To say otherwise is absurd.

It’s funny how Al Gore sold his network “the Channel” to Al-Jazeera before new year’s so he could take advantage of the Bush tax cuts and avoid Obama’s 2013 higher taxes. Oh, the hypocrisy.
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And there never has been any hypocritical from the ‘right’?:rolleyes:
 
One reason Christians morph into Leftists…is that they feel like God’s arms and legs here: they are the ones who must defend the Weak, visit the sick…etc. I fully agree with loving the “anawim” like Mother Theresa…one by one by one.

In the Old Testament God uses a Hebrew word “anawim” to express His concern for the weaker brothers and sisters. God says repeatedly throughout the scriptures to be sure to care for the “anawim”…which means…“the poor, the widow, the orphan and the stranger in your land”.
In the New Covenant…Jesus…repeats this overarching concern for the weak and downtrodden…e.g. in the Sermon on the Mount.

Leftism is a fear-based philosophy that mimics a Christian concern for the weak and downtrodden. One way to discern a Leftist solution from a Christian one…is that the Leftist solutions seek to control rather than to love. Leftism pivots off of fear. Christians should pivot off of the Loving Holy Spirit.
 
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