Are there ANY Bible Miracles you don't believe?

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Kei said:
Wouldn’t you presume a miracle would take into account various other factors, being that God would know all the factors at play?

Not to argue about the specific miracle just the complaint lodged against it
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It would seem that the poster who first replied ;all though He DID choose an excellent miracle to "question IMO [I’m the OP]

BUT we’re talking about GOD here; are we to suppose that God cannot do ANY good thing?

Blessings,
Patrick
 
goout said:
What do you mean by “believe”? Clarification if you could.

To me belief is to give my response to the saving Truth in Scripture, and in Jesus himself, as propsed by the magisterium.

If you are asking if I give literalist scientific credence to every happening in the bible, how could anyone give that?
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As the “OP”

I mean as detailed in the Bible [a literal understanding] NOT necessarily founded on a scientific grounding as the term itself implies; miracles are NOT scientifically provable

Thanks for asking
 
AlNg said:
And he made the sun dance at Fatima.

This is another miracle that is somewhat problematic. If the sun was dancing around in the sky, the question has come up as to why observatories in other parts of the earth did not see anything unusual with the position of the sun at that time.

There might have been some sort of local weather related optical illusion. However, it is difficult to believe that the sun was dancing around in the sky

since such a thing would normally cause catastrophic turmoil throughout the whole solar system and
since this solar activity was not observed in other parts of the world
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As the “OP”

I have actually seen a LIVE video of this

It IS amazing; it is a Miracle. Amen
 
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goout:
What do you mean by “believe”? Clarification if you could.

To me belief is to give my response to the saving Truth in Scripture, and in Jesus himself, as propsed by the magisterium.

If you are asking if I give literalist scientific credence to every happening in the bible, how could anyone give that?
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As the “OP”

I mean as detailed in the Bible [a literal understanding] NOT necessarily founded on a scientific grounding as the term itself implies; miracles are NOT scientifically provable

Thanks for asking
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I accept everything in the bible as God’s inspired saving truth. I believe in it.
When people ask me whether “that really happened” the only possible answer is “How could I possibly know?”

If literalist certitude were a requirement for faith, no one would make it through RCIA. There’s not a person alive who can comprehend trans-substantiation, yet many give their assent to it, because Christ has called them to it.
I believe because I believe Him and find Him trustworthy, and I want to respond to Him.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
I do roll my eyes at the ages of the OT patriarchs though. I don’t for one minute believe that some guy lived 900 years, or was journeying across the desert at age 100.
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WHY NOT?

God can walk on water. Raise the Dead; is making a man live for 900 years impossible

BTW

You may wish to check out the actual meaning of numbers in the Bible?

www.agapebiblestudy.numbers.com
 
Reuben_J said:
I think she brought up a good conversation piece. I am often intrigued by the age of the ancient people and prophets, not that I doubt them but curious how they came to be. Honestly, I did talk about it with my friends in the religious circle. They can be a few things:

They lived up to the normal age but their counting of the years may be different. Obvuously, no Gregorian calendar which is a very recent thing.

They could use the moons instead of years. Our natives would measure time by the moons. If it was moons, then 900 years would be 900 moons, which is 84 years, and more like today old age. They might live shorter life, of course.

They could be miracles also - God purposely allowed them to live long lives to do His work on earth. But if that was, it would be quite unusual - how would the people related to them with such an old age? It is all left to our imagination.

Those are what I could think of.

I have no problem with the parting of the Red sea, for example. I think it was a miracle unlike what the movie makes of it - a low tide and tsunami.
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VERY Good

check out what Bible numbers mean

ww.agapebiblestudy/numbers.com

Blessings
Patrick
 
YES, I Do believe both are literal; though “salt” was known to be necessary for LIFE so that could have been a metaphor for “killed”

Patrick [the OP]
 
goout said:
Eternal salvation involves the glorified body, not an earthly physical body.

So does it really matter if the poster is skeptical of the biblical time frame of 900 literal years with a temporal body? Not really.

I respect a faith that endures despite difficulty accepting the super-natural
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OK? But

The Glorified body is at the END Times; not at the Particular Judgment

GBY

Patrick
 
goout said:
I accept everything in the bible as God’s inspired saving truth. I believe in it.

When people ask me whether “that really happened” the only possible answer is “How could I possibly know?”

If literalist certitude were a requirement for faith, no one would make it through RCIA. There’s not a person alive who can comprehend trans-substantiation, yet many give their assent to it, because Christ has called them to it.

I believe because I believe Him and find Him trustworthy, and I want to respond to Him.
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THANK YOU, as the OP I was hoping that the Eucharist might come up.

There CAN BE NO greater, no more profound Miracle than Catholic Holy Communion which IS Jesus Himself. Amen

Patrick
 
boldlygo said:
I don’t believe the story of Noah’s Ark…it’s a retelling of the Epic of Gilgamesh, but in monotheistic terms.
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So why could not both stories be of the same catastrophic event some time after it occurred but passed down through stories formed by each group’s remembered oral tradition? Why is copying (blind or otherwise) the only reason why the retellings could be similar?

Seems to me that there were a number of ancient cultures that had flood stories. That being the case, an actual flood could explain those stories better than mere plagiarism, no? Especially if those cultures had no contact with each other after those traditions were initially generated by the actual flood event.
 
The Bible isn’t always to be interpreted as strictly historical. Many stories are written as a means to convey a deeper message. Take for example , Jonah really being swallowed by a fish. Or all of Jobs troubles. These books are not historical books. Remember the Bible isn’t a book, it is a collection of books written in different genres. Some are historical, poetic, apocalyptic, prophecy, etc. They are not all meant to be taken as a non fiction book. That is actually a very Protestant way of thinking.
 
jas84173 said:
The Bible isn’t always to be interpreted as strictly historical. Many stories are written as a means to convey a deeper message. Take for example , Jonah really being swallowed by a fish.
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So what deeper message is to be found in Jonah being swallowed by a fish?

Stay away from the shore where big fish are known to hang out?

Funny you should bring this up.

Jesus seemed to take Jonah very seriously.
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. (Matthew 12:38-40)
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And again:
The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. (Matthew 12:41)
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Why do you suppose Jesus would make such a big deal out of a made-up story about a non-existent prophet who caused a fictitious city of men to repent by not actually preaching to them?
 
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It’s important to remember, though, that only some of the books in the Old Testament are strictly historical in nature. Others are poetic and use fictional elements to communicate their message to the reader. These may include the story of Jonah being swallowed by a “great fish” or Job’s endurance of suffering. Jesus really told a story about the prodigal son, but the son himself may never have existed. In one of his Wednesday audiences, Pope St. John Paul II described other Old Testament books that fit this genre: “The books of Tobit, Judith, and Esther, although dealing with the history of the chosen people, have the character of allegorical and moral narrative rather than history properly so called.” - Catholic Answers Booklet, “The Bible”, 20 Answers , question 10.

Ask the people who write for the site if you don’t want to listen to me.
 
What of my question?

Can’t that be answered by you without referencing other people who write for this site?

If Jesus were to ask you, “Who do you say I am?” would you refer him to people who write for the CA site?
 
The story of Jonah has very little to do with a fish and all to do with someone running from God and repenting and doing God’s will and saving people by it.
 
jas84173 said:
The story of Jonah has very little to do with a fish and all to do with someone running from God and repenting and doing God’s will and saving people by it.
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I agree with that but do you think the fish was real or not?
 
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