Are there very many non-Christains here? If so.. please explain your reasons for rejecting Christ..

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Christians are very happy people also because they believe in the loving grace of God. Jesus didn’t die on the cross so He could withhold Himself from his children. Christians believe God forgives sin ( 7 times 70 and 700 more) Catholics believe God is ready to zap people and throw them into hell if they don’t do what the Pope says. Catholics also believe God condemns and withholds his love from those who do not obey the Pope. This is man’s law, not God’s. Catholics need to abide by the Bible more and stop obeying laws and condemnations invented by the Pope to enslave God’s children. Christianity is supposed to free men fromtheir sins, not enslave them.
I’m as Cathlic a person as you will find and i do NOT believe any of this… and i don’t know of any Catholic who does… so i dont’ know where you get your info…

Catholics generally believe as the church teaches… that all Chrstians are members of the One Church founded by Christ (RCC), albeit indirectly and imperfectly… and that they have a chance to get to Heaven… They do hold that if a person KNOWS the Catholic Church is the one Christ established and refuse to join it… his salvation is in jeopardy… yet only God knows who goes to Hell…

No Catholic believes that God withholds his love from people… especially those who try to do as He says… I sometimes feel that God witholds his love from me… but that is NOT the Church’s fault… that is my psychology speaking… lying to me… My mother and i had serious problems when i was growing up (very long story)… and i was sent the msg (by her & others) that i was “worthless”… so it has nothing to do with the Church… I think a lot of people blame the Church for this kind of thing…

anyway… how much do you know about Catholicism? Where did you get your info?

How were you raised…?

I will say one more thing: I never knew the Love of God until i became a practicing Catholic… when i started praying the rosary

I’ve had doubts and questions here and there… but knowing Jesus… as the Cathlic Church gives him to us… (all of Him) is something i never doubt…
 
I was raised in the Church and loved the Church until I got divorced and got kicked out. Since divorce is not the unpardonable sin, I strongly believe God forgives divorce just as he forgave the woman at the well and the thief on the cross. Excluding those who are divorced from the sacraments of the Chruch teaches a God looking for people to condemn, not save and love. Catholics often think of God as a vengeful being waitiing to throw someone into hell every time they think a bad thought. God is more loving than that. The Bible doesn’t teach a hateful God, either, but a Father who loves his children. Catholics love guilt.

So…I believe the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and the love God has for us all. I don’t think God would condemn me for having to get divorced.
i dont’ know what Church you attended but I’ve never heard of a priest throwing someone out for divorce… It is divorce and re-marriage that is a problem… but even then, the Church says one who has done that can go to Mass, just can’t receive Sacrament of Eucharist until 1st marriage is properly annulled…

and the reason people tend to think that God is so “vengeful” is because God HATES sin… though NOT sinners.

& God IS angry with sinners who refuse to give up their sin. You say you believe the bible… The Bible speaks of those who are “storing up wrath for the day of wrath”… those who continue in sin, knowing it is wrong and they should repent… rationalizing it (like gays who flaunt their sinfulnessness & expect society to endorse their lifestyle…)… God IS angry about that… and the Scirptures will support me on that…

It is dangerous how some ministers today (and even priests… .in fact maybe thye are worse)… preach all this Love Love love of God… and totally neglect his JUSTICE… and purity, etc…

gotta go…
 
but what about Buddha leaving his wife/child… on the day the child was born? I mean, how “enlightened” is that?
At the time he left home he was not yet enlightened. After he attained enlightenment he returned home and took his son on as a monk. A man might leave his wife and child at home to go to work, in order to bring them back something of value. The Buddha did the same - what could be more valuable than enlightenment?
Obviously, Jesus would never have done that.
How do you know that?
Have you ever looked into Catholicism? If so, How did that go?
Yes. It was just another variant of the standard Abrahamic religion. The “exta ecclesiam nulla salus” element that I mentioned was present as well. It did not suit my needs.
It would be nice to know your age/sex, but if you dont want to say, that’s understandable…
Male, mid fifties.

rossum
 
If you are trying to suggest to me that Jesus’ death on the cross was only for those who are divorced but not remarried, then I have to say that you are wrong. God forgives ALL sin, it’s man who doesn’t – like the Pope. Divorce and remarriage is NOT the unpardonable sin for God, but the Pope in his ultimate wisdom wants to discriminate and ostracize those who remarry. I think that’s shameful especially since the church (bishops and the Pope) did nothing to stop the priests who abused children. Now, that’s a real sin.

Catholics are the first to cast the first stone at anyone who does not claim a path to holiness. I’ve got news. Holiness is impossible in the flesh. Yes, we should try to be holy, but no one, not even Catholics can achieve holiiness in the flesh. IF priests can participate in homosexuality with young children and still administer the sacraments, then remarried divorcees are surely worthy of receiving communion from them.
 
i don’t have much time right now… so will only comment on a few of your points…

Jesus said that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father… We either believe all of what Jesus said or we can believe NONE… He either is God as he says or he is a terrible liar and fraud… There is no in-between…

I will leave it at that for now…
umm… no ,

I know what you have said is a popular quote among Christians but it is not a valid quote .

Jesus could have been misquoted, misunderstood , lied upon etcc…

The concept of Jesus bieng either Crazy , Liar or a fraud is a christian concept that excludes that Jesus could have been misquoted, misunderstood , lied upon etc…

It is a nice concept to say to simple minded uneducated people but it closes the door about a facts that often happens in history, like misunderstanding ,forgery, etc…

As i said in my post , the signs that jesus is not God is much much more than the signs that Jesus is God in the bible.

best regards,

meedo
 
I don’t think you were responding to me because your post doesn’t make sense to what I was trying to say.
 
My story isn’t exactly what you were asking for but…

I used to be “uneducated about God”. What I mean by that is I was never really exposed to God by my parents. My mother believed in God but never really “taught” me about him when I was young. Most of what I heard about God was from other people and I had, at best, a very basic understanding. We had bibles around our house but they were KJV and that isn’t something a young child is going to read and understand.

Over the years I heard more and more about God and Jesus, but I never really thought they were much more than characters in a “feel good” story and that the bible was just an unread book that most people and hotels had lying around to make them “look good”.

Most of the Christians I had been exposed to thought that just believing in God and having Jesus as their savior was good enough to save them. Some even thought “well I can raise hell Monday thru Saturday and then repent on Sunday and everything will be fine”.

I had been asked by Christians if I believed in God and I said I don’t know. “What?!! We have got to get you saved brother!!”. Saved from what? Hell? Hate to tell you this but if I don’t subscribe to God, I don’t subscribe to Hell either. They made it their life’s goal to have me saved. One Christian would say go to my church, it’s the right one. Another Christian would say my church is the best don’t go to theirs they are wrong. They played tug of war with me and tried to get me to swallow their beliefs and attend their churches. It seemed like no matter which church I went to it was wrong in someone’s eyes.

They didn’t try to educate me, they were too busy trying to save me. I kept thinking “Why do they want to save me so bad? Do they get a commission?” They were pushy. Very pushy. Almost like a used car salesman trying to unload a lemon on someone. Finally, I rejected it all. I rejected any possibility of becoming Christian. If being a Christian meant being pushy, egotistical, and talking about others behind their backs then I don’t want any part of it. I rejected God.

I lived the atheist life for a number of years. Happy and carefree. No sin to worry about. You don’t worry about sin when you don’t believe in God. Mind you I wasn’t a lunatic running around with a “get out of jail free card”, but I didn’t worry that I would offend God either. No sin. No God. No problem.

Until…

If you are expecting to read about how Jesus appeared to me in my kitchen and slapped me back to right, you are going to be disappointed. It didn’t happen that way.

Instead, it was one little, simple statement I read, while trying to debunk the bible and Christianity, that changed my thinking. “All creation must have a creator”. Hmmm…that’s true. Now I didn’t jump up and start running around going “Yeehaw!!! I believe in God now!!!”. Nope. It happened slowly. I kept thinking about that statement. Even if we came from a single cell organism, something had to create that organism. It kept eating at me about how there are somethings in this old world that can’t be explained no matter how hard you try. Did I chalk it all up to God? Not yet, but I didn’t count him out either. I began doing research about God online. He doesn’t have his own website btw. There are as many websites saying there isn’t a God as there is saying God does exist. What to do? What to do?

So I did what any person doing serious research would do…I went to Wal-mart. I bought a $10 NIV bible. I needed to read what God had to say. I needed his side of the story. I thought it was cool because I could actually read and understand this thing unlike the KJV. I started reading it. I got hooked. I kept reading daily. It became something I looked forward to doing. The more I read, the more things made sense. I did this for quite a while. God is sneaky. He was in my life now.

Hello God? Long time listener. First time caller…

Ok, now that I am understanding that God does exist, I need to worship this being that gave me life. I need to show God that I love him.

Let’s go shopping…

Time to find a faith. Let’s do some research online. OH MAN!!! Why are there so many??? Which one is right??? What if I choose the wrong one? I don’t have time to read through all of these search results! Oh NO!!! What language is that webpage in?? What if that is the right faith and I can’t follow it because I don’t speak that language?
Pressure makes diamonds but this is ridiculous!

Lucky for me I found a website that can help narrow down the choices. You answer a few questions and it gives you faiths that are in tune with your thinking. Cool!!

Catholic? What? Let’s take this test again. Catholic again. Ok, let’s research Catholicism. Interesting. Interesting. I agree. Yep, I believe that too. Ok. Catholic it is. Called up the local RCC and started RCIA class and that’s where I’m at now. Glad I did it 🙂
 
At the time he left home he was not yet enlightened. After he attained enlightenment he returned home and took his son on as a monk. A man might leave his wife and child at home to go to work, in order to bring them back something of value. The Buddha did the same - what could be more valuable than enlightenment?

How do you know that?

Yes. It was just another variant of the standard Abrahamic religion. The “exta ecclesiam nulla salus” element that I mentioned was present as well. It did not suit my needs.

Male, mid fifties.

rossum
thanks for the info. I am female and… well, Age unknown… birth certificate got messed up somehow… :rolleyes: 😃

anyway… i don’t know how much Catholicism you really, truly “know”… but if you had ever spent time with Jesus in the Real Presence (for more than just an hour or two), i don’t believe you would be saying this… last thing…

I probably wouldn’t be Christian at all if it weren’t… No, wait… I KNOW i wouldn’t be christian if it weren’t for the RCC… and i wouldn’t be a devout one without the rosary and the Real Presence… People in the Church have almost drivien me away (many and varied “long stories”:rolleyes: :eek: ) but i won’t leave those 2 things and a few others…

Anyway… i worry about the souls of those outside the Church because i have heard it many times and from many sources that not many people make it to heaven… and as many consequences as sin causes to a person’s soul and mind and heart, it is no wonder…

funny thing is, the longer i live, the less i have a problem believing such things… St. Leonard said tht most adults are damned…

I’ve seen so much evil and lack of repentance in my “short” life… i have no trouble believing this…
 
My story is much like rossum’s. I was born to a devout Catholic family and attended an excellent parochial school. We had the traditional Catholic school experience of novenas, daily mass, and processions. I loved the beauty of the music and art, the stories of the saints and the history of the Church. But I don’t think I ever really believed in the supremacy of the Church or its teachings. At most I had a “my school is better than your school” sort of belief.

By high school, I no longer saw the necessity of a priest as a go between me and any supreme being. I explored other Christian religions and then other non Christian religions. The more I studied anthropology and psychology in college the more I saw all of the various religions as a way to explain the unknown. I saw no difference between the religions of ancient Egypt and those of modern Western culture.

I looked into Hinduism, Jainism, and Taoism and found some interesting concepts in each of them. I especially found the Tao Te Ching to be a beautiful philosophical work and collected several copies. By this time the very concept of a Supreme Creator God no longer made sense to me. If this god always was then why couldn’t existence itself be this eternal thingy? Why did the universe need a creator? Why couldn’t an always changing existence just be?

To me the word God became the word people used when they meant something that is not known. Great effort is expended in explaining this unknown and attributing to it all sorts of human emotion and frailties. This god was subject to Anger, Egotism, Retribution, Blood Sacrifice. Reading the Bible with all of the explanatory footnotes finally made me realize that I did not believe in this Creator God at all.

Years past and one day something made me decide to explore Buddhism. I can’t remember what the trigger was but I bought a book called What the Buddha Taught and It was as though a light came on. Finally here was a profound moral path without a God; a philosophy as much as a religion; a group of teachings drawing from human wisdom as old as civilization yet with the wisdom that resonated with modern study of the workings of the human mind.

I hope that each person on this thread finds as much happiness and contentment in his or her beliefs as I have found in the teachings of Siddhattha Gotama.
 
Are there very many non-Christains here? If so… please explain your reasons for rejecting Christ…
Hi

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim and I love Jesus but I reject Divinity of Jesus only invented by Paul.

Thanks
 
Hi

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim and I love Jesus but I reject Divinity of Jesus only invented by Paul.

Thanks
Paarsurrey, give it up because after a while, it gets old. Apparently you haven’t read the Gospels and understood it.
 
not much time so will answer this…

God allows evil because human beings (who are, essentially “gods” becaue they have the power to do as they please)… choose to do evil…

God created us free beings… He will not force anyone to choose Him… and so tht is why there is evil in the world… We have the means at our disposal to end world hunger but people are greedy and selfish & uncaring… so people starve… People also tend to think they are better than others… I know religious groups that believe that if a person is poor (Christian person) he is doing something wrong with his relationship with God… becaues God doesn’t want anyone to be poor… Hmmm… strange belief considering that Jesus himself was “poor” (materially)…

anyway… God is love so he brings good out of evil… but that doesn’t mean he is going to let evil-doers get away with hteir evil forever… I have no trouble believing in Hell… Eternal Hell is something that i used to struggle with… .b ut seeing the ugly nature of sin… well, i don’t struggle with it too much. Sin drags one to the ground… and lower… If one does not rise above it through repentance… regeneration … one ends up… still on the ground… and lower…

God bless…
Well, I guess the Problem of Evil is an issue which has come up before and will undoubtedly come up again, and isn’t likely to get resolved in a single thread 😉

But I don’t really see how “free will” is an explanation. Yes, at some level, we all have a gut feeling that wants to see “evildoers” get their comeuppance. But surely pure punishment with no possibility of parole or reform is just revenge - I dont think it does human societies any good, so I can’t imagine what a God would get out of it.

I often hear God compared to a loving parent, but if this is so, it seems he has turned his children loose in a nursery full of razor wire and landmines, giving vague and contradictory instructions to different groups of his children, and then sat back and watched as we stumble from one painful experience to the next. And then when it’s time to leave the nursery, one of the groups - and it’s impossible to tell objectively which one until its too late - gets eternity in the sweetshop, and all the rest are thrown into prison, and the key chucked away.

True, the burned hand teaches best about fire, but we’d take a pretty dim view of a human parent who treated his children in this way. Should we hold a god up to a lower standard of behaviour than we hold ourselves?

And that’s just man-made evil. What about natural disasters?

I just can’t make this picture of the world add up to one which includes a loving, compassionate divine being. On the other hand, it is exactly the kind of world you would expect to exist if there is no god.
 
Thanks, Distracted, for starting this thread. It is refreshing to see some sincerity and plain talk in the answers to your question. I respect your “non-bashing” attitude, which some of the habitual bashers did not. Pertinent to that, my favorite line so far, as it made me hoot with laughter, is from htk553 who wrote “Why do they want to save me so bad? Do they get a commission?” That is a keeper!

I would like to add my story as well, but first a necessary, I think, observation gleaned from reading the entire sequence of posts so far. (8AM PST) First, as you may have gathered, being non-Christain doen’t necessarily entail rejecting Christ, save that from a strict view as a Catholic or other fundamentalist interpretation, being non-Catholic or non-X, constitures rejection.

Second, though you are not a “basher” in the sense that some on here are, it does seem that you are using this thread to affirm your conviction that “most adults are damned.” Again, “damned” in this case, translated into practical terms means, as far as I can tell, “don’t believe what I do.”

Third, and most importantly, I completely believe that you have had an experience of the Real Presence. That is a rare and wonderful gift, and I am completely happy for you in this regard. However, it is useful to note that even a very profound religious experience does not *necessarily *carry with it its commensurate and complete cognative exegesis in the scheme of being.

Fourth, “Christ” is properly a title attributed to Jesus. In christianist theologies those terms have become identical. In other ways of understanding they have not. That is the crux (lol) of the difference in some ways of interpretation that clearly are not in the province of either cradle christianists or scholastic misinterpreters of some of the Eastern or Middle Eastern religions/philosophies.

This is consistent with the understanding that in the time and region of Jesus, the teaching language which we now call “parables” had at least three levels of meaning in order to protect the innocent. That yet allowed the transmission of meaning, or at least the posssibility of questioning, for those who had a more esoteric seed of percption in the mental and spiritual world beyond literalism. Anyone interested may find a copy of Maurice Nicoll’s The New Man: an interpretation of some parables and miracles of Christ, which is an excelent exposition of that subject. There are other excellent works which support the stance of some of the other posters.

I will enter my story as the next post, as this one has proven too long for a single instance.
 
My story (short version) is as follows: I was baptised and raised a Catholic in the Roman rite. I went to Catholic school by the sweat of my parents immigrant brows up to and through high school. I was always very religious, devout, and, to say the least, of a proselytizing mind and heart. I had good ammunition in this regard as I had excelled in catechism and in religious studies to the point of having won a state wide trophy for Catholic theological knowledge in our high school system. I had, in fact, stumped a couple of priests, a foreshadowing of things to come.

For whatever reason, I had had in my life a number of religious experiences, or at least I was told that that was what they were. The denouemant of those came with a trio of factors that happened in my high school years. (there are dinosaur prints on my yearbook; I’ve been around a while, lol)

At any rate, I was deeply prompted to know the nature of my experiences and the reasons for or behind them, and where they all fit in my faith. Despite an arduous search both scholastically and face to face with many clerics, I came up not only empty, but seriously doubting in all sincerity if anyone even knew what the heck I was talking about. In simple terms it turned out they didn’t. I had to conclude that there was no accounting in my faith for my experiences, at least not beyond “You must beleive.”

Well, I was in the position then of the monk on the riverbank who had seen the family extatic in their faith. They were extatic, but ignorant. I, for my part, was convinced that there had to be, in the consistency of God’s creation, a viable cognative line between God and my experience. I could not believe that my God would wish me to live in ignorance of my own being and the meaning of my perceptions. Therefore I quested.

I tried forms of meditation and tried learning about various Eastern systems. Though this brought into my considerations a number of useful factors not available to me through Catholicism, they were yet unfulfilling and only hinted that there may be an answer somewhere to my quest.

Then I met, serendipetously, a man who changed my life. Eventually I worked many years in his employ and came to consider him to be my Mentor. He had, after a very successful concert career, given up his lucrative career as a piano teacher and adjudicator. This was based on the very numerous requests he constantly recieved fom people who came to him with “unsovable” religious and philosophical delimas, or who just needed help in their quest. This included Jesuit scholars, many of them, religious of every variety and description, all of whom acknowledged his profoud inisghts, leaders in every profession, the arts, sciences, etc. You would easily recognize some of the names of people who came to him and who recieved great pearls. He recieved credit from few, though it was clear that his influence had changed their lives. He was an artist and a philanthropist himself, supporting scholarships and helping people start businesses with talents they didn’t know they had. He treated each individual as a unique manifestation of God. In the close to thirty years I knew him I never saw anything but total consistency between his talk and his walk. I can say with all sincerity that I actually knew a Great Man as a walking talking Presence.

I now know that Truth is transmitted by Presence, not by precepts. Precepts are an after the fact attempt to catch a meaning that only lives in the heart. No wonder Paul said “The letter kills, the Spirit enilvens.”

My Benefactor has passed, and I only have his memory, publications, and a few personal notes to remind me. However, he lives in my heart as an exemplar of unconditional Love, and as someone who could explicate and give meaning in life experience to what had before him been dead dogma to me. He was a philosophical omnivor who ate sutras and bibles for light snacks. He was likened by Catholic priests to St. John Chrysostom, and by Buddhists to “living Vedanta.” To me the proof of his verity was in that his perceptions disolved religious contentions and fostered an aura of living ecumenism around him that was profound and palpable. It was clear to me that the Love at the foundation of his utterances was so fundamental as to be before the adamantinization of Love into dogma and precepts and religions. He made me feel that I am always in the Presence, that the World and my Being are the constant Church, and all things, thoughts, and actions a part of the sacred sacramental ceremony of loving God.

I live to this day practicing as best I can what I learned of all religions and philosophies, even my Catholicism, from this man as an exponent of what I feel is the root of any religion. That is unconditional Love. That, for me, is beyond any intellectualization of something that two thousand years ago, before that, and after that, always was, IS, and will be a *living *experience incapable of capture by books or theologies. Those are but dim shadows, and at best pointers.

I therefore urge anyone who is interested in their salvation, enightenment, or whaterver you might label as progrees in Truth, to find a living exponent of unconditional love. If you do this and learn, I feel that you will fulfill the actual foundational requirements of any faith or philosophy. And then we might even actally be able to sanely speak with one another from a common basis.
 
umm… no ,

I know what you have said is a popular quote among Christians but it is not a valid quote .

Jesus could have been misquoted, misunderstood , lied upon etcc…

The concept of Jesus bieng either Crazy , Liar or a fraud is a christian concept that excludes that Jesus could have been misquoted, misunderstood , lied upon etc…

It is a nice concept to say to simple minded uneducated people but it closes the door about a facts that often happens in history, like misunderstanding ,forgery, etc…
God would not let anyone distort His words (to the point that there was no shred of his actualy Word left in the world) . He said (through Jesus) that His Church would not fail, no matter what evil came against it… St. Mt 16:18…

Everyone agrees that God is powerful enough to stop humans from distorting His Word… if he is powerful enough to do that, he will do it… Why wouldn’t He? He doesn’t want peple to be misled and end up in Hell…

Jesus HAS been misquoted and the Word HAS been distorted… trhough Protestantism… and other belief systems… but God preserved His Truth on Earth in His original Church… it is there for all the world to see… to find… If people refuse to see it/find it, it is usually because they just don’t want to see it or find it… don’t want to give up their lifestyle… or whatever…
 
disasters?

I just can’t make this picture of the world add up to one which includes a loving, compassionate divine being. On the other hand, it is exactly the kind of world you would expect to exist if there is no god.
wow… this is weird because i felt exactly how you say here… today… and for no apparent reason… hadn’t committed any horrible sin… hadn’t done anything that would lead to such a feeling… but i felt that God didnt’ care about me, even hated me… Fortunately the feeling left once i started facing them… dealing with them, writing about them… giving them to Him… and best of all, they went away the longer i spent time iwth Him at the Blessed Sacrament… 🙂 I was beginning to think that God does hate us all…

I am not sure i am totally OVER feeling that way… and sometimes feelings are reality… whether we should think so or not…

In any case, maybe (Key word: maybe) God sometimes (another key word) " wants" us to feel this way, if only for a time… because it leads us to Jesus… who said he would never forsake us… or abandon us… …

I know that Jesus, having been human (and still is, i believe) knows what this (& everything else we go through) feels like. On the Cross he said, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” 😦
 
I therefore urge anyone who is interested in their salvation, enightenment, or whaterver you might label as progrees in Truth, to find a living exponent of unconditional love. If you do this and learn, I feel that you will fulfill the actual foundational requirements of any faith or philosophy. And then we might even actally be able to sanely speak with one another from a common basis.
i definitely do NOT urge such a thing. I hve been looking for unconditional human love all my life and havne’t found it yet… Even children… love you “u/conditionallY” until they are teenagers… Sure, they still love you even then, but it is NOT the same…

There is NO such thing as human unconditional love. People love you when you are what thye want you to be or expect you to be… Then when you have problems or falter in any wya… they ditch you… one way or the o ther…

You can only find unconditional love from Jesus Christ…

Even if you could find someone who loved you as much as is humanly possible… that is NOTHING compared to the way Jesus loves you… and if you begin to depend on a human’s love, you will be sorely disappointed… and may end up doing something crazy… or wahtever… when that love “goes away”… as it AlWAYS does…
 
Second, though you are not a “basher” in the sense that some on here are, it does seem that you are using this thread to affirm your conviction that “most adults are damned.” Again, “damned” in this case, translated into practical terms means, as far as I can tell, “don’t believe what I do.”

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i tend to believe most adults are damned more from what i have been thoruhg/seen in my relatively short (but seemingly long) lifetime… I have seen so much evil and been victim of it… and seen a lot of evil within also… that does not want to leave… unless i force it to by act of will… which is not easy…

anyway… people are damned because they do not want God… or they do but they don’t want his ways…

but you cannot have God if you reject his ways… You banish God form your life when you reject his ways… that’s just the way it is… it’s reality… you can’t jump off a 10 story building, believing you will survie and actually survive… doesn’t work…

anywya… I don’t WANT to bleieve people are damned… I have been guilty of trying to believe a lot of things just because i want to but this is not usually one of them… and I try to get them on the right path so they won’t be damned…

God saves all who fear Him and are repentent… Yet most pepole just seem to care about the here and now and having THEIR way… so if they end up in Hell, it really IS because they want to… or thought they wanted to … or waht have you…

anyway… God bless…
 
Yes, I agree with you . There is not “human” unconditional Love. Love is of God, and IS God even in terms of limited human experience and perception. And yes, the Love of the Christ is insuperable, as it sees nothing outside Itself not to include.
 
Buddha didn’t die for our sins,
Mohammed didn’t die for our sins,
But Jesus Christ died for our sins.

That’s the story. But - so what ? 🤷 Even if true, you might as well say, “The Sky-Bunny died for our sins”: the two statements are equally relevant in practice. And how has anything died for the “sins” of anyone, if people still have to go to confession 🤷 ?​

 
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