Are TLM readings different than ordinary form ones?

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I attended a Traditional Latin Mass about a month ago, and seem to recall that the readings for the day were different than the ones prescribed for the ordinary form. Is this always the case?

I had always been taught that the whole Church hears the same readings on the same day, showing forth its universality in this manner.

Does it bother any TLM participants that they are not in sync with the universal Church in regard to the readings?
 
It does not bother me in the least. I love the old Mass and really like the way its is celebrated. Besides we are not always “out of sync” with the new Mass. 🙂
 
opus101 said:
I attended a Traditional Latin Mass about a month ago, and seem to recall that the readings for the day were different than the ones prescribed for the ordinary form. Is this always the case?

I had always been taught that the whole Church hears the same readings on the same day, showing forth its universality in this manner.

Does it bother any TLM participants that they are not in sync with the universal Church in regard to the readings?
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It’s not always the case, but with the Novus Ordo came a new Lectionary with a 3-year cycle of readings. The traditional Mass has a one-year cycle. So most weeks it’s different.
 
opus101 said:
I attended a Traditional Latin Mass about a month ago, and seem to recall that the readings for the day were different than the ones prescribed for the ordinary form. Is this always the case?

I had always been taught that the whole Church hears the same readings on the same day, showing forth its universality in this manner.

Does it bother any TLM participants that they are not in sync with the universal Church in regard to the readings?
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As the previous poster stated, the OF and EF are on different calendars. The OF has a three-year cycle and the EF a one-year cycle. I actually don’t know exactly how this works, but I do know that the OF has a lot of the prayers cut out, so it’s not like we are only getting one third of the readings.

The OF cycle is focused like a bible study. If you attend mass every day for three years, the whole bible will be read to you.

The EF cycle is focused to make it so that the readings for each day are pertinent to that day’s saint, feast, or feria day. What is in the Introit, Collect, Epistle, Gradual, Alleluia/Tract, Gospel, Offertory, Secret, Preface, Communion, and Postcommunion will pretty much always be pertinent to that day.

I am not bothered in the least by being on a different calendar from OF parishes. I find readings are more pertinent to the day, and I prefer that over a bible study type calendar.
 
opus101 said:
I attended a Traditional Latin Mass about a month ago, and seem to recall that the readings for the day were different than the ones prescribed for the ordinary form. Is this always the case?

I had always been taught that the whole Church hears the same readings on the same day, showing forth its universality in this manner.

Does it bother any TLM participants that they are not in sync with the universal Church in regard to the readings?
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Actually, it does bother me a bit that the Ordinary Form has different readings and a different calendar than those which the Church had traditionally followed. Then again, there must have been reasons to adopt those changes, so I respect both forms.
 
Yes, but I think that not all change is bad. The Mass has evolved in a good way, and I think that having paid close attention to the readings and the days they fall on; I can say that alot of thought went into the Ordinary Form. I don’t think you get the ENTIRE Bible over the course of three years, but pretty close.

I have no beef with the Extraordinary Form at all (I went to my first EF Mass last Wednesday!); but I think that some adjustment to the Liturgy was probably LONG overdue. As far as the readings are concerned, they all come from the Bible, and that ain’t bad.
 
dshix said:
As the previous poster stated, the OF and EF are on different calendars.

The OF cycle is focused like a bible study. If you attend mass every day for three years, the whole bible will be read to you.
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Not quite the whole Bible: Parts of the Old Testament, such as the less known prophets, the complex genealogies, and some of the New Testament, are omitted.
 
opus101 said:
Does it bother any TLM participants that they are not in sync with the universal Church in regard to the readings?
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TLM participants are not “out of sync with the Universal Church.” In fact, there is no such thing as a universal lectionary. The Byzantines have their own, and even within the Latin Church there are more (Ambrosian, for one).

It does bother me that the one Roman rite has more than one lectionary and calendar (would Anglican Use make a third?), though I understand it as a temporary thing. Eventually, this will be fixed, methinks.
 
It does bother me that we have two calendars and two lectionaries.

I think there are good points to both lectionary layouts. The strength of the EF lectionary is that practically everything for every Mass is thematically related, except for Feria days. So for “theme days*,” my idea is that there should be only one cycle of readings to preserve the theme of the Mass, but for Feria days, a three year cycle can be used. The lectionary would thus be the same for both Forms. I think this is the best, most logical way of doing things, but I don’t work for the CDWDS…

*All Solemnities, Feasts, Memorials, votive Masses, etc.
 
Yes there are different readings in the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
 
The OF has different readings from the EF. The Roman OF and EF have different readings from the Byzantine Rite. The Byzantine Rite has different readings from the Coptic Rite. There has never been a rule saying that the whole Church must have the same readings shared in every form of rite each day. 🙂
 
Zekariya said:
The OF has different readings from the EF. The Roman OF and EF have different readings from the Byzantine Rite. The Byzantine Rite has different readings from the Coptic Rite. There has never been a rule saying that the whole Church must have the same readings shared in every form of rite each day. 🙂
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👍🙂
 
anp1215 said:
Is the Old Testament ever read in the EF?
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Yes, particularly on weekends and in Lent. Plus, the proper chants of the Mass are usually taken from the Old Testament. (This is also true for the Ordinary Form, but the propers are almost universally ignored in favor of the Protestant four-hymn sandwich.)
 
aemcpa said:
Yes, particularly on weekends and in Lent. Plus, the proper chants of the Mass are usually taken from the Old Testament. (This is also true for the Ordinary Form, but the propers are almost universally ignored in favor of the Protestant four-hymn sandwich.)
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Well, where I attend the OF Mass, the Propers are chanted every single day… in Gregorian chant and in Latin 😃

(that might explain my lack of interest in finding an EF Mass, but I digress; I consider myself very blessed…).

That said, the propers are mostly (but not always) scriptural. Mostly, but not always, from the psalms. Many of course from the O.T., but many also from the NT including the Gospels. Just having a quick glance through my Graduale Triplex, for instance the introit Quasimodo for the second Sunday of Easter is from 1 Peter, the first Alleluia verse from Matthew, the second alleluia verse from John, the Offertory from Matthew, and the communion antiphon from Matthew.

So it really is a bit of a mix, but rather dominated by the psalms (which of course is OT)
 
aemcpa said:
Yes, particularly on weekends and in Lent. Plus, the proper chants of the Mass are usually taken from the Old Testament. (This is also true for the Ordinary Form, but the propers are almost universally ignored in favor of the Protestant four-hymn sandwich.)
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LOL, well put. :D:D
 
OraLabora said:
Well, where I attend the OF Mass, the Propers are chanted every single day… in Gregorian chant and in Latin 😃

(that might explain my lack of interest in finding an EF Mass, but I digress; I consider myself very blessed…).

That said, the propers are mostly (but not always) scriptural. Mostly, but not always, from the psalms. Many of course from the O.T., but many also from the NT including the Gospels. Just having a quick glance through my Graduale Triplex, for instance the introit Quasimodo for the second Sunday of Easter is from 1 Peter, the first Alleluia verse from Matthew, the second alleluia verse from John, the Offertory from Matthew, and the communion antiphon from Matthew.

So it really is a bit of a mix, but rather dominated by the psalms (which of course is OT)
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You have a choir which can sing the propers for every single day? Wow, that’s some dedication. 😃

I don’t think there are very many choirs that have the time or money to spend time singing EVERY DAY.
 
Different calendar, different reading schedule. It doesn’t bother me.

I do find it interesting that the OP says the the EF is not in sync with the universal church though.
 
dshix said:
You have a choir which can sing the propers for every single day? Wow, that’s some dedication. 😃

I don’t think there are very many choirs that have the time or money to spend time singing EVERY DAY.
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Well, it happens to be a Benedictine abbey, so they have a fair bit of practice. Ora et Labora and all that. It’s actually their day job 😃

They also do Lauds and Vespers in Latin in Gregorian chant, and the other hours in French plainchant (with Latin hymn).
 
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