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Armor_of_Light
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Thanks for the support! I find it difficult to stick to my guns when I see posters that have more posts than I do! Silly, I know…Well, the moral of the story is: stick to your guns
Blessed JPII
I love him and his vast armada of talks and encyclicals.
Anything by Pope Benedict XVI from any part of his life is just sublime and spiritually/intellectually nourishing.
I heartily encourage you to read also encyclicals and talks by Blessed Pope John XIII, Venerable Pope Pius XII and Pope Benedict XV. I have found them all particularly illuminating.
One of my fav’s is “Mater Magistra” by Pope John XIII and Pope Pius XII’s talks range from almost every subject conceivable from federalism to the atomic bomb to…you name it!
And you must check out Pope Paul VI’s addresses on the “Civilisation of Love”. They are incredible!
And, yes…Blessed JPII…I want to call him ‘Saint’ already
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Vouthon
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Its quality that counts not quantity
Remember when JPII died - the crowd shouting “Santo subito!” (saint immediatly!).
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Vouthon
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In Sacred Scripture…
(which does not mean one is not to love all!)
The reason chiefly being I think that the Church is God’s instrument for the ultimate spiritual unity of all mankind, so we must devote special care into looking after the community and building it up for the sake of its gospel of salvation and the common good of the People of God, as well as for the sake of the salvation of all people (which is to be found I hasten to add in the unity of the Catholic Church).
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A particular love is for “the brothers” as “brothers” in the deep Christian sense.
While loving and honoring those outside.
No need for further qualifications
(though I will mention an analogy – A particular love is for my natural brothers of the same family. While I am to love those outside my family too.)
While loving and honoring those outside.
No need for further qualifications
(though I will mention an analogy – A particular love is for my natural brothers of the same family. While I am to love those outside my family too.)
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Vouthon
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From the book in question itself (I actually already bookmarked this page from my last reading, how weird is that lol?):A particular love is for “the brothers” as “brothers”
While loving and honoring those outside.
No need for further qualifications
(A particular love is for my natural brothers of the same family. While I am to love those outside my family too.)
The Church has always invoked both brotherhoods with their very different emphases.
Pope Pius XII also once said this to a group of Afro-American publishers from the United States in the 50s:
**"…All men are brothers in Jesus Christ; for He, though God, became also man, became a member of the human family, a brother of all…" **
Pope Pius XII emphasised this throughout his magisterial and personal writings,
In 1943, Venerable Pius XII, under the captivity of an Italian fascist regime, published the encyclical Mystici Corporis, On the Mystical Body of Christ, which was sent to all Catholic bishops throughout the world.
In it he expressed the joy of Christian unity in the midst of the sorrow of the second world war, how Papa’s “children in Christ…though their countries may have drawn the sword against one another…look to…the loving Father of them all…who carr[ies] in his own heart the cares and anxieties of all.” The Pope hoped that the encyclical would be “acceptable and useful” to non-Catholics as he wrote in it:
all men of every race are united to Christ in the bond of brotherhood.[9]
Here as you can see it is legitimate to say “in Christ” even though it is not specifically talking about Christian brotherhood in the theological sense discussed by Benedict in the book.
The Phillipine hierarchy echoed Pius XII in 1950 in their joint statement at the close of the Holy Year:
**"…The vision which shines through the Papal teaching on the social order is the equality of all men as children of God, the Father, and as brothers in Jesus Christ…" **
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:V3u9JUbtsaYJ:www.cbcponline.net/documents/1950s/1951-holy_year.html+pope+pius+xii+all+men+are+brothers+in+christ&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Thus the Catholic historian Margherita Marchione wrote of Pius:
One has to be careful not to make it look like the Pope in this book was rejecting such magisterial pronouncements in his private capacity as a theologian (he isn’t but it could be misinterpreted as such).
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Bookcat
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I am referring in particular to the usage in the New Testament --among the early Christians.
Not later references to various kinds of ways of being brothers.
Not later references to various kinds of ways of being brothers.
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Vouthon
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A good discussion of this by Cardinal Augustine Bea (who took part in Vatican II and was Pope Pius XII’s confessor):
I tend to find that more liberal-thinking people emphasize human unity whereas more traditional types emphasis Church unity. They are not mutually exclusive
I try to emphasise both, since it would be erroneous to be purely in favour of one or the other as a Catholic.
One has to recognise this. And that’s a book I also encourage one to read side-by-side with the young pope Benedict (to get the full picture so to speak). Cardinal Bea explains how the church works for the achievement of the unity of mankind “even on the purely human level”.
I tend to find that more liberal-thinking people emphasize human unity whereas more traditional types emphasis Church unity. They are not mutually exclusive
I try to emphasise both, since it would be erroneous to be purely in favour of one or the other as a Catholic.
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No problemo
I’m only establishing for the sake of the others the reality and difference between these two doctrines, which have their roots in the Bible, Fathers and the Magisterium.
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They may not be Christians but I would guess that these Muslims are our brothers and sisters in Christ: english.ahram.org.eg/News/3365.aspx
An suicide bomber killed 21 Copts at Mass in Alexandria, Eygpt, on New Year’s Eve 2010. In January of the same year, a drive-by shooting by the same group killed eight people leaving Mass on (the Coptic) Christmas Eve. So when it came to Mass on Christmas Eve 2011, you can understand that many Copts were terrified of a further attack.
When they got to their churches, they found groups of Muslims standing outside the doors of the churches, chanting and holding banners. They were chanting, “if the terrorists want to kill you, they will have to kill us too!” The Muslims were there to act as human shields. The slogan for the groups was, “we either live together or we die together”.
The movement was called “Egypt for All”. The banners had the symbols of the crescent moon and star of Islam but with the star replaced by a cross, as a way of showing solidarity. Millions of Egyptians changed their Facebook profile pictures to this symbol. Banners with that symbol, “Egypt for all!” and pictures of mosques and churches together, were hung up in towns and cities across Egypt. As a result of the bravery and love of the Muslims, Christians were able to attend all the Christmas Masses in peace and safety.
How many of us would be willing to do the same so that Muslims could go to their mosques safely during Ramadan?
An suicide bomber killed 21 Copts at Mass in Alexandria, Eygpt, on New Year’s Eve 2010. In January of the same year, a drive-by shooting by the same group killed eight people leaving Mass on (the Coptic) Christmas Eve. So when it came to Mass on Christmas Eve 2011, you can understand that many Copts were terrified of a further attack.
When they got to their churches, they found groups of Muslims standing outside the doors of the churches, chanting and holding banners. They were chanting, “if the terrorists want to kill you, they will have to kill us too!” The Muslims were there to act as human shields.
The slogan for the groups was, “we either live together or we die together”.The movement was called “Egypt for All”. The banners had the symbols of the crescent moon and star of Islam but with the star replaced by a cross, as a way of showing solidarity. Millions of Egyptians changed their Facebook profile pictures to this symbol. Banners with that symbol, “Egypt for all!” and pictures of mosques and churches together, were hung up in towns and cities across Egypt. As a result of the bravery and love of the Muslims, Christians were able to attend all the Christmas Masses in peace and safety.
How many of us would be willing to do the same so that Muslims could go to their mosques safely during Ramadan?
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Vouthon
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This is a beautiful and touching example of the unity of human nature made in the Image of God bridging sectarian divides, and yes they are true brothers and sisters. God Bless them, it is reassuring to know that such people exist in a modern Egypt that has become so very much a hostile place for Coptic ChristiansThey may not be Christians but I would guess that these Muslims are our brothers and sisters in Christ: english.ahram.org.eg/News/3365.aspx
An suicide bomber killed 21 Copts at Mass in Alexandria, Eygpt, on New Year’s Eve 2010. In January of the same year, a drive-by shooting by the same group killed eight people leaving Mass on (the Coptic) Christmas Eve. So when it came to Mass on Christmas Eve 2011, you can understand that many Copts were terrified of a further attack.
When they got to their churches, they found groups of Muslims standing outside the doors of the churches, chanting and holding banners. They were chanting, “if the terrorists want to kill you, they will have to kill us too!” The Muslims were there to act as human shields.
The movement was called “Egypt for All”. The banners had the symbols of the crescent moon and star of Islam but with the star replaced by a cross, as a way of showing solidarity. Millions of Egyptians changed their Facebook profile pictures to this symbol. Banners with that symbol, “Egypt for all!” and pictures of mosques and churches together, were hung up in towns and cities across Egypt. As a result of the bravery and love of the Muslims, Christians were able to attend all the Christmas Masses in peace and safety.
How many of us would be willing to do the same so that Muslims could go to their mosques safely during Ramadan?
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