Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

[burnside]

I wrote quite some time ago to The Matthew Wright Show in the U.K.and said what i thought.Matthew Wright,a lapsed catholic,didn’t like it.His Channel 5 show tends to be a discussion involving people who have similar “tolerant” views to himself.
In addition to that,i have been letting other people know what i think.Going by a remark he made recently on the Channel 5 Terrestial Channel he seems to be losing out in the ratings war with Jeremy Kyle on Channel 3,also terrestrial.
You can twist their arm regarding the contents of their shows,in these days of Cable/Satellite.In the U.K.Soap Stars are having to take a decrease in their salaries because,due to the increasing number of Channels for people to choose from,the terrestrial channels are not making so much money from advertising.It should be easier to complain because they won’t want to lose any more viewers than they already have.Go on secular Message
Boards,just avoid going in like a bull in a China Shop.Saying what you think on Catholic Answers is preaching to the converted.I come on Catholic Answers to try and make myself better informed so that i don’t make a fool of myself.Consequently,i find
i do ok.In fact,i sometimes find it very frustrating when posters on the Scottish Sunday Mail Forums are initially quite cocky and when i respond they do a runner.At first,i was hesitant about going on these Forums because i thought my knowledge was too limited.However,i have found that atheists don’t really know their Faith either.The difference is that i don’t want to say the wrong thing and then have to backtrack,so if i don’t know the answer i go and look it up.My opponents don’t worry about little details like that.

 

[anon79686166]

Homosexuality seems to have been accepted by most people as a normal, alternative lifestyle choice. The media are continually brain-washing people to think that homosexuality is a natural occurance that is no different from heterosexuality.

I have noticed that there are more and more gay related shows on television. In America, you have The Ellen Degeneres Show, in which the host, a well-known lesbian, frequently uses her show as a platform to promote her beliefs concerning gay marriage, gay adoption, and the gay lifestyle in general. The hit show Will and Grace is another example. This show glamourises the homosexual lifestyle and is designed to make people become more accepting of the gay population. Then there are films like A Brokeback Mountain which tells the story of the lifelong romance between two gay men. I am sure you can think of many other examples. It is my belief that the media is responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality.

Yesterday, I watched a show on British television named Gay to Z. The show is about homosexual teenagers and this particular episode presented a day in the life of a proud and openly gay teen. The worst thing about this show is that the topics of conversation were highly explicit; they talked intricately about gay sex and gay relationships. I was absolutely horrified that they would put this show on in the mornings. A show like this would have been unheard of even ten years ago. It was absolutely disgusting! Shows of this nature are responsible for the gay culture that we now have. Homosexuality now has the respectability that it never had in the past.

If the current trend continues, homosexuality will begin to have an equal status with heterosexuality and may even be taught in schools. The morals of our society will decline, and religious people will be accused of hatred for their beliefs regarding homosexuality.

The media is responsible for the widespread acceptance homosexuality now enjoys, and I think Catholics will be persecuted for their beliefs on homosexuality in the future.

Even this subject heading evokes strong emotions in me. This is ridiculous. The only people who worry so much about this are people who are not gay or people who are and are uncomfortable with it.

I am no different than anyone else on this planet, who I am attracted to - my orientation - is my own business. Yours is your business. There is no “lifestyle” glamorized. Itis reality. The moajority of people know well-adjusted gay people, and we also know some people who obsess over gay people for no good reason. How about using the social justie forum for just that? Focus on the homeless, the hungry, the elderly, infants, etc.

 

[edwest2]

Why are you trying to change the subject? All are called to chastity except in marriage. No one needs anyone’s permission to do what they want behind closed doors but the moment it appears on a ballot, all of society has to examine the issue. Right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want behind closed doors. But the media insists on normalizing something that is not natural and a few small groups also insist society must approve this. Discrimination occurs whenever a law is passed and it occurs in two directions, not just one.

Peace,
Ed

 

[coleraine]

Cherie, I don’t understand your comment. We were discussing the likelihood or improbability of hate speech being declared illegal. How is Sarah Palin related to this topic? And who has the authority to censure her?

no one has the authority to do so. its not as if she speaks out against homosexual marriage at all of her public appearances, but her enemies know that she is against it. they censure her by denouncing her as a person. people who are easily mislead will follow. Then we have a huge army of “stop palin” zombies on our hands.

 

[anon79686166]

Why are you trying to change the subject? All are called to chastity except in marriage. No one needs anyone’s permission to do what they want behind closed doors but the moment it appears on a ballot, all of society has to examine the issue. Right now, around the world, people are doing whatever they want behind closed doors. But the media insists on normalizing something that is not natural and a few small groups also insist society must approve this. Discrimination occurs whenever a law is passed and it occurs in two directions, not just one.

Peace,
Ed

It’s so not natural that many other mammals do it as well. I guarantee you have one or several members of your family that are gay and if you would take the time to get to know them/their partners you may find how “normal” they really are.

By the way, the guy who painted the Sistene Chapel you worship in? He must not have been normal either.

 

[Maxply]

We ARE being forced to accept homosexuality. There’s really not much of a debate on this one.

The real question is whether secular humanism (if you want to call it that) can defend itself against, say, Islam.

Good Christians, of course, will need to go back to living in caves. I’m pretty much one of them: I stopped watching television years ago to avoid the tripe.

And deep inside, I feel the whole pro-sodomite movement just tramples into the dirt our constitutional freedoms.

 

[edwest2]

In response to Post 45:

I have never been to the Sistene Chapel. Heterosexual intercourse is how humans reproduce. This is not possible for homosexuals. Animals do not have human cognition. There is no comparison.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Reminder: All discussion of politics and candidates is limited to the politics forum. All posts in this thread which mention candidates have been removed.

 

[anon79686166]

In response to Post 45:

I have never been to the Sistene Chapel. Heterosexual intercourse is how humans reproduce. This is not possible for homosexuals. Animals do not have human cognition. There is no comparison.

Peace,
Ed

I haven’t either but I am Catholic and Michelangelo of course painted it.

Heterosexual sex is how all mammals reproduce! So what? Like I said, I am not advocating going against Church teaching, but people have to be very, VERY careful not to throw stones and clean out their own closets first.

How do you know that what you think you are being forced to accept is gay sex? The Church has consistently said not to condemn others with the orientation, so I think people focus WAY too much on gay people. Why does everyone care SO MUCH about other peoples’ sex acts?

If it’s not what you think God wants based on a list of prohibitions in the Old Testament that also apply to shellfish and apparently don’t apply to lesbians, even though Jesus said absolutely NOTHING about it, but someone is doing it in their own bedroom, that is between them and God. Shouldn’t we focus on loving our neighbor and feeding the hungry and helping the homeless and the environment and other things you DO have control over?

 

[edwest2]

Gay Marriage? Am I missing something? How about, Beyond Gay Marriage where multiple sex partners are proposed (signed by Gloria Steinem among others)?

Why do you want to distract people from a problem that is designed to get worse? In schools, kids are being told it’s OK to be actively, sexually gay. This is not a one-sided issue.

Peace,
Ed

 

[anon79686166]

Gay Marriage? Am I missing something? How about, Beyond Gay Marriage where multiple sex partners are proposed (signed by Gloria Steinem among others)?

Why do you want to distract people from a problem that is designed to get worse? In schools, kids are being told it’s OK to be actively, sexually gay. This is not a one-sided issue.

Peace,
Ed

Ed c’mon heterosexual people have screwed up marriage good enough on their own. The divorce rate is what is is because of heterosexual people, not gay people. For right or wrong, many heterosexual people have multiple partners (ever heard of swingers)? It has nothing to do with marriage.

 

[burnside]

I guarantee you have one or several members of your family that are gay and if you would take the time to get to know them/their partners you may find how “normal” they really are.

You guarantee it?Well,you would have a hard time guaranteeing it in my family.You would lose a lot of money if you bet on it.Earlier,you spoke of your sex life being your business and yet you can “guarantee” that there are gays in other people’s families.
In addition,it is common practice now for Gays to lump their sexual “struggle” with the problems of the old,the disabled and other vulnerable people in our society.Then,in the same breath,they say they are normal.

 

[KingAlfred]

It will become your business if your children, or young relatives are taught that homosexuality is normal at school. This isn’t about discrimination; this is about the relaxation of morals within society, and the effects this will have on the Church in future generations.

I’m not so sure that’s ‘wrong’.

 

[anon79686166]

RMichelucc;4288622:

I guarantee you have one or several members of your family that are gay and if you would take the time to get to know them/their partners you may find how “normal” they really are.

You guarantee it?Well,you would have a hard time guaranteeing it in my family.You would lose a lot of money if you bet on it.Earlier,you spoke of your sex life being your business and yet you can “guarantee” that there are gays in other people’s families.
In addition,it is common practice now for Gays to lump their sexual “struggle” with the problems of the old,the disabled and other vulnerable people in our society.Then,in the same breath,they say they are normal.

I’m sorry - is there something about a gay orientation that makes it abnormal? Because even the Church says to separate the action and orientation. And keep in touch. We’ll find the gay in your family sooner or later. Probably later because they are so afraid to tell you.

 

[edwest2]

Ed c’mon heterosexual people have screwed up marriage good enough on their own. The divorce rate is what is is because of heterosexual people, not gay people. For right or wrong, many heterosexual people have multiple partners (ever heard of swingers)? It has nothing to do with marriage.

Why are you changing the subject again? What happened between Ellen and Ann Heche? Or Melissa Etheridge and her partner? Divorce is not the topic. Swingers? Another word for fornicators. This was marketed by the media in Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice as soon as the Catholic Legion of Decency was waning.

And now, Gay Marriage is being marketed.

Marriage is a sacrament. Human reproduction requires one man and one woman. Children need stability in the household.

Peace,
Ed

 

[burnside]

burnside;4288715:

I’m sorry - is there something about a gay orientation that makes it abnormal? Because even the Church says to separate the action and orientation. And keep in touch. We’ll find the gay in your family sooner or later. Probably later because they are so afraid to tell you.

I don’t think anyone here has tried to rubbish any person for having the homosexual orientation.What they have been trying to point out is that you should live a celibate life.The use of the word Gay implies active homosexuality.I am 65 years old and,believe me,i didn’t get to be impotent because i didn’t marry the girl of my dreams.It was no more difficult for the priest or homosexual trying to live a celibate life than it was for me.Life can also be rather lonely for the alcoholic who cannot risk even going into a Bar with friends in case he gives way to temptation.In addition,if i am a prejudiced person,which i am not,it is easier for me to pick up on a person’s race or creed than it is to spot whether someone is Gay.

 

[Dale_M]

Human reproduction requires one man and one woman. Children need stability in the household.

Are saying that the rearing of children is the only purpose of marriage?

 

[edwest2]

Are saying that the rearing of children is the only purpose of marriage?

It is the primary purpose. According to Church teaching, impotence prohibits marriage. Speaking on a purely practical level, marriage is the well considered joining of two people who truly care for one another. The act of mutual self giving is not confined to children but that is how human beings reproduce. In the Catholic faith, the parents bring new life into the world to be raised up according to the Word of God. The physical aspect is meant for the marriage bed alone. Not to be distorted by common depictions of indecent and immoral behavior. The stability of the family helps to ensure an environment where the children of the mother and father are cared for and raised physically, mentally and spiritually. It is the duty of the parents to the promise they made before God and man. This sacrament provides grace for the task and life ahead.

It is not easy but anything worth doing in life never is. There will be happy times and sad times. For better or for worse, with faith in God.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Even this subject heading evokes strong emotions in me. This is ridiculous. The only people who worry so much about this are people who are not gay or people who are and are uncomfortable with it.

I am no different than anyone else on this planet, who I am attracted to - my orientation - is my own business. Yours is your business. There is no “lifestyle” glamorized. Itis reality. The moajority of people know well-adjusted gay people, and we also know some people who obsess over gay people for no good reason. How about using the social justie forum for just that? Focus on the homeless, the hungry, the elderly, infants, etc.

We also have to see…some of it right in our front yard…the “in your face” vulgarity of these gay pride parades. Do not think that all homosexuals are silent about their lifestyle. That they want to teach about homosexuality in primary public schools is over the line!!!
Many of the homosexuals and liberal MSM are the ones who do not keep it a matter of ones own business. When it is shoved down the throat of our children in schools where they must be according to law, and when they have these gay pride marches through cities, they are making it my business.

And you don’t know me, so how do you know what I have and do for the homeless, infants and elderly?

 

[anon79686166]

We also have to see…some of it right in our front yard…the “in your face” vulgarity of these gay pride parades. Do not think that all homosexuals are silent about their lifestyle. That they want to teach about homosexuality in primary public schools is over the line!!!
Many of the homosexuals and liberal MSM are the ones who do not keep it a matter of ones own business. When it is shoved down the throat of our children in schools where they must be according to law, and when they have these gay pride marches through cities, they are making it my business.

And you don’t know me, so how do you know what I have and do for the homeless, infants and elderly?

Listen: if you don’t like the Gay Pride march, how about not going into the city that day?

Every group has the right to assemble and celebrate their diversity. Catholics have parades all the time. So do other groups - Mothers Against Drunk Driving have events. PETA. etc. etc. do you see what I am getting at? The KKK has them for goodness sake. Assemblies are legal and nothing is being shoved down anyone’s throat.

In school - the reality is, there are gay people. The reality is, some of your children will realize they have affection for people of the same sex! In schools, where it is acknowledged people of all sexualities exist, it is just a reflection of reality.

The Church and parents can certainly teach the morals of anything they want to children, but health class teaches facts.

Pax