Are We Being Forced To Accept Homosexuality?

[Valke2]

I am not prejudice against any person…but their actions are another thing. Would you be saying I was wrong for calling a murderer a sinner? Why not? Who gave us the law against killing? God Almighty. So, if he says sex outside of marriage is a sin, I need to call those who have sex outside of marriage sinners. I am not allowed to be a Christian if I want to only accept from God the things that are comfortable or happy or convenient to me.

And I am called to love the sinner, while yet hating the sin. And I have no problem differentiating the 2. I have known homosexuals. I have spent time with them. They can be wonderful people, because they are people. And they behave with dignity, and are certainly treated with dignity.
But the moment that they start showing romantic affection, there is a problem…because God says so. Cherie isn’t the one who is saying so…it is God. And I will obey His laws…or I will pay the consequences.

We will reap what we sow. And God is the deciding factor.

There were, of course, laws against murder before Sinai. The essential difference is that laws were always subject to change, depending on the ruler. The laws of God are eternal.

As for obeying his laws, I assume you don’t wear clothing made from different fabrics, that you don’t gather firewood on shabbos?

 

[Wirraway]

They were destroyed because they were evil and wicked. The men wanting to have sex with other men was the one wickedness that we have recorded. Besides that we don’t know.

there was also pliscospapy and slicanticism

 

[Valke2]

I think one has to take into consideration the effect a biblical law has on the dignity of the individual. To prohibit someone from physically expressing their love with someone they are committed to, or to prevent them from entering into a committed relationship, belittles that person.

As a conservative jew, I believe that, when conditions change in a way that produce either immoral results or human anguish, we (the conservative movment) must first look to address the issue through existing halakhic norms (that is under traditional existing jewish law). If this isn’t possible, Conservative Judaism will amend the existing law. This was done, for example, in December 2006, when the Conservative Movement released a responsa that permitted same sex relationships under certain conditions (although still prohibiting anal sex).

When changes are made, they are done with an eye toward preserving halacha so that it remains an effective moral yardstick.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I don’t recall reading that the people of Soddom or Gomorrah were destroyed because they were homosexuals.

Read Genesis 19. It clearly states that men came to Lot’s house and wanted to have sex with the 2 strangers. And Lot offered his two virgin daughters, but they refused.

 

[davidv]

I think one has to take into consideration the effect a biblical law has on the dignity of the individual. To prohibit someone from physically expressing their love with someone they are committed to, or to prevent them from entering into a committed relationship, belittles that person.

God’s law never has a negative impact on the dignity of the individual. God’s law is meant to protect us from evil. Violations of God’s law is what violate the dignity of persons. When physical expressions and relationship violate God’s law, that is what truely belittles a person.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Because it is being pushed on us so hard by the media and society. The acceptance of it is even being forced on my at my workplace, but I’m happy to say that it isn’t working too well for them…

I tend to speak the truth plainly, and let the chips fall where they may. Christ said the world hated him first. I really don’t care if people try to brand me. Brand away! That’s a brand that I WANT to have at my judgement!

Or better yet, go and demonstrate. That’s our right too!

EXCELLENT !!! :extrahappy: :dancing:

 

[edwest2]

Reply to Post 74

Too often, people, especially the young, allow the media to shape their self image, and to accept the ideas it promotes. I encourage all parents to limit their children’s exposure to an immoral and amoral media culture that is going in the wrong direction.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Mea_Culpa]

Actually, we read that the “entire town” demanded to “know the strangers”. Assuming the town was made up of women and men, it seems the sin was rape, not simply homosexuality. Or more generally, the poor treatment of strangers.

Genesis 19:4
But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house, both young and old, all the people together.

Note - all the men of the city. Lot offered is daughters to the mob, but they refused, confirming that their lusts were homosexual in nature.

The homosexual attempts to revise the Bible are ludicrous. The Bible plainly teaches, in both the Old and New Testaments, that homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition and a sin.

True Christians are once again in the position of being a mustard seed, a faithful remnant, in a sea of depravity. We need to hold fast to the truths of Jesus Christ no matter what the world does or says. One of those truths is that homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition, and homosexual sex is a sin. It doesn’t matter if it’s legalized, institutionalized, celebrated, taught in schools, or anything else - we have to hold on to the truth in this and all other things.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Actually, we read that the “entire town” demanded to “know the strangers”. Assuming the town was made up of women and men, it seems the sin was rape, not simply homosexuality. Or more generally, the poor treatment of strangers.

First of all, it says that the men of the town came to Lot’s house. It says that they wanted to have sex with the 2 strangers. But Lot begged them, asking them to take and have sex with his*** 2 virgin daughters***. They did not want the virgin daughters, they wanted what appeared to them to be men.

 

[Valke2]

Genesis 19:4
But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house, both young and old, all the people together.

Note: “all the peoplel together”

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Actually, we read that the “entire town” demanded to “know the strangers”. Assuming the town was made up of women and men, it seems the sin was rape, not simply homosexuality. Or more generally, the poor treatment of strangers.

Genesis 19:4-
But before they went to bed, the*** men of the city ***beset the house both young and old, all the people together.

The Holy Bible, translated from the Latin Vulgate , first published by the English College at Douay, A.D. 1609.

That doesn’t sound to me like the whole town was there. Is sounds to me like all of the men of the city, both young and old went to Lot’s house together.

 

[Dempsey1919]

I think one has to take into consideration the effect a biblical law has on the dignity of the individual. To prohibit someone from physically expressing their love with someone they are committed to, or to prevent them from entering into a committed relationship, belittles that person.

God gave the Jews the law in order to protect and safeguard the dignity of his people; the law in no way prevents men from expressing the love which is acceptable to God.

Biblical law increases the dignity of man because they are living according to the will of the Creator. God prohibits certain behaviours for the benefit of his people. Hashem does not belittle homosexuals by preventing them from engaging in unnatural relations with other men. He wants men to use the sex act in order to procreate and express love to their wives. It was for this reason, and this reason alone, that God gave humanity the pleasure of sexual intercourse.

I believe that, when conditions change in a way that produce either immoral results or human anguish,

All laws cause anguish to those who want to committ transgressions. The law against stealing will cause anguish to a kleptomaniac because this individual has a deep-seated compulsion to steal; and the law against homosexuality will cause anguish to the man who has a deep-seated same-sex attraction. Therefore, should the law against stealing be amended in order to appease kleptomaniacs and career criminals? According to your logic, the answer would be yes. Afterall, the existing law would “belittle” crooks.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

There were, of course, laws against murder before Sinai. The essential difference is that laws were always subject to change, depending on the ruler. The laws of God are eternal.

As for obeying his laws, I assume you don’t wear clothing made from different fabrics, that you don’t gather firewood on shabbos?

What has that to do with this argument? Are you trying to say that God’s laws against murder are irrelevant if I say that yes, I do wear such clothing…or yes, I do gather firewood on shabbos?

Be for real. There are acts against impurity…as laid out by God…that will never change, because of their nature. And God would have to change before the nature of the sin could change. And God is perfect, and therefore can not change.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

there was also pliscospapy and slicanticism

Those words are not in any internet or Webster’s dictionary. Could you please define them?

 

[scapularkid8]

I would just like to politely point out that there is a difference between homosexuality and “being gay”. One is an unchosen mental state, the other is a chosen sexually physical interaction with members of one’s same sex.

One is respected by the Church, one is not. I will not insult anyone here by explaining which is which

 

[Dempsey1919]

I would just like to politely point out that there is a difference between homosexuality and “being gay”.

This thread deals with those who are actively engaging in homosexual activities. Further, this thread is specifically about the gay rights movement which is endeavouring to normalise the homosexual lifestyle through the media. It is my belief that the populations of our nations are unwittingly being forced to accept homosexuality as being equally normal and as good as heterosexuality.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I think one has to take into consideration the effect a biblical law has on the dignity of the individual. To prohibit someone from physically expressing their love with someone they are committed to, or to prevent them from entering into a committed relationship, belittles that person.

As a conservative jew, I believe that, when conditions change in a way that produce either immoral results or human anguish, we (the conservative movment) must first look to address the issue through existing halakhic norms (that is under traditional existing jewish law). If this isn’t possible, Conservative Judaism will amend the existing law. This was done, for example, in December 2006, when the Conservative Movement released a responsa that permitted same sex relationships under certain conditions (although still prohibiting anal sex).

When changes are made, they are done with an eye toward preserving halacha so that it remains an effective moral yardstick.

Forgive me for the question, but does the law condone any kind of sex between people of the same sex? You said anal, but I must ask about oral. Is that permitted?
Somehow, I doubt it. Can you help with the answer?

And the sin comes into it with the actions…sexual actions…which includes intimate kissing. What is a sin for heterosexual unmarried people is a sin for homosexuals also. And physical intimacy is not permissable between people who are not married. And marriage can only be between one man and one woman. God’s law, not Cherie’s.

And sex and procreation are two things inseperable for what marriage is by God made for. How can you say it is a marriage if you are forbidding them to do what God intended for married people to do? And how can you say that they can be married if they can never become parents in a natural way…because they are unnaturaly fitted together?

It seems like a mockery of God’s laws for marriage.

And, lack of procreation is grounds for an annullment.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

God’s law never has a negative impact on the dignity of the individual. God’s law is meant to protect us from evil. Violations of God’s law is what violate the dignity of persons. When physical expressions and relationship violate God’s law, that is what truely belittles a person.

THANK YOU. You have stated it much better than myself, of which I am truly thankful.

God bless you

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Reply to Post 74

Too often, people, especially the young, allow the media to shape their self image, and to accept the ideas it promotes. I encourage all parents to limit their children’s exposure to an immoral and amoral media culture that is going in the wrong direction.

Peace,
Ed

And good luck doing that if you want them to ever be able to watch any television shows!!! My kids are watching Andy Griffith if anything. We mostly watch movies.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Genesis 19:4
But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house, both young and old, all the people together.

Note - all the men of the city. Lot offered is daughters to the mob, but they refused, confirming that their lusts were homosexual in nature.

The homosexual attempts to revise the Bible are ludicrous. The Bible plainly teaches, in both the Old and New Testaments, that homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition and a sin.

True Christians are once again in the position of being a mustard seed, a faithful remnant, in a sea of depravity. We need to hold fast to the truths of Jesus Christ no matter what the world does or says. One of those truths is that homosexuality is a gravely disordered condition, and homosexual sex is a sin. It doesn’t matter if it’s legalized, institutionalized, celebrated, taught in schools, or anything else - we have to hold on to the truth in this and all other things.

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