By this, am I not as “good” as a heterosexual because I have homosexual tendencies?! Certainly not in God’s Eye.It is my belief that the populations of our nations are unwittingly being forced to accept homosexuality as being equally normal and as good as heterosexuality.
We are Catholics, and we have the Old Testament which gives us the same laws which Jesus Christ obeyed when he walked among us 2000 years ago. So the Jewish people do not have more information with which to debate the subject of God’s laws than a Catholic person does.You know you guys are fighting over the Law with a Jew? As a goyim I have learned never to do this. Arguing impurities,REALLY NOT a good idea, and If he brings out the Rabbinic literature thats been mulling God over longer than our church has been around, he can blow you away just listen and learn what the law is and not what we as christians have distorted it to be.
All people are good because they are created in the image and likeness of God. Having same sex attraction does not make you a bad person, but acting on them makes you a sinner in the eyes of God.By this, am I not as “good” as a heterosexual because I have homosexual tendencies?! Certainly not in God’s Eye.
People read what they want to read and change the Bible do match their agenda. No doubt some politically correct, gender neutral, translator changed “men” to “people” somewhere. Truth is blurred and sin justified.Genesis 19:4-
But before they went to bed, the*** men of the city ***beset the house both young and old, all the people together.
Well, is it really unwarranted? Look at the points you made:religious people will be accused of hatred for their beliefs regarding homosexuality…[and] I think Catholics will be persecuted for their beliefs on homosexuality in the future.
“Choice”? A person doesn’t choose to be homosexual, and that’s in the catechism, buddy.Homosexuality seems to have been accepted by most people as a normal, alternative lifestyle choice.
Well, to be fair, homosexuality is a very natural occurrence. Homosexual behavior is reported by animal researchers in close to 1500 species. Homosexual behavior in human beings has existed for as long as we have records. To gay people, it feels totally natural. Just because it’s repulsive to you doesn’t mean it’s repulsive to most people.The media are continually brain-washing people to think that homosexuality is a natural occurance that is no different from heterosexuality.
You have a problem with Ellen? Wow. Her show is about her likes and dislikes - it’s about what she thinks is fun or interesting. And she happens to be gay when the Supreme Court of California came to the conclusion that gay marriage is a right. She got married and then included some of that in her show. Every state in the union, save Flordia, has no problem with gay adoption.In America, you have The Ellen Degeneres Show, in which the host, a well-known lesbian, frequently uses her show as a platform to promote her beliefs concerning gay marriage, gay adoption, and the gay lifestyle in general.
I know, right? Tolerance is so last century. Only blacks, Jews, Muslims, evangelicals, Sikhs, Catholics, hispanics - only they are allowed to have TV shows. Gays? No way. I wonder if you’ve ever even watched a season of Will and Grace.The hit show Will and Grace is another example. This show glamourises the homosexual lifestyle and is designed to make people become more accepting of the gay population.
Have you watched this movie? I’ll comment on it if you’ve watched it, and I highly doubt that you have.Then there are films like A Brokeback Mountain which tells the story of the lifelong romance between two gay men.
I think it’s far more likely that it’s gay people coming out that’s responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality. It’s easy to talk tough here on these forums, Dempsey, where you are safely behind a computer screen and the object of your disdain is on the television. But what about when it’s your best friend, or your husband or wife, or your child, or your boss, or your co-worker? Would you spit in thier face by telling them ‘don’t you make me change my mind about homosexuality by talking about your partner around me!’? I highly doubt it. When a parent is confronted with a gay teen, they realize that there are way worse things to be worked up over in the world; they realize that they mostly just want thier kid to be safe and happy - and if they can do and be gay, then it’s not worth losing thier relationship with thier child. I’ve seen it happen to my very conservative religious parents, and it would happen to you, eventually.It is my belief that the media is responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality.
You’re right! It’s because it’s true. Your Holy Book calls for the execution of gay people. I mean, I could cite a bunch more evidence than that; but I think the most important point is your sacred text would have us murdered. Come on, there’s not much worse hatred than that.religious people will be accused of hatred for their beliefs regarding homosexuality
Of course you are as good as a heterosexual in God’s eyes. But if you act on those homosexual tendencies, you will be in grave sin.By this, am I not as “good” as a heterosexual because I have homosexual tendencies?! Certainly not in God’s Eye.
Not at all. People overcome their prejudices all the time. I find it amusing that the militant homosexual community always tries to hitch their wagon to civil rights.Choosing to accept it, live with it, and pursue relationships with other men or women - that is a choice. But then again, that’s as much a “choice” as growing up and being taught to look down on black people all your life.
It’s the homosexual activity that we see as evil. Unhealthy, too, if you do your research. It’s not technically a choice, it IS a choice. And “reasonable” people want to try to do God’s will, not “get along” with society. They take the long view.Hating homosexuality, as you would us all do, would involve making gay people hate a part of themselves - Yes, it might *technically *be a choice to accept one’s homosexuality, but it’s a choice that most reasonable people would make if placed in that situation.
Not at all. There are many good books out there with many good references as to how perversion is being spread throughout our society by design. The Marketing of Evil is a great one to start with. Very eye opening.Furthermore, I find it telling that you call it “brain-washing.” Have you ever considered that the media is just reflecting society’s views on homosexuality? I think it’s far more likely that reasonable people *first *decided that modern homosexuality was okay; those views spread; and now the media is reflecting them.
You are half right here. I have a problem with the Supreme Court, yes, but Ellen also. She chooses to broadcast her “lifestyle” via television in ways that I find offensive.Your problem shouldn’t be with Ellen, therefore. It should be with the Supreme Court and whoever decided that gays shouldn’t be discriminated against when it comes to adoption.
Careful here. Not all of us worship at the altar of “tolerance”. I couldn’t care less if you find me intolerant or not. It’s God’s opinion that matters, not yours.I know, right? Tolerance is so last century. I wonder if you’ve ever even watched a season of Will and Grace.
Spit in their face? Interesting choice of words. I’ve had this very discussion several times, and I simply tell the truth. If they choose to get mad, that’s their choice, they need to learn tolerance. I would much rather warn people about a behavior that is damaging to both body and soul than try to gain their acceptance or get along. The truth is more important than that.I think it’s far more likely that it’s gay people coming out that’s responsible for the widespread acceptance of homosexuality. It’s easy to talk tough here on these forums, Dempsey, where you are safely behind a computer screen and the object of your disdain is on the television. But what about when it’s your best friend, or your husband or wife, or your child, or your boss, or your co-worker? Would you spit in thier face by telling them ‘don’t you make me change my mind about homosexuality by talking about your partner around me!’? I highly doubt it. When a parent is confronted with a gay teen, they realize that there are way worse things to be worked up over in the world; they realize that they mostly just want thier kid to be safe and happy - and if they can do and be gay, then it’s not worth losing thier relationship with thier child. I’ve seen it happen to my very conservative religious parents, and it would happen to you, eventually.
Do you know that your Lord command them to be killed? Would you murder your own children, as the Bible commands you?Spit in their face? Interesting choice of words. I’ve had this very discussion several times, and I simply tell the truth. If they choose to get mad, that’s their choice, they need to learn tolerance. I would much rather warn people about a behavior that is damaging to both body and soul than try to gain their acceptance or get along. The truth is more important than that.
I don’t just want my kids to be safe and happy. I want them to follow the Lord’s will for them.
Well, is it really unwarranted? Look at the points you made:
“Choice”? A person doesn’t choose to be homosexual, and that’s in the catechism, buddy. Sin is certainly a choice!
a choice between a bright, tolerant worldview or a dark, sinister worldview; between mental stability or mental instability. Hating homosexuality, as you would us all do, would involve making gay people hate a part of themselves - Yes, it might *technically *be a choice to accept one’s homosexuality, but it’s a choice that most reasonable people would make if placed in that situation.
***A handicapped person can hate his handicap, or he can learn to live with it…without sinning because of it. Everyone in life has something. I am divorced…been that way for a long time. I will never have sex again…and I am not even 40 years old. I went through the prime of my life in a divorced state. Any sexual encounter I had was a mortal sin. I have to live with it.
And no, I did not choose to get divorced. I had no decision in it at all. ***
Well, to be fair, homosexuality is a very natural occurrence. Homosexual behavior is reported by animal researchers in close to 1500 species.
Funny, I am an avid animal lover…been to farms, watch animal shows more than any other kind of show on television. I’ve always had animals. I lived on a farm…and I have NEVER seen any animals that were of the same sex having sex. Surely I would have recognized animals having sex, and I have. Surely I could recognize the difference between male and female. So surely it isn’t as “normal” as you imply. Are you including a male dog that would jump on anything?
Homosexual behavior in human beings has existed for as long as we have records. To gay people, it feels totally natural. Just because it’s repulsive to you doesn’t mean it’s repulsive to most people.
It is sin. The act is repulsive to God, just like heterosexual sex outside of the bonds of matrimony. I didn’t write the law, God did.
Furthermore, I find it telling that you call it “brain-washing.” Have you ever considered that the media is just reflecting society’s views on homosexuality?
A select few members of society when you count society as a whole. And if they were reflecting the whole of society’s views, they wouldn’t be discussing it at all.
You have a problem with Ellen? I had a problem when she went public about her sexuality. Who has to come out and publicly say, this is my sexual preference? I like large men…so what? Did you want or need to know it? And what difference does it make when I cannot act on any romantic physical attraction anyway because it would be a mortal sin?
And she happens to be gay when the Supreme Court of California came to the conclusion that gay marriage is a right. That is the point of this thread. People come along, despite what the law says…and rewrites the laws despite what the people say. They are forcing it upon us.
***Will and Grace is vulgar because of the sexual conduct and comments. Even if it were to be totally heterosexual, it would be vulgar.
I know ya’ll are disappointed cuz I had to cut this short, but I have to take my kids to a football game, and then Mass. Talk to you later tonight.***
As you should know, we are not bound by Mosaic law since Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.Do you know that your Lord command them to be killed? Would you murder your own children, as the Bible commands you?
Explain exactly why you would break the law of Moses here. The Lord’s will, clearly, is that homosexuals should be executed, as I quoted below. If you want to follow the Lords will for them and don’t care about their happiness or safety, then you better listen to the Word of the Lord:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. Leviticus 20:13
If that’s not hate, I don’t know what is.
Jesus Christ came to bring mercy and forgiveness. We are not bound to that part of the law, since Jesus came and died and resurrected from the dead. We are bound by many things, but murder is not one of them.Do you know that your Lord command them to be killed? Would you murder your own children, as the Bible commands you?
Explain exactly why you would break the law of Moses here. The Lord’s will, clearly, is that homosexuals should be executed, as I quoted below. If you want to follow the Lords will for them and don’t care about their happiness or safety, then you better listen to the Word of the Lord:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. Leviticus 20:13
If that’s not hate, I don’t know what is.
Separation and State. That is my answer to that. Not everyone is Christian/Catholic/etc. It’s a sad sight to see sexually explicit content in general on television, but I thank the Lord for religious diversity.How do Christians and other concerned individuals meddle in the lives of the gay community? We do not discriminate against them and we never hate the individuals. Although we believe homosexuality is a sin, we are not trying to force everyone to agree with us. We just want them to live their lives in private.
However, the media is forcing the homosexual lifestyle on us by creating shows like Will and Grace. These shows make people more accepting of homosexuality, and undermine the long standing morals of the nation. I respect the rights of homosexuals, but I resent the fact that I am being exposed to offensive and sexually explicit content on a daily basis. Although Christian adults know the difference between right and wrong, our impressionable youth will unquestionably accept the tainted morality that is presented to them via the broadcast media. Shows like Gay to Z are a negative influence; they undermine the morals which good Christian parents are trying to teach their children.
Christians are not forcing anyone to accept their views. The liberal, secular elite are the ones who are trying to shape the morality of our nations; and they are the ones who are discriminating against Christians.
Sure, we should just let partial and incomplete truths be a strength, Geeeeshhhhhh!!!Separation and State. That is my answer to that. Not everyone is Christian/Catholic/etc. It’s a sad sight to see sexually explicit content in general on television, but I thank the Lord for religious diversity.
Ironically Yours.
God’s law calls it a sin. Take it up with God. We are not called to murder anymore. And personally, I can see why the law once said it. Many people would never, and never know homosexual tendencies until after they are molested as teenagers or children. So, in a sense, God could have been protecting the world…just as He did with a number of other things…by ending the offenders life.Do you know that your Lord command them to be killed? Would you murder your own children, as the Bible commands you?
Explain exactly why you would break the law of Moses here. The Lord’s will, clearly, is that homosexuals should be executed, as I quoted below. If you want to follow the Lords will for them and don’t care about their happiness or safety, then you better listen to the Word of the Lord:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. Leviticus 20:13
If that’s not hate, I don’t know what is.
you said it much better than myself. Thank you.As you should know, we are not bound by Mosaic law since Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
As to your last sentence, you are half right. You don’t know what hate is. This was God’s law at the time. Hate is doing repulsive things with your body (which is a gift from God), things that are specifically forbidden. Now THAT is spitting in God’s face. THAT is hate.
good question. should people who put us down and insult us and say that we have no place in society any longer be convicted of hate speech. Cuz let me tell you, I have heard some horrible, HORRIBLE things that people say about Christians.Leviticus was not written by men, but as commanded by God.
The only way open to legalizing Gay Marriage is convincing a small number of lawmakers and by labeling over 2000 years of clear Biblical teaching as hate. Why not just say I want to do what I want?
Every time a law is passed, someone is discriminated against, and it occurs in both directions. Now, the goal is to discriminate against religious people. Is that hate? What is that? In my view, it is simply forcing religious people to accept the will of a few. Should people who say they hate Christians be put in prison?
Peace,
Ed
Firstly, I would never spit in anyone’s face.Dempsey, where you are safely behind a computer screen and the object of your disdain is on the television. But what about when it’s your best friend, or your husband or wife, or your child, or your boss, or your co-worker? Would you spit in thier face by telling them ‘don’t you make me change my mind about homosexuality by talking about your partner around me!’? I highly doubt it.