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buffalo
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Empirical - testable, reproducible, and predictable.
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jean8
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trua,
The topic being discussed is Sexual Perversion which God hates.
How are the passages out of context? Is it because you can’t accept what the Bible clearly teaches?
It doesn’t matter if you disagree with me, however, disageeing with the word of God is serious. Pray about it.
God bless you,
jean8
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Leela
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Hi Jesus N Cherie,
I apologize for messing up your name. I had you confused with a Jean that posted here.
I apologize for messing up your name. I had you confused with a Jean that posted here.
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Leela
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Hi All,
Thanks goodness that the Supreme Court has ruled on Sodomy laws and stated that you can’t make a law against something just because someone claims that “God hates it.” You have to actually have some good reason why something is wrong?
best,
leela
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glenharper
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The Holy Spirit is surely showing us through this thread that homosexuality must be rejected no matter how tempted we are to try it.
Praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord!
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sodak
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Answer my questions, and I’ll answer yours. There are many good reasons. But you first.
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sodak
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Riiiiight. You need to start respecting people’s views here also, I’m seeing a lot of passive-aggressive behavior from you.
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sodak
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Nice strawman. We aren’t being forced to THINK something, we are being forced to publicly ACCEPT something. Why don’t you try reading the thread before posting.
Not discriminate against them, but stop discriminating FOR them. Big difference. And as to your 2nd sentence, you are dead wrong. There is a huge problem speaking out for what you believe, if you think homosexuality is wrong. Open your eyes.
It isn’t even past conjecture…
Almost all of our laws are based on Judeo-Christian morality. Define “some good reason” to us.
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Jesus_N_Cherie
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Leela’s quote “And it is not being forced to do anything? It’s just not being permitted to discriminate. Could an adoption agency decide that blacks are unfit parents and refuse to let them adopt?”
***Jesus N Cherie quote: "Being of a particular race is NOT a sin. There is no sinful action going on in being born black. Just like there is no sinful action being born a woman, Hispanic or Jew.
Homosexuals aren’t sinful, until they commit immoral acts.
So the discrimination is against sin, it is not against a person. Would you allow for a child to be adopted by drug addicts, rapists, murderers? No. Because of the sinful actions carried out by these people. And it would cause damage to the child. In the EXACT same way, homosexuals who are actively sinning would and do cause damage to children. They are forced to grow up without either a mother or a father, and to think that the immoral active sinning is totally moral…and it is not. No two ways you flip the coin, homosexual actions are intrinsically evil, and can never be accepted by people of God."***
***Jesus N Cherie quote: "Being of a particular race is NOT a sin. There is no sinful action going on in being born black. Just like there is no sinful action being born a woman, Hispanic or Jew.
Homosexuals aren’t sinful, until they commit immoral acts.
So the discrimination is against sin, it is not against a person. Would you allow for a child to be adopted by drug addicts, rapists, murderers? No. Because of the sinful actions carried out by these people. And it would cause damage to the child. In the EXACT same way, homosexuals who are actively sinning would and do cause damage to children. They are forced to grow up without either a mother or a father, and to think that the immoral active sinning is totally moral…and it is not. No two ways you flip the coin, homosexual actions are intrinsically evil, and can never be accepted by people of God."***
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Cinette
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We are all born with some sense of right and wrong.
When we look at the human anatomy we see the function of each part of the body. There is one part of the anatomy which is for evacuation of waste - it is a one way street. Some people don’t think so and that is a pity.
However, homosexuality is more than just physical and is very much a consequence of environment, the absence of a Father or Father figure. It is certainly not genetic.
I do not go around telling people that I am a woman - they can see it. I don’t think it is necessary to tell them that I am heterosexual because that is a natural consequence of my womanhood and not their business anyway.
What gets me is that some people with same sex attraction HAVE to advertise it. They even want Gay Olympics etc. I am MAD at them for usurping a beautiful word - gay. In southern European languages it is alegre and fortunately they have left that alone.
Some people have been able to abandon the homosexual lifestyle others are too entrenched.
I would befriend, employ and support homosexual people but they must not intrude into my freedom and lifestyle.
I feel sorry for normal people who have these tendencies and who just want to live in peace and are pressured to let the world know they have this tendency.
One thing nobody can convince me otherwise is that the majority of these people are happy. They pretend to be happy and by coming out in the open they feel “accompanied” - not alone - they feel supported that way. Now they want so-called “marriage” to give them legitimacy and respectability. A cat is a cat, a dog is a dog, - If cats married cats and and dogs married dogs it wouldn’t change a thing!
I am gay and not homosexual!
When we look at the human anatomy we see the function of each part of the body. There is one part of the anatomy which is for evacuation of waste - it is a one way street. Some people don’t think so and that is a pity.
However, homosexuality is more than just physical and is very much a consequence of environment, the absence of a Father or Father figure. It is certainly not genetic.
I do not go around telling people that I am a woman - they can see it. I don’t think it is necessary to tell them that I am heterosexual because that is a natural consequence of my womanhood and not their business anyway.
What gets me is that some people with same sex attraction HAVE to advertise it. They even want Gay Olympics etc. I am MAD at them for usurping a beautiful word - gay. In southern European languages it is alegre and fortunately they have left that alone.
Some people have been able to abandon the homosexual lifestyle others are too entrenched.
I would befriend, employ and support homosexual people but they must not intrude into my freedom and lifestyle.
I feel sorry for normal people who have these tendencies and who just want to live in peace and are pressured to let the world know they have this tendency.
One thing nobody can convince me otherwise is that the majority of these people are happy. They pretend to be happy and by coming out in the open they feel “accompanied” - not alone - they feel supported that way. Now they want so-called “marriage” to give them legitimacy and respectability. A cat is a cat, a dog is a dog, - If cats married cats and and dogs married dogs it wouldn’t change a thing!
I am gay and not homosexual!
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aggiecatholic05
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it is. look at e. coli with a reproduction time of less than 20 minutes an experiment cango through 1000s of generations in a short time.
a colony is grown from a single cell when proper isolation and sterile techniques are used.
it has been studied that if you do a dna profile on a colony then expose it to a new environmental stress that after time most will die, usually some will survive. given time those prppogate. tiny errors in replication give new genomes. eventually one is better suited to the lab conditions.
while this has never created a new species(which would be a better proof) it does show change over time when the results are sequenced and do not match.
since we have the sequence and know what each gene does(much easier due to lacking the whole intro exon thing) we can determine the changes made and know if they actually benifit.
testable, reproducible, and predictable
now for the topic of the thread itself. yes the militant homosexuals and their advocates are pushing their aganda on us. and it is probably going to get worse before it gets better.
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Leela
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Hi Sodak,
If what you mean by accept homosexuality is that homosexuality is legal, then I quess you have to accept it? It doesn’t mean you have to participate in it or say it is a good thing.
And no one ever said that speakoing out for what you believe has no consequences? Freedom of speech means you won’t be thrown in jail or fined for what you say, but you may face other consequences.
“Sufficient reason” is not defined, but we can assume that a certain group of people thinking that it makes God angry is not a good reason? You need to argue that there is some harm to society caused by this behavior that overrides people’s right to privacy.
best,
Leela
Of course I’ve been reading the thread. Can’t we discuss in a civil manner??
If what you mean by accept homosexuality is that homosexuality is legal, then I quess you have to accept it? It doesn’t mean you have to participate in it or say it is a good thing.
And no one ever said that speakoing out for what you believe has no consequences? Freedom of speech means you won’t be thrown in jail or fined for what you say, but you may face other consequences.
The Supreme court has ruled, “the fact a State’s governing majority has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice.”
“Sufficient reason” is not defined, but we can assume that a certain group of people thinking that it makes God angry is not a good reason? You need to argue that there is some harm to society caused by this behavior that overrides people’s right to privacy.
best,
Leela
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Valke2
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kathyw1025
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First of all I would like to start by saying that you get more fly with honey than vinager.
We are all sinners that have fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten son so that who so ever believeths in His will have everlasting life. John 3:16
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
I bring up these 3 scriptures (which we should all know be heart) because sometimes we forget sin is sin.
Luke 6:42 (paraphrased) talks about not removing the speck from your brothers eye until you remove the beam from your own.
In our effort to be righteous, we forget that God doesn’t see any sin as worse than another. Just because homosexuality is a “public” sin, does not give us the right to badger them.
You say then - I don’t want my children exposed to such sin.
It is a fact of life homosexuality exists and your children will eventually see it. It is our job as parents to teach our children right from wrong and pretending it doesn’t exist is irresponcible. Wouldn’t you rather your children experience dealing with differeent people with you by their side to guide them instead of learning about it in college?
I think we are debating the wrong question entirely. The homosexuals are not going to go away or “back into the closet”. However; if we took an effort to remove the sex from our society (both homosexual and heterosexual) it would be an accomplishable task. I personally do not want my daughters exposed at a young age to sex at all. I watch all TV with my daughters so I know what they are seeing. I am also involved with their teachers so I know when an unacceptable topic is being taught so that I can go over it with my daughters first. If public school is teaching your children something you don’t approve of, homeschool. If that is not an option (well I can’t cause I have to work) then don’t complain. If you are not willing and able to change something you see as flawed in the teaching of our young people, then politely be quiet.
Many want to get on their “soap box” but few are really willing to make the sacrifices to change anything.
Homosexuals don’t want the right to be promiscuious or voyaristic; just the right to carry health care for their partner and the right to make medical desicions. Gay marriage isn’t about marriage at all. It is about the freedom to have legal rights to run a household together.
Statistically, the homosexuals who want to be legally partnered are not the ones most would call “flamers” or " dikes". The extremes are what makes most people uncomfortable with the idea not the respectable couple down the street.
The problem is not homosexuality but the over sexed nation we have become. If sex in general was unacceptable, this would not even be a debate at all. I don’t want to see anyone sitting on a park bench making out (male-female; female-female; man- man; transvestite) I would like to protect my daughters from that but it is impossible unless I am going to homeschool them and never let them out of my sight. I can only impower my daughters with the knowledge of right and wrong. I pray every night for my girls to have a hedge of protection and I trust God to keep them safe from harm. Just like when children first start to toddle, we cannot wrap them in bubble wrap (though we would like to) their hearts and minds cannot be bubble wrapped either. If we do our job as parents, our children will be fine.
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
Don’t teach your children to hate the homosexuals (that is what caused the KKK). Teach them to love thy neighbor as thy self and hate the sin but love the sinner. Telling someone they are going to hell for their sin (just saying it not using scripture and doing it with contempt not love) will not “win” any souls. To change someone’s heart we must approach them with love, understanding, and the grace of God (we have all recieved so much of ourselves).
We all have our sins and unless you have never sinned (Jesus) we don’t have the right to condem anyone else for their sin.
We are all sinners that have fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten son so that who so ever believeths in His will have everlasting life. John 3:16
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
I bring up these 3 scriptures (which we should all know be heart) because sometimes we forget sin is sin.
Luke 6:42 (paraphrased) talks about not removing the speck from your brothers eye until you remove the beam from your own.
In our effort to be righteous, we forget that God doesn’t see any sin as worse than another. Just because homosexuality is a “public” sin, does not give us the right to badger them.
You say then - I don’t want my children exposed to such sin.
It is a fact of life homosexuality exists and your children will eventually see it. It is our job as parents to teach our children right from wrong and pretending it doesn’t exist is irresponcible. Wouldn’t you rather your children experience dealing with differeent people with you by their side to guide them instead of learning about it in college?
I think we are debating the wrong question entirely. The homosexuals are not going to go away or “back into the closet”. However; if we took an effort to remove the sex from our society (both homosexual and heterosexual) it would be an accomplishable task. I personally do not want my daughters exposed at a young age to sex at all. I watch all TV with my daughters so I know what they are seeing. I am also involved with their teachers so I know when an unacceptable topic is being taught so that I can go over it with my daughters first. If public school is teaching your children something you don’t approve of, homeschool. If that is not an option (well I can’t cause I have to work) then don’t complain. If you are not willing and able to change something you see as flawed in the teaching of our young people, then politely be quiet.
Many want to get on their “soap box” but few are really willing to make the sacrifices to change anything.
Homosexuals don’t want the right to be promiscuious or voyaristic; just the right to carry health care for their partner and the right to make medical desicions. Gay marriage isn’t about marriage at all. It is about the freedom to have legal rights to run a household together.
Statistically, the homosexuals who want to be legally partnered are not the ones most would call “flamers” or " dikes". The extremes are what makes most people uncomfortable with the idea not the respectable couple down the street.
The problem is not homosexuality but the over sexed nation we have become. If sex in general was unacceptable, this would not even be a debate at all. I don’t want to see anyone sitting on a park bench making out (male-female; female-female; man- man; transvestite) I would like to protect my daughters from that but it is impossible unless I am going to homeschool them and never let them out of my sight. I can only impower my daughters with the knowledge of right and wrong. I pray every night for my girls to have a hedge of protection and I trust God to keep them safe from harm. Just like when children first start to toddle, we cannot wrap them in bubble wrap (though we would like to) their hearts and minds cannot be bubble wrapped either. If we do our job as parents, our children will be fine.
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
Don’t teach your children to hate the homosexuals (that is what caused the KKK). Teach them to love thy neighbor as thy self and hate the sin but love the sinner. Telling someone they are going to hell for their sin (just saying it not using scripture and doing it with contempt not love) will not “win” any souls. To change someone’s heart we must approach them with love, understanding, and the grace of God (we have all recieved so much of ourselves).
We all have our sins and unless you have never sinned (Jesus) we don’t have the right to condem anyone else for their sin.
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buffalo
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We know all about adaptation.
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Leela
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Leela
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If you know about evolution, then why do you say that it is not empirical?
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buffalo
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Please predict for me what humans will look like in the future.
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Leela
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Hi Buffalo,
No one claims that such predictions are possible using evolutionary theory. It’s like saying if the laws of gravity is empirical, then predict when we will first send a man to mars?
Best,
Leela
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Fran65
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Hi Leela,
First off, I believe in evolution. It does not contradict my faith.
However, it is not empirical. It has not and cannot be observed because of its mechanism and the millennia involved. We infer its existence, we have not observed it.
Empirical means learned through observation. It is based on the latin word empiricus which means experienced. Now, I know that you are not claiming that you or anyone else has experienced evolution. Evolution best explains our observations, but it is not itself empirical. If another, better explanation came along then we would go with that instead.
It is therefore different from actually seeing the sun rise in the morning and set in the evening or from seeing an object hit the ground when dropped.
If I said its a theory you will probably start on about creationism and ID, but you and I both know that’s not what I mean.
See?
First off, I believe in evolution. It does not contradict my faith.
However, it is not empirical. It has not and cannot be observed because of its mechanism and the millennia involved. We infer its existence, we have not observed it.
Empirical means learned through observation. It is based on the latin word empiricus which means experienced. Now, I know that you are not claiming that you or anyone else has experienced evolution. Evolution best explains our observations, but it is not itself empirical. If another, better explanation came along then we would go with that instead.
It is therefore different from actually seeing the sun rise in the morning and set in the evening or from seeing an object hit the ground when dropped.
If I said its a theory you will probably start on about creationism and ID, but you and I both know that’s not what I mean.
See?
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