Are we cannibals?

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if we eat and drink the body and blood of jesus christ does that make Catholics cannibals?
 
No; the spiritual substance of the Eucharist is the body and blood of the Lord, but the accidents (material) remain that of bread and wine.

A cannibal is one who eats the actual material of another’s body.

There are many threads on this topic which explain it better than I can; you might check into them.
 
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if we eat and drink the body and blood of jesus christ does that make Catholics cannibals?
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Is Jesus God? If yes, then is His “body and blood” restricted to human DNA? If he was ONLY a human you could argue His body and blood must be human cells, but since He is NOT ONLY human but also God, His body and blood can be of any substance He chooses can’t it? If Jesus had said this tree is my body and grape juice is my blood I’d be chewing on a toothpick and drinking Welches. Actually hasn’t God shown His physical presence in various forms? Let’s see, He appeared as a bush, towers of smoke and fire, a dove, a lamb, human… So anything God says is His body can be can’t it. So thinking that His body and blood must contain human DNA is not correct. He said the bread was His body, He said the wine was His blood. I have enough faith to believe He is truly physically present, body, blood, soul, and divinity in His consecrated Eucharist.
P.S. welcome to the forum
 
forzamilano22 said:
if we eat and drink the body and blood of jesus christ does that make Catholics cannibals?
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I actually love this question, because it can lead to such important understanding.

Let me start by asking, what is wrong with cannibalism? Why is it a bad thing?
 
VociMike said:
I actually love this question, because it can lead to such important understanding.

Let me start by asking, what is wrong with cannibalism? Why is it a bad thing?
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Before beginning this discussion, let me also point out that cannibals don’t eat comedians. They taste funny.

Okay, more seriously: Are you aiming toward the thought that eating a human body violates the dignity of that which the body houses, namely, a human person? Or something close to that?
 
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cpayne:
Okay, more seriously: Are you aiming toward the thought that eating a human body violates the dignity of that which the body houses, namely, a human person? Or something close to that?
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I’m just trying to find out, from the OP or anybody else, why they think cannibalism is something bad. Of course I’m not suggesting it is not bad, but we need to lay out the reasons why we (almost all human beings) think it is bad.
 
forzamilano22 said:
if we eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus Christ does that make Catholics cannibals?
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According to the Roman pagans it seemed to because they said of us that we “eat our god and drown our children.” 🤷

Maybe that has trickled down through the centuries to some folks today.

You might find this article from my blog of interest though.
The Eucharist IS Scriptural
 
I’m starting to get that funny feeling again—you know, when an OP throws out a provocative question and then disappears.

Maybe hearing back from the OP would help that feeling go away.
 
You know, if Jesus tells me to eat his flesh and drink his blood, I’m doing it. I’m much more interested in what my Lord thinks of the process than someone trying to characterize it as cannibalism.
 
Taking a break from my self-imposed fast from CA to respond to this: 😉

A. Cannibals eat dead bodies.

B. Catholics believe the Body of Christ is alive.

C. Therefore, Catholics are not cannibals.

Back into the shadows … 👍
 
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if we eat and drink the body and blood of jesus christ does that make Catholics cannibals?
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No. But lets take the claim at what it is. If we are truly cannibals (in the way that those who make this claim are thinking) then that means that we must be truly eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of the lord. If it is just a symbol and the bread remains mere bread, we cannot be cannibals.

You can’t have it both ways. Either you must deny the real presence, and therefore cannot claim that we are cannibals, or if someone claims that we are cannibals then that person must affirm the real presence of the lord. You can’t deny the real presence, state that Christ is not present in the Eucharist, and then go onto claim that Catholics are cannibals.

God bless
 
Here’s another question. When babies suckle from their mothers, are they cannibals? Why or why not?
 
Roman_Catholic said:
You can’t deny the real presence, state that Christ is not present in the Eucharist, and then go onto claim that Catholics are cannibals.
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Just a point of order here. I think you could, if you consider cannibalism in the moral order and not merely the physical order. You could, for instance, pronounce someone a “meat-eater” because they choose a hamburger, even though it was really, unknown to them, a tofu-burger.

Although, RC, you did use the word “truly” cannibals, so you probably mean both formally and materially a cannibal.

But, I know that’s not really the point of this thread. Just an aside.

VC
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Just a point of order here. I think you could, if you consider cannibalism in the moral order and not merely the physical order. You could, for instance, pronounce someone a “meat-eater” because they choose a hamburger, even though it was really, unknown to them, a tofu-burger.

Although, RC, you did use the word “truly” cannibals, so you probably mean both formally and materially a cannibal.

But, I know that’s not really the point of this thread. Just an aside.

VC
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VC

Yes I meant physically cannibals. I say this because usually the claim is; Catholics are cannibals, not; Catholics think they are cannibals. At least that has been my experience.

God bless
 
Roman_Catholic said:
VC

Yes I meant physically cannibals. I say this because usually the claim is; Catholics are cannibals, not; Catholics think they are cannibals. At least that has been my experience.

God bless
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I follow you RC. But I think to do justice to the accusation (and thus better refute it) we should admit that the charge of cannibalism in the moral order does not necessarily mean one must aver to the Real Presence, if you see what I mean.

A rabbit hole, of course, but I just thought it interesting.
VC
 
Verbum_Caro said:
I follow you RC. But I think to do justice to the accusation (and thus better refute it) we should admit that the charge of cannibalism in the moral order does not necessarily mean one must aver to the Real Presence, if you see what I mean.

A rabbit hole, of course, but I just thought it interesting.
VC
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I guess I don’t see it. 😊 Maybe I just don’t want to do justice to the accusation 😃

If I am a cannibal (or a cannibal in the eyes of the accuser) I must be truly eating the Flesh of the Son of God. If I only think I am partaking in cannibalism, (again how the accusation is claiming that we are cannibals) and am, in the end, only eating bread, then I am badly mistaking, perhaps even partaking in a form of idolatry, but a cannibal I am not. This, to me, is a perfect example (if there ever was one) of having their cake and eating it to.

God bless
 
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