Are we embarked on a Secular Crusade?

[christopher-m]

“From the fury of the Mohammedan, spare us, O Lord.” Supposedly, this prayer was common throughout Europe centuries ago when Islam was on the march with fire and sword.
Today, it appears to me and many other Christians – Catholic and non-Catholic alike – I’ve spoken with that we are in the midst of a new Crusade. However, this latest clash with radical Islam seems to have taken a secular turn, mainly that we can stop the enemy in his tracks with fire and sword. While I believe we have a right and obligation to defend ourselves from assault, I think repeating the prayer above – along with praying for the Truth of Jesus to prevail – will yield a more lasting peace in the long run.
I don’t want this to turn into an anti-war versus pro-war thread, so please, only reply with a list of any acitivities that you and your Christian friends are engaged in to further the spread of Christ’s Love and Peace in this world-wide struggle.
Thanks.

 

[Peacemonger]

“From the fury of the Mohammedan, spare us, O Lord.” Supposedly, this prayer was common throughout Europe centuries ago when Islam was on the march with fire and sword.
Today, it appears to me and many other Christians – Catholic and non-Catholic alike – I’ve spoken with that we are in the midst of a new Crusade. However, this latest clash with radical Islam seems to have taken a secular turn, mainly that we can stop the enemy in his tracks with fire and sword. While I believe we have a right and obligation to defend ourselves from assault, I think repeating the prayer above – along with praying for the Truth of Jesus to prevail – will yield a more lasting peace in the long run.
I don’t want this to turn into an anti-war versus pro-war thread, so please, only reply with a list of any acitivities that you and your Christian friends are engaged in to further the spread of Christ’s Love and Peace in this world-wide struggle.
Thanks.

The way that I try to spred Christ’s love and Peace is by speaking out against an unjust war being carried out in his name by nationalistic Christians.

 

[dumspirospero]

Unjust in your eyes…not by the rest.

Peacemonger:

The way that I try to spred Christ’s love and Peace is by speaking out against an unjust war being carried out in his name by nationalistic Christians.

 

[space_ghost]

dumspirospero:

Unjust in your eyes…not by the rest.

please don’t speak for the “rest”!

 

[gilliam]

“From the fury of the Mohammedan, spare us, O Lord.” Supposedly, this prayer was common throughout Europe centuries ago when Islam was on the march with fire and sword.
Today, it appears to me and many other Christians – Catholic and non-Catholic alike – I’ve spoken with that we are in the midst of a new Crusade. However, this latest clash with radical Islam seems to have taken a secular turn, mainly that we can stop the enemy in his tracks with fire and sword. While I believe we have a right and obligation to defend ourselves from assault, I think repeating the prayer above – along with praying for the Truth of Jesus to prevail – will yield a more lasting peace in the long run.
I don’t want this to turn into an anti-war versus pro-war thread, so please, only reply with a list of any acitivities that you and your Christian friends are engaged in to further the spread of Christ’s Love and Peace in this world-wide struggle.
Thanks.

Anything that reaches out to undeveloped countries to bring them into full participation with the global familiy of nations, IMHO will help avoid clashes of nations.

Activities like the Peace Corps or helping out the victoms of the recent catastrophies.

Also, sending aid to children or families in need in Iraq or Afghanistan will also yield to a more lasting peace.

 

[StJeanneDArc]

When I was a child we always prayed for the conversion of Russia when we said a rosary.

It’s not PC, but I usually include conversion of the Muslims in my rosary prayer intentions. That religion too easily fosters an ideology that Muslims are more worthy than non-Muslims. They also don’t seem to have a concept of freedom of conscience, i.e. forced conversions are just as good as free conversions.

At the political level, spreading human rights and freedom around the globe will go a long way towards fostering prosperity. The most prosperous nations in the world are those that support the greatest personal and economic freedoms, not the ones that get the largest handouts.

So yes, I guess you could say we’re embarked on a secular crusade–one that seeks to spread liberty, justice, and self-determination around the globe. Just look at our primary enemies and detractors: radical Muslims, socialists and fascists. All of these ideologies lead to tyranny.

 

[gilliam]

Actually, if you take notice, the enemy is on a religious crusade that started before 9/11, and has been continuing ever since.

 

[St.James]

christopher-m:

I don’t want this to turn into an anti-war versus pro-war thread, so please, only reply with a list of any acitivities that you and your Christian friends are engaged in to further the spread of Christ’s Love and Peace in this world-wide struggle.
Thanks.

One thing Catholic Americans need to do is turn off their televisions and radios to minimize their exposure to wartime propaganda and use the time that they normally spend being programmed by the boob toob reading scripture, papal encyclicals, the catechism, lives of the saints, and praying instead.

The message of Christ’s Love and Peace will not come through Catholics who spend more time being programmed by neo-con hawks like Limbaugh, Hannity, and those of Fox News than they spend with the teachings of the Catholic faith.

Here is a site where people can listen to Archbishop Fulton Sheen’s talks online:

bishop-sheen.org/

 

[HagiaSophia]

gilliam:

Actually, if you take notice, the enemy is on a religious crusade that started before 9/11, and has been continuing ever since.

Prominent Muslim Author Abid Ullah Jan, the author of "A War on Islam?, in his recent series of articles came to the conclusion that this is not about freedom, not about oil, but about religion - Islam vs. the Christian world. Since is widely known and read, I expect these ideas will have some audience in the Muslim press.

 

[dumspirospero]

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So now we are reduced to Neo-Con hawks…by the way, you know neo-con is an anti-semitic term…but judging by some of your other post, I figure you probably don’t care. What is wrong with Hannity? What is wrong with Fox News? Do you have a problem with the truth?
St. James:

One thing Catholic Americans need to do is turn off their televisions and radios to minimize their exposure to wartime propaganda and use the time that they normally spend being programmed by the boob toob reading scripture, papal encyclicals, the catechism, lives of the saints, and praying instead.

The message of Christ’s Love and Peace will not come through Catholics who spend more time being programmed by neo-con hawks like Limbaugh, Hannity, and those of Fox News than they spend with the teachings of the Catholic faith.

Here is a site where people can listen to Archbishop Fulton Sheen’s talks online:

bishop-sheen.org/

 

[Franze]

I think that the crusade haven´t begun yet, when Europe would be peacefully ocuppied by muslims including Italy, we´ll see better the things, and in many ocassions the western have helped to the ocupation, like Kosovo, where serbians flee, monasteries are destroyed and KFOR soldiers don´t do anything.
If I could I would like to ask several questions to you and there are?
Are we prepared to evangelize muslims?, and the Church?
Do you think that all christians think that islam is worse than christianism?
A pesimistical question Deserve the pity trying to do it? I say because I see in my country and Europe a lot of divorces, abortion and sadness, and muslims have faith.
Why the Pope thinks that the dialogue with muslims is possible and even more necessary than conversion?
I don´t want to be heretical, there are only loud reflexions and I would like answers because I am sad and ashamed, because my country and continent collapse and their religion too, and I don´t see hope. Greetings

 

[HagiaSophia]

dumspirospero:

T
So now we are reduced to Neo-Con hawks…by the way, you know neo-con is an anti-semitic term…but judging by some of your other post, I figure you probably don’t care. What is wrong with Hannity? What is wrong with Fox News? Do you have a problem with the truth?

I can’t help but observe that as surely as night follows day, the generic posters who post in a certain vein , always end up translating their political and social agnda into a form of gnosticism. That is they have a knowlege and understanding of the gospels/Christ and the church that others do not have.

 

[dumspirospero]

Amen Hagia…you said it right.

HagiaSophia:

I can’t help but observe that as surely as night follows day, the generic posters who post in a certain vein , always end up translating their political and social agnda into a form of gnosticism. That is they have a knowlege and understanding of the gospels/Christ and the church that others do not have.

 

[geezerbob]

HagiaSophia:

I can’t help but observe that as surely as night follows day, the generic posters who post in a certain vein , always end up translating their political and social agnda into a form of gnosticism. That is they have a knowlege and understanding of the gospels/Christ and the church that others do not have.

I have also observed that they (now three, I think) are constantly accusing others of putting words into their mouths, then they themselves take a post and twist it around to mean something other that what was obviously intended. One in particular seems to think that he is God incarnate. This opinion is based on the speed with which he passes judgement on other posters.

Methinks the bunch, who profess to be better Catholics and/or Christians than the rest of us sinners, need to be reminded of what the bible has to say about that little evil part of the body called the tongue.

 

[La_Chiara]

HagiaSophia:

I can’t help but observe that as surely as night follows day, the generic posters who post in a certain vein , always end up translating their political and social agnda into a form of gnosticism. That is they have a knowlege and understanding of the gospels/Christ and the church that others do not have.

Oh, name names! Why do we always protect the guilty? Never mind, most of us know of whom you refer.

 

[St.James]

dumspirospero:

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General reminder:

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[St.James]

dumspirospero:

So now we are reduced to Neo-Con hawks…by the way, you know neo-con is an anti-semitic term…but judging by some of your other post, I figure you probably don’t care. What is wrong with Hannity? What is wrong with Fox News? Do you have a problem with the truth?

I find it incredible that in the context of a Catholic discussion group that someone would find objectionable a suggestion to spend less time watching televised propaganda and more time studying the teachings of the church.

dumspirospero:
What is wrong with Hannity? What is wrong with Fox News? Do you have a problem with the truth?

I can’t believe that it’s necessary to have to say this but Hannity and Fox news are not the source of Christain truth. The Catholic church is.

If there’s anyone who needs to heed my advice it’s you in light of this astounding comment.

 

[dumspirospero]

No…you denounce Hannity and Fox News…what do you suggest as a “Christian Truth”?
St. James:

I find it incredible that in the context of a Catholic discussion group that someone would find objectionable a suggestion to spend less time watching televised propaganda and more time studying the teachings of the church.

I can’t believe that it’s necessary to have to say this but Hannity and Fox news are not the source of Christain truth. The Catholic church is.

If there’s anyone who needs to heed my advice it’s you in light of this astounding comment.

 

[StJeanneDArc]

St. James:

I find it incredible that in the context of a Catholic discussion group that someone would find objectionable a suggestion to spend less time watching televised propaganda and more time studying the teachings of the church.

I can’t believe that it’s necessary to have to say this but Hannity and Fox news are not the source of Christain truth. The Catholic church is.

If there’s anyone who needs to heed my advice it’s you in light of this astounding comment.
We’ve digressed. Why are you so sure that that other posters believe that Hannity and Fox news are the souce of Christian truth? Instead of suggesting that others are poor Christians, why don’t you refute the arguments?

 

[St.James]

StJeanneDArc:

We’ve digressed. Why are you so sure that that other posters believe that Hannity and Fox news are the souce of Christian truth?

I must say say that when someone associates Sean Hannity and Fox News with “the truth” in the context of a Catholic discussion group that raises a flag.

Perhaps it’s me.

How would you respond to this comment?

dumspirospero:

What is wrong with Hannity? What is wrong with Fox News? Do you have a problem with the truth?