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Faith1960
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But what about the “signs” some people insist are upon us?
Are we in the last days?
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The_Reginator
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Does this really matter?
The one definite thing we know is that each and every one of us is going to die.
Soon.
If the Lord should come before we die, we still have to be ready. “Same difference” as we used to say.
We have to ‘work out our salvation in fear and trembling’. We have to do our part to be instruments of salvation for others too.
Time spent in prayer and Adoration as well as receiving the sacraments is a good use of our time compared to studying the “signs”.
If some people think that they can see “the signs”, well I frankly do not care. I have to take better care of my spiritual life. I have to love God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength. THAT is all that I need to concern myself with.
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Faith1960
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But do you see these occurrances as “signs” the “end is near?”
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4Horsemen
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In every century, people thought the Lord was coming back to judge the world soon, including Jesus’ disciples in the 1st century. Followers in every generation have concluded that the evil they saw happen all around them must be a sign. However, each time period had its own evils. In various native cultures, human sacrifice was the evil of the day. Of course we can say of our own generation that evil seems to outweigh the good. Think of the 20th century with so little respect for human life before and aftter birth. Consider the great wars, the Holocaust, the brutal bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (whether “necessary” or not). Then consider the eruption of conflict all around the world especially in the MId-East. What about the centuries when one culture tried to devour another through religious persecution? It’s still happening today.
As mentioned above, Jesus said that only the Father knows the time of the end,
Mk 13:32 - “32” But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Since Jesus is God, as God He, of course, knows the times and the end of time. In His flesh as a human being, He “who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” (Phil. 2,6).
As for noticing signs (watching the “fig tree”), I think it means to take note of how the world seems to be in preparation for one-world government, which would open the way for the Antichrist. Not everybody believes that the Antichrist is a person, but the bible seems to point to this possibility.
From Wikipedia:
The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, is a leader who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ, while resembling him in a deceptive manner. The antichrist will seemingly provide for the needs of the people but deny them ultimate salvation.
The term “antichrist” appears five times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and four times in the singular.[1] The Apostle Paul’s Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, in particular the 2nd chapter, summarizes the nature, work, coming, and revelation of the “Man of Sin” - a passage often regarded as referring to same person as the antichrist of 1 and 2 John.
As mentioned above, Jesus said that only the Father knows the time of the end,
Mk 13:32 - “32” But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Since Jesus is God, as God He, of course, knows the times and the end of time. In His flesh as a human being, He “who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” (Phil. 2,6).
As for noticing signs (watching the “fig tree”), I think it means to take note of how the world seems to be in preparation for one-world government, which would open the way for the Antichrist. Not everybody believes that the Antichrist is a person, but the bible seems to point to this possibility.
From Wikipedia:
The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, is a leader who fulfills Biblical prophecies concerning an adversary of Christ, while resembling him in a deceptive manner. The antichrist will seemingly provide for the needs of the people but deny them ultimate salvation.
The term “antichrist” appears five times in 1 John and 2 John of the New Testament — once in plural form and four times in the singular.[1] The Apostle Paul’s Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, in particular the 2nd chapter, summarizes the nature, work, coming, and revelation of the “Man of Sin” - a passage often regarded as referring to same person as the antichrist of 1 and 2 John.
The_Reginator
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God only knows. If he should choose to reveal to his Church that some “occurrences” show that the end is near then I will know what to believe.
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beehumble
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Not exactly. We are our brother’s keeper. In these days, the time of the end, many who once believed have fallen away. Those of us who believe and see the signs of the end that Jesus said would occur (and are occurring now in our day ) and those who have converted back to the Gospel because of the signs - those in the light - have a duty to our brethren in the dark - those who have fallen and those who never knew the love of Christ. We are to offer prayer and sacrifice for them to help them see the light. We are to try to awaken them from their slumber so they too will be awake when the thief comes in the night.
God bless you.
The_Reginator
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But that was just as true a thousand years ago as it is today.
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BrunoMaria
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Nobody knows but The Father
as Jesus told us in Mk 13.32 - as we know of Jesus’ own words:
“But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
So, what are we pondering about a thing we’ll never know?
Yours
Bruno
as Jesus told us in Mk 13.32 - as we know of Jesus’ own words:
“But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
So, what are we pondering about a thing we’ll never know?
Yours
Bruno
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Hiskid1973
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Lk21/Matt. 24 are interesting chapters along with others…Are we not to discern the times and watch and pray…Damascus will be a ruininess heap one day and the little piece of real estate that Jesus returns to is now a scorn/stumbling block of the nations…When are we told to look up for our redemption draws neigh…Just a few thoughts whether you believe it or not…
The_Reginator
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Here’s an old related thread on the subject:
Roman Catholic end times
( forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=198461 )
I only read the first page. The first response refers to the appropriate section in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
[ ARTICLE 7
“FROM THENCE HE WILL COME AGAIN TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD”
I. HE WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY](Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 7)
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jsaldar
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Only God knows, so relax and live a good catholic life. If it’s tomorrow you will have nothing to fear if it’s in 100 years you won’t even be here anymore. No point in worrying.
The_Reginator
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Only God knows, so relax and live a good catholic life. If it’s tomorrow you will have nothing to fear if it’s in 100 years you won’t even be here anymore. No point in worrying.
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BVM_1221
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Opinion: We have been in the Last Days since Jesus died.
This means that people have been pointing to all the prophecies that are being fulfilled, and have been in the ongoing process of being fulfilled, for over 2,000 years now:coffeeread:
Everyone who wants to has my permission to worry about the last days. Me? I have cats to feed, birds to feed, and fish to feed. Plus LOTH:shrug:
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Hiskid1973
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We are not to be worried but looking up…He has a crown for those loving His appearing.
When we recognize these things going on we are to watch and pray all part of living a godly life. There is a point in time where that “generation” will see His return…
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JerrySeibert
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For none know, not the Son but, only the Father.
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GEddie
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Boy would I trip the light fantastic if even 10% chance of seeing HIM while I can breathe!!!
But based on the historical record of those predicting HIS return based on current events, I can see no compelling reason to get fitted for a white robe as yet.
ICXC NIKA
But based on the historical record of those predicting HIS return based on current events, I can see no compelling reason to get fitted for a white robe as yet.
ICXC NIKA
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GEddie
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Damascus is not a heap of ruins, nor is there any reason to believe that will happen foreseeably.
We should not become so enamored of destructive/punitive prophecy that our interest becomes schadenfreude.
God Bless and ICXC NIKA
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Hiskid1973
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Just curious, do you believe the nation of Israel will be there when Christ returns to set foot on the Mt.
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GEddie
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I’d say yes, however, nations are rather long-lived entities. There’s no reason the State of Israel should not endure as long as England, France, etc.
IOW, it’s existence in the now does not mean HE’s already saddling up HIS white horse.
God Bless and ICXC NIKA
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Hiskid1973
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Is it be enamored to watch/pray /discern the times/seasons? Not sure about the
“schadenfreude” part.
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