Are we losing the evangelization race to Protestants?

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Yes indeed. I often don’t even feel like I am in a Roman catholic Church…
If you’re living in or near a major urban area, there should be at least one Eastern Catholic parish around. The Divine Liturgy on offer there will most likely be far superior to the stereotypical Novus Ordo Mass. Here’s a YouTube playlist no Christian of any Church or denomination should miss out on. 🙂
 
It’s up to God to determine who is considered quality and who is not. Not us. There are a lot of hurting people waiting to hear the good news.
Of course the Church should be accessible, but I don’t think accessibility to new members means much unless the Church prepares and informs them properly over a given amount of time before they join. And even though it’s beyond their ability to know who is truly sincere, priests are responsible for making sure people seem genuine and informed before being initiating them into the sacraments.
 
Agree 100%. It is not seen as fashionable to be a Catholic but so what? Roman Catholicism has much to be pround of in music, art and history and of course being the Chruch of the first Christians. “One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”
Why do we need to “change with the times” or “appeal to young people”? As the saying says, the more you try to please everybody you please nobody. Leave all the happy clappy music, “Christian Rock” and motivational workshops masquerading as services to the Pentecostals and Evangelicals.
The Roman Catholic history is much richer.👍
Sir I beg to disagree.

What is the purpose of having a rich history and a illustrious culture when adherents constantly move out. The point of culture and communion is having someone to share it with.

This is not about fashion (seriously!) but EVANGELIZATION. In the Philippines no clergy, no bishop, ONLY laity are visible in evangelization efforts.

And it is not only the Protestants that are good at it, Muslims too. Filipino Protestants and Muslim are proud of their faith and will really take it to “share” the experience to infidels. There is absolutely NO initiative from the clergy to do so, other than to “evangelize” the already evengelized Catholics.

Some of the humble laity here in the Philippines are seeing it that all the scandals around the world are a result of idleness. Remember the saying, “an idle mind, is the devil’s playground.” Clergy especially the bishops, please do what Jesus EXPLICITLY commanded you to do, EVANGELIZE!
 
" In the Philippines no clergy, no bishop, ONLY laity are visible in evangelization efforts."

At my US parish the general attitude is that evangelizing is the laity’s job.
 
Sir I beg to disagree.

This is not about fashion (seriously!) but EVANGELIZATION. In the Philippines no clergy, no bishop, ONLY laity are visible in evangelization efforts.

Some of the humble laity here in the Philippines are seeing it that all the scandals around the world are a result of idleness. Remember the saying, “an idle mind, is the devil’s playground.” Clergy especially the bishops, please do what Jesus EXPLICITLY commanded you to do, EVANGELIZE!
Well what about all the Bishops in the Philippines which are railing against the Reproductive Health Bill, which is being funded by American secularist and liberal groups like Planned Parenthood?

I mean, I’m not from the Philippines… but I’ll call people out for making anti-clerical attacks ANYWHERE, and that sounds like what you’re doing to me. The Philippines is the only country outside the Vatican where divorce is illegal… and annulments are the only thing that is legal. Y’all have very little access to contraception, and of course abortion is illegal in all circumstances… so wouldn’t you say that the Church leadership there is at least somewhat responsible for all of this?

Anyways, the last part that I’m quoting of yours sounds like the age old attack on the clergy… “they’re idle, therefore their idleness leads to abuse”. Well… from what I’ve observed I think it’s near impossible for a priest to be idle. They have a ridiculous amount of things that are on their plate. I can only imagine that to be MORE TRUE in a country with a lot of Mass going Catholics.

How many confessions do priests hear a week in a country [The Philippines] where a Parish Church has 10 or 11 Masses on Saturday and Sunday?​

I might comment on the overall question of the thread that how many converts can Protestants gain in a country where they visit for a few weeks or a few months as a Missionary, and the Catholic Church has all native-born priests and Bishops? Just saying… in many countries Protestant evangelism looks a little more like colonialism from America’s Bible Belt, whereas Catholicism has really always been about the local Church.
An established local Church is normally more fruitful than the actions of missionaries alone… and the Catholic Church has a lot more of those than Protestants do.
 
Sir I beg to disagree.

What is the purpose of having a rich history and a illustrious culture when adherents constantly move out. The point of culture and communion is having someone to share it with.

This is not about fashion (seriously!) but EVANGELIZATION. In the Philippines no clergy, no bishop, ONLY laity are visible in evangelization efforts.

And it is not only the Protestants that are good at it, Muslims too. Filipino Protestants and Muslim are proud of their faith and will really take it to “share” the experience to infidels. There is absolutely NO initiative from the clergy to do so, other than to “evangelize” the already evengelized Catholics.

Some of the humble laity here in the Philippines are seeing it that all the scandals around the world are a result of idleness. Remember the saying, “an idle mind, is the devil’s playground.” Clergy especially the bishops, please do what Jesus EXPLICITLY commanded you to do, EVANGELIZE!
I agree. I am not opposed to evangelization per se but there is a fine line between sharing/evangelizing and watering things down in order to be all things to all people.
 
I have a particular interest in Muslims who convert to Christianity and in particular Catholicism due to having Muslim friends. I was reading an article on how 6 million Muslims a year convert to Christianity in Africa. I was just wondering how many of those were Catholic vs Protestant. I Dnt really hear that much about Catholic evangelization, but that’s all I ever heard as a Protestant. Do we Do it like the Protestants do and I just Dnt notice?
Sometimes a picture is worth 1,000 words… so I thought these would shed some light at least to the OP’s question.
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This is just Christianity vs. Islam in general in Africa
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Non-Catholic Christians are more visible evangelists in some ways. The guys at Living Waters come to mind. Catholics evangelize simply by going to Mass on Sunday, but I know - we could do alot more, myself especially.

That said, because I see so many non-Catholic Christians coming into the Catholic Church, and because I’m hopeful that this trend will only accelerate in the future, I feel like evangelicals ARE bringing people to the Catholic Church. Evangelicalism seems to me like an entry point to Christianity, but I guess I wonder how long inquisitive people who long for authority and unity actually remain there.
 
I have a particular interest in Muslims who convert to Christianity and in particular Catholicism due to having Muslim friends. I was reading an article on how 6 million Muslims a year convert to Christianity in Africa. I was just wondering how many of those were Catholic vs Protestant. I Dnt really hear that much about Catholic evangelization, but that’s all I ever heard as a Protestant. Do we Do it like the Protestants do and I just Dnt notice?
We do it differently, especially in Africa. Protestants got a bit of a head start on Catholics in Africa with one method, but Catholics have nearly caught up on the continent as a whole with a different method. In summary of the two methods, Protestant missionaries do evangelization and church planting. Catholic evangelization consists largely of establishing primary schools where nuns teach children to be Catholic, among other things, then they grow up and maybe stick with it. It’s still a little early in the process, so it’s hard to say how well that will work out long-term in what is generally an even more competitive environment than in America. We mostly stay away from your strategy, and you mostly stay away from ours.

Are we doing it differently? Oh yeah. Are the Protestants winning? It’s complicated. Probably by a little for now, and it’s hard to say what will happen long-term. All anyone can do is guess. There’s so many unpredictable things that it would depend on.
 
Are we doing it differently? Oh yeah. Are the Protestants winning? It’s complicated. Probably by a little for now, and it’s hard to say what will happen long-term. All anyone can do is guess. There’s so many unpredictable things that it would depend on.
Six have you changed your prediction in the last couple days…
Jesus did not pray for the elimination of all Christian faith-groups save one. He also did not pray that all would be united in Peter. He prayed that we would be one as He and His Father are one. His prayer is not your goal. You have a different goal, and Jesus’ prayer for unity is a pretext. You shouldn’t use it as a pretext, you should make it the real goal.

You just might live to see the day when less than 50% of Christians in the world are Catholic. I believe you will- and I hope that I live to see the day when Protestants, Evangelicals, and Independents outnumber the Catholic Church by themselves. I also have a prediction for the ongoing discussions between Catholic bishops and Orthodox bishops. In about 25 years, your bishops will begin to wonder why they aren’t making the progress they’d hoped for. And in about 100 years, Catholics will look back on what’s happening now, wonder why it didn’t work, and look for the things that were done right- but mostly, they’ll look for the lessons they can learn as far as what not to do. The Schism will still be a Schism 200 years from now and well beyond that, too. Catholicism needs to drop to less than 30% of Christianity’s market share before Rome will make the concessions that it needs to make.

This is not realistic- Catholicism will lose percentage points in the next 50-100 years, not gain them. And wolves, really? You don’t live in Eastern Europe, do you? Wait- unless the wolves are really people, and those people are…non-Catholic Christians who enjoy comparative success in engaging young people with religion, including Catholic children? Is that where you’re going with it?
 
Six have you changed your prediction in the last couple days…
This is specific to Africa. In general, Catholics are losing the overall evangelization race. But in Africa, it’s more of a toss-up. Things could open up for you in southeast Asia at some point, too, but that’s another place where we have a head start on you.

Africa is the place you’re doing best, and America and Africa together are the places we’re doing best. Europe is bad for both of us, the Americas in general are bad for you, and there’s more immediate upside for us in the most populous parts of the globe. Overall, Protestants are gaining ground on you and leaving the Orthodox even further behind. But for Africa, taken on its own, my summary is something like what it is there.
 
Africa is the place you’re doing best, and America and Africa together are the places we’re doing best. Europe is bad for both of us, the Americas in general are bad for you, and there’s more immediate upside for us in the most populous parts of the globe. Overall, Protestants are gaining ground on you and leaving the Orthodox even further behind. But for Africa, taken on its own, my summary is something like what it is there.
I will continue to pray that evangelization is no longer a competition and misunderstanding among Christians but rather love, compassion and understanding.

Peace Brother!!!
 
I will continue to pray that evangelization is no longer a competition and misunderstanding among Christians but rather love, compassion and understanding.

Peace Brother!!!
Soon as you stop believing all Christians must be converted to Catholicism, we’ll be there. Recall that Protestants of almost any denomination are able to demonstrate quite readily that they can work well with others. When we see a sufficient amount of that from Catholics- specifically, when Catholics can generally bring themselves to evangelize alongside Protestants- I’m sure you’ll be able to join us. We do the para-church thing quite well, and we’re not the ones who are stopping you from standing together, working together, back to back, strengthening each other, serving each other, building the kingdom of God. So until you’re able to do that with Christians outside your own specific denomination, we’ll just have to show you how it’s done. Here’s hoping you can join us one day- not in the sense of a patch over, but in the sense that you can evangelize with non-Catholics.
 
Soon as you stop believing all Christians must be converted to Catholicism, we’ll be there. Recall that Protestants of almost any denomination are able to demonstrate quite readily that they can work well with others. When we see a sufficient amount of that from Catholics- specifically, when Catholics can generally bring themselves to evangelize alongside Protestants- I’m sure you’ll be able to join us. We do the para-church thing quite well, and we’re not the ones who are stopping you from standing together, working together, back to back, strengthening each other, serving each other, building the kingdom of God. So until you’re able to do that with Christians outside your own specific denomination, we’ll just have to show you how it’s done. Here’s hoping you can join us one day- not in the sense of a patch over, but in the sense that you can evangelize with non-Catholics.
Ain’t gonna happen. Catholics and Orthodox don’t believe in compromising truth (i.e., theological relativism) as do some modern-day Protestants. Luther and Calvin would be appalled to hear the ideas you have expressed in this post.

This conversion story of a Protestant turned Eastern Orthodox is apropos here: one of his struggles was with Christians of different denominations setting aside their ostensibly minor differences to conduct evangelization in third-world countries.
 
Ain’t gonna happen. Catholics and Orthodox don’t believe in compromising truth (i.e., theological relativism) as do some modern-day Protestants. Luther and Calvin would be appalled to hear the ideas you have expressed in this post.

This conversion story of a Protestant turned Eastern Orthodox is apropos here: one of his struggles was with Christians of different denominations setting aside their ostensibly minor differences to conduct evangelization in third-world countries.
It’s neither fair nor accurate for you to look at someone who declines to say “I follow Paul” or “I follow Apollos”- instead saying “I follow Christ”- and declare this position to be theological relativism. I don’t know why you would struggle with the fact that Protestants can work so well together, including and especially on the mission field. It’s something you should be envious of. And even if you’re not, you will eventually have to accept the fact that it’s somewhere in the future for your church.

We are showing you a good example of something that you should try to live up to. We are getting it done in a good way, and you are trenchant in your insistence that you do it the wrong way. If you want to get it right and come join us, you’re welcome to it. But since you insist on eliminating all alternatives except for competition- excuse me, let me check on that. Are there any other options you would entertain? Oh, I see, the only outcome you’ll fully accept is one in which there are no “other” Christians for you to compete with because they all decided to convert to Catholicism. That’s lovely, and quite cheeky of you. In that case, game on, baby.
 
Soon as you stop believing all Christians must be converted to Catholicism, we’ll be there. Recall that Protestants of almost any denomination are able to demonstrate quite readily that they can work well with others. When we see a sufficient amount of that from Catholics- specifically, when Catholics can generally bring themselves to evangelize alongside Protestants- I’m sure you’ll be able to join us.
Protestants are gaining ground on you and leaving the Orthodox even further behind…
If I put these two quotes in the same post, maybe you you will see how inconsistant you are. Six, in the end your concept will be flawed when you speak of…
…process not very much unlike any given academic process whereby something like scientists or historians determine what is accepted in their field and what is not. Experts work together in something less like a Council and more like a Society that largely consists of people (experts) writing things and reviewing each others’ work, and through this process,…
There is only ONE truth and its not going to be reveiled from society negotiating their wants.

Just my opinion, but if the atitude displayd in the first 2 quotes above would changed, there would be no need to reinvent the wheel, so to speek. If not, you will first have to show much better, how protestant groups ARE working closely together. You might have a better chance selling this idea if each denomination within Protestantism show this unity first.

Peace and Blessings!!!
 
Given the nature of this thread, I recall what the Church teaches about its own future.

The Church’s ultimate trial
675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.
In the end, we will lose the evangelization race. In those times, this loss of believers will actually confirm our truth rather than inform our error.

But, I suspect that we are a long long long way from the end times.

Pax!
 
Given the nature of this thread, I recall what the Church teaches about its own future.

The Church’s ultimate trial

In the end, we will lose the evangelization race. In those times, this loss of believers will actually confirm our truth rather than inform our error.

But, I suspect that we are a long long long way from the end times.

Pax!
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If I put these two quotes in the same post, maybe you you will see how inconsistant you are. Six, in the end your concept will be flawed when you speak of…There is only ONE truth and its not going to be reveiled from society negotiating their wants.
You got “negotiating their wants” out of that? Really? Is something the matter with you? See if you can misinterpret that, too.
Just my opinion, but if the atitude displayd in the first 2 quotes above would changed, there would be no need to reinvent the wheel, so to speek. If not, you will first have to show much better, how protestant groups ARE working closely together. You might have a better chance selling this idea if each denomination within Protestantism show this unity first.
Peace and Blessings!!!
Unity among Christians from different denominations is hard, but we are working on it. It’s not something that you back into by being lazy, and it doesn’t happen by accident. Para-church organizations and inter-denominational evangelism and missions is the start. Mainline churches are approaching the end of a process whereby they come to an agreement on the RP and any of their priests/ministers can lead a service and administer Communion at any of the other mainline churches. And then there’s the thing I described- more of a long term goal that you so terribly summarized as “negotiation of wants.” Really, that assessment was just terrible. I compared it to the process of peer-review by experts in fields like science or history. Do you have a decent education? Are you familiar with how academia works? Do you understand that it’s not a negotiation of wants, but a process by which experts determine what can be demonstrated as truth and what cannot? It’s a process that works, by the way. We’re working on that and while it does need to be tightened up some- and while it may take some time to grab headlines and really rise to prominence- it’s coming along. But that’s for us to focus on right now and for you to really notice at a later time.
 
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