Are white supremacists bad people?

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Hello CAFers,

I did ponder a bit on whether to put this topic on the Spirituality forum or here. There has been a lot of talk about people who prefer their own race and condemn the outgroup, the people labeled as “racists” and “white supremacists”.

Are such people bad?

Are not all people loved by God, is not God within all his creatures?

Thanks for your responses. 🙂
 
We shouldn’t judge whether someone is a “bad person.” We don’t really know what’s going on in their heart or how culpable they are. It’s possible that they’re sincerely trying to do good, they just have a very warped perception of what “good” is.

We CAN say that white supremacy as a philosophy is straight up evil, though.
 
Yes, they’re bad people.

If I may use an analogy - Water from the toilet is mostly good water. But it’s still not good to drink.
 
If they harbor hatred, they have a BIG problem, but I personally refuse to judge anybody as a “bad” person. It’s the hatred that is evil. Anyone who harbors hatred within them is at high risk for mental health problems, and even physical health problems, for the hatred they harbor will eventually get turned inward, against oneself.
 
Rhubarb said:
Yes, they’re bad people.

If I may use an analogy - Water from the toilet is mostly good water. But it’s still not good to drink.
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Interesting analogy. So you are saying that the water itself is good, right? But the impurities make it unfit for consumption.

In this way, are not the people good, but we react with disgust to the impurities?
 
OneSheep said:
Hello CAFers,

I did ponder a bit on whether to put this topic on the Spirituality forum or here. There has been a lot of talk about people who prefer their own race and condemn the outgroup, the people labeled as “racists” and “white supremacists”.

Are such people bad?

Are not all people loved by God, is not God within all his creatures?

Thanks for your responses. 🙂
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Are you asking if the actions that characterize someone as racist or white supremacist should be opposed? I definitely think we should oppose them.
 
There ARE also Black Supremacists.

Equally “bad people”.
 
I think Donald Trump already settled this: there were some very fine people on both sides. 👍 😉
 
OneSheep said:
Hello CAFers,

I did ponder a bit on whether to put this topic on the Spirituality forum or here. There has been a lot of talk about people who prefer their own race and condemn the outgroup, the people labeled as “racists” and “white supremacists”.
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If those people are black, they’d be black supremacists (NOI, pre-mainstream Islam Malcolm X for example), Indians have issues with Hindu-fundamentalists, Islam (all shades: white, black, asian, etc) have problems of extreme fundamentalism.
Are such people bad?
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Based on your above characterization - yes.
Are not all people loved by God, is not God within all his creatures?
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Yes, which is why “supremacist” beliefs based on so-called “RACE” is extremely sinful and a violation of those who are made in the image and likeness of God
 
At one time a great number of people, perhaps the majority of whites, believed that white are inherently superior. They believed it, mistakenly, because they could look around the world and just about the only people who were at all advanced technically were white.

That wasn’t “hatred” it was simply coming to the wrong conclusion based on the evidence as they knew it.

I imagine there are people who, to this day, still think that. But it doesn’t mean they are “supremacists” in the sense of thinking all non-whites should be ruled by whites, or that they “hate” non-whites.

So I don’t think we can say they’re “bad”. That’s a judgment of the state of someone’s soul, which we’re not entitled to make. It’s when it turns to hatred that it’s objectively evil.
 
The prolific Catholic writer Joseph Pearce was a white supremacist in England as a young man, landing in jail several times. His autobiography tells of how he was converted, and he’s now a great apologist for the faith. One can argue that the unconverted St. Paul was a type of hell-breathing “supremacist” before God revealed Himself to him. We need to keep the difficult balance of hating the sin while loving the sinner. God can convert even the most hardened heart. We do have to pray–a lot. I’m praying for our country during the current Rosary novena.
 
OneSheep said:
Hello CAFers,

I did ponder a bit on whether to put this topic on the Spirituality forum or here. There has been a lot of talk about people who prefer their own race and condemn the outgroup, the people labeled as “racists” and “white supremacists”.

Are such people bad?

Are not all people loved by God, is not God within all his creatures?

Thanks for your responses. 🙂
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I think most of them are just extremely ignorant, while being relatively good to their own kind. How they think is no different from gang-mentality accept the motivating factor of this particular group is race and the mythology that one’s racial identity allows them access to rights that are either greater or supersedes the rights of other races…
 
Rhubarb said:
Yes, they’re bad people.

If I may use an analogy - Water from the toilet is mostly good water. But it’s still not good to drink.
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But it can be cleaned, put through the water cycle, and eventually it can be drinkable once again.
 
Are they inherently bad people? Not anymore so than anyone else. Are they allowing themselves to believe horrible, evil things and giving themselves license to spread hate and do evil. Yes. Are they beyond all hope of redemption. No.
 
Lord Jesus, lead all souls to heaven
especially those most in need of thy mercy.
Our Father…Hail Mary x10
Glory Be…Fatima Prayer…Amen!
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
We shouldn’t judge whether someone is a “bad person.” We don’t really know what’s going on in their heart or how culpable they are. It’s possible that they’re sincerely trying to do good, they just have a very warped perception of what “good” is.

We CAN say that white supremacy as a philosophy is straight up evil, though.
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Yes, we are not to judge one another.

We do judge ourselves, though, and we think that we know what is in our hearts. So we then project motives onto others.

Do you agree that it takes a discipline to not judge, at least as a start to ending the cycle of judgment?
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“Let him without sin cast the first stone”, as it were…
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Excellent point, along the same lines. Thanks
 
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