Are white supremacists bad people?

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If they harbor hatred, they have a BIG problem, but I personally refuse to judge anybody as a “bad” person. It’s the hatred that is evil. Anyone who harbors hatred within them is at high risk for mental health problems, and even physical health problems, for the hatred they harbor will eventually get turned inward, against oneself.
I think St. Paul had it right when he referred to “sins of the flesh”. Because hatred is basically an emotional response, it is of the flesh, is it not?

Do you experience judgment as I do, a faster-than-thought gut-level reaction?

You see, I can’t just push it away or stop it from happening. I can realize that I have judged, then take the steps to understand and forgive. Do you have a different experience?
 
There ARE also Black Supremacists.

Equally “bad people”.
Well, Mr. Trump said that there were good people on both sides, which makes sense. Is the implication that there were bad people also… on either side?
 
At one time a great number of people, perhaps the majority of whites, believed that white are inherently superior. They believed it, mistakenly, because they could look around the world and just about the only people who were at all advanced technically were white.

That wasn’t “hatred” it was simply coming to the wrong conclusion based on the evidence as they knew it.

I imagine there are people who, to this day, still think that. But it doesn’t mean they are “supremacists” in the sense of thinking all non-whites should be ruled by whites, or that they “hate” non-whites.

So I don’t think we can say they’re “bad”. That’s a judgment of the state of someone’s soul, which we’re not entitled to make. It’s when it turns to hatred that it’s objectively evil.
It’s funny how they changed the definition of “white” to fit whatever narrative they deemed successful, and “black” to fit unsuccessful. It’s constantly changing goalposts to keep being racist.
 
If those people are black, they’d be black supremacists (NOI, pre-mainstream Islam Malcolm X for example), Indians have issues with Hindu-fundamentalists, Islam (all shades: white, black, asian, etc) have problems of extreme fundamentalism.
Yes, there are no societies immune to the issue.
Based on your above characterization - yes.
What would you say about the people themselves that is bad? Or, are you saying that their existence in itself is bad?
Yes, which is why “supremacist” beliefs based on so-called “RACE” is extremely sinful and a violation of those who are made in the image and likeness of God
Can we agree that supremacists beliefs are misguided? In your observation, how do these beliefs come about?
 
What would you say about the people themselves that is bad? Or, are you saying that their existence in itself is bad?
Not their existence, but something evil was taught these people. No one is born racist. It’s a learned behavior.
Can we agree that supremacists beliefs are misguided? In your observation, how do these beliefs come about?
Society, perhaps someone they trust told them some racial nonsense instead of looking for real answers. Many poorly educated folks seem to think it’s someone else’s fault they are out of work, when it’s the poor education itself that causes unemployment. Couple that with a view that is racially based, and what mainstream employer is comfortable hiring someone that vocally espouses such hate?
 
It’s interesting that in the Acts we see the Holy Spirit, by miraculous intervention, bringing Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch to convert and baptize him. “Blacks” got special treatment from God that we of the Northern European variety didn’t… we were savage pagans for along time after that still.
 
At one time a great number of people, perhaps the majority of whites, believed that white are inherently superior. They believed it, mistakenly, because they could look around the world and just about the only people who were at all advanced technically were white.
Depending on when we’re talking about, I’d have to disagree with you there. Sure, when whites couldn’t travel outside of Europe, they couldn’t see that others had elaborate technology, but there have been other advanced societies throughout history.
 
Not their existence, but something evil was taught these people. No one is born racist. It’s a learned behavior.

Society, perhaps someone they trust told them some racial nonsense instead of looking for real answers. Many poorly educated folks seem to think it’s someone else’s fault they are out of work, when it’s the poor education itself that causes unemployment. Couple that with a view that is racially based, and what mainstream employer is comfortable hiring someone that vocally espouses such hate?
I agree no one is born a racist. But no one is born with any opinions. It isn’t something merely taught. While some people are raised with racist views other people come to racist opinions all on their own. Just as a matter of simple logic their can’t be an actual infinity of racist parents raising children with racist views.
 
Not their existence, but something evil was taught these people. No one is born racist. It’s a learned behavior.
No. It’s inherent. Civilised behaviour (which is only behaviour designed to make us civil, i.e. grow civilisations) teaches us to ignore it.
 
It’s funny how they changed the definition of “white” to fit whatever narrative they deemed successful, and “black” to fit unsuccessful. It’s constantly changing goalposts to keep being racist.
If you’ll forgive me for piggy-backing on your observation, I have likewise discovered that in conversations about gay persons, some of the alt-right will claim that ALL gay people are sexually active, and then when confronted with ones who are not, will say that those ones are not really gay.
 
No. It’s inherent. Civilised behaviour (which is only behaviour designed to make us civil, i.e. grow civilisations) teaches us to ignore it.
Young children aren’t racist until they learn it from their families and then civilization has an uphill climb. So while one could say it is inherited, like poverty, it is not inherent.
 
Not their existence, but something evil was taught these people. No one is born racist. It’s a learned behavior.
Yes, but life has a way of teaching people too. What might these people have experienced that grew their resentment? After all, sustained racism begins with resentment, right?
Society, perhaps someone they trust told them some racial nonsense instead of looking for real answers. Many poorly educated folks seem to think it’s someone else’s fault they are out of work, when it’s the poor education itself that causes unemployment. Couple that with a view that is racially based, and what mainstream employer is comfortable hiring someone that vocally espouses such hate?
Well, when one is brought up with racist thinking, a person may not know what the “real answers” are. The racism itself is seen as the reality. The racism is one error, the perception that there are different values of people based on color or other factors. The second factor is the resentment. Do you see the resentment?
 
You can love bad people. It doesn’t mean they’re entirely rotten, irredeemable, or entirely culpable, but we shouldn’t have to mince words about calling out evil when we see it.
 
I think most of them are just extremely ignorant, while being relatively good to their own kind. How they think is no different from gang-mentality accept the motivating factor of this particular group is race and the mythology that one’s racial identity allows them access to rights that are either greater or supersedes the rights of other races…
I think you are picking up on the human desire to be in control, to dominate, which I think is an accurate observation. We are born with the capacity, and compulsion, to ingroup/outgroup thinking, which has been studied in pre-lingual babies.

Can you relate to the ingroup/outgroup thinking? It is also very present in political affiliations.
 
Are they inherently bad people? Not anymore so than anyone else. Are they allowing themselves to believe horrible, evil things and giving themselves license to spread hate and do evil. Yes. Are they beyond all hope of redemption. No.
Why do people “allow themselves” to hate? Is there a deeper want?
 
You can love bad people. It doesn’t mean they’re entirely rotten, irredeemable, or entirely culpable, but we shouldn’t have to mince words about calling out evil when we see it.
Very good points, Wesrock. We shouldn’t have to mince words.

Are white supremicists bad people? If so, can you relate to being thought of as a bad person? i.e., is it possible that anyone ever thought of you as bad?
 
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