Are you Catholic? Why or why not?

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Omar_Gatskill said:
Nah, I think the poster is pretty much in the ball park. I was a devout practicing Catholic for many years and Catholicism does not teach Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
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The Council of Trent, Sixth Session

ON JUSTIFICATION

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

I wonder which Catholicism are you talking about here…
 
Little_Mary said:
If you believe these things, then you still have a great deal to learn about the Catholic faith.
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Silly me, I thought that 13 years of Catholic education and a completely Catholic and supporting family would have been able to adequately teach me how to be Catholic.
 
wendit said:
Silly me, I thought that 13 years of Catholic education and a completely Catholic and supporting family would have been able to adequately teach me how to be Catholic.
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I am a Catholic of 33 years, grew up in a thoroughly Catholic family, and went through Catholic education, and I still am learning about my faith 😉
 
PerryJ said:
I am very happy that the gentleman has found Christ and persues the knowldge about Christ. I do not understand how one that reviews the faith can follow a Church that was created to support Henry the VIII lust. Clearly in history the King was a staunch Catholic until he continued to commit adultery. Can a Church be based upon such a sin? After Queen Mary placed the faith again within the Catholic Faith, Queen Elizabeth broke from the Church again. If one reads about these times Queen Elizabeth’s motive were not of noble origin.

Often people site failures of the Pope; however, the Pope did not create our religion. Christ created our religion. Our mass originate with the Apostles not a layman centuries later.

Why do Lutherans not study Luther and understand that he supported the murder of 400,000 people. That the very items he rejected were later instituted in his Church. That his changes in the Bible was proved to be an error.

Why do Calvinist not abhor how he killed people and denigrated individuals within his city. Why do they not challenge his thoughts of double predestination? As a former Baptist we were never taught our faith and what double predestination meant. It was easier to refute the Catholic Faith based upon well publicised errors in fact.
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Lutheranism has nothing to do with Henry the anything, nor would it matter. Is that the Anglican church that he refers to? I poke at the lineage of the Pope because it is the Catholics claim to fame, or authority. If the Pope was corrupted, wouldn’t also the authority that he claims to possess? Luther did not teach predestination since that theory is not biblical. The word is the authority not he person that the reformation was named for. There is no need to examine Luther’s life or actions because they are irrelevant in my relationship with the Savior.
 
eddadonkey said:
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How appropriate, since we are all (without exception) in a desperate war for our souls 👍
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No, the war has been won my friend, rest easy, as Paul said: preach nothing but Christ crucified for all! The sentence you wrote is exactly what is wrong with the teachings of Catholic church. (no Christ:()
 
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wendit said:
No, the war has been won my friend, rest easy, as Paul said: preach nothing but Christ crucified for all!
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Oh cool! So there are no souls going to hell anymore? That’s great!

I need to know! Where is the evidence for this?
wendit said:
The sentence you wrote is exactly what is wrong with the teachings of Catholic church. (no Christ:()
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You never have been into a Catholic Mass, have you?
 
eddadonkey said:
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The Council of Trent, Sixth Session

ON JUSTIFICATION

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

I wonder which Catholicism are you talking about here…
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You really are dense. Let me help you understand what the Catholic church teaches:

“If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification).

The key word was “alone”
 
eddadonkey said:
I am a Catholic of 33 years, grew up in a thoroughly Catholic family, and went through Catholic education, and I still am learning about my faith 😉
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I wonder how many years it really takes to sift through the BS that the Catholic church has compiled?
 
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wendit said:
You really are dense. Let me help you understand what the Catholic church teaches:

“If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification).

The key word was “alone”
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Again, I agree, it is grace through faith alone, but tell me, has grace ever told us to do nothing, hmm? If I do not do what God’s grace tells me to do, then do I have faith?

And also, can you tell me anything about this: “But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them–yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.” 1 Corinthians 15:10
 
eddadonkey said:
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Oh cool! So there are no souls going to hell anymore? That’s great!

I need to know! Where is the evidence for this?

You never have been into a Catholic Mass, have you?
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I apologize, I thought that when you said we, you were referring to Christians. Now I will give you the proof: (John 3:16) “For God so loved the world the he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” How can you argue with words straight out of Jesus’ mouth?

What do you mean by “into”?
 
wendit said:
True, but your mistake is that works creates faith. In fact, faith creates works, true evidence of a Christian. For example: a man who is engaged in performing a good work for the benefit of his neighbor in no way could be strengthening his faith in Christ without the knowledge of him. As the Holy Spirit works through the word, our faith is strengthened, that faith will compel us to live as Christ has instructed.
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What? Works does not create faith. Where does that come from? Why on earth would you think that I believe that?

We are saved by grace through faith. As St. Paul says so that no one can boast. It comes from God. And I thank Him every single day that He made me Catholic.

Remember James; Faith without works is dead. We must have works or Christ will tell us that He does not know us. We did not live out His Word. We must love our neighbor, we must take care of the sick and the poor and the prisoners.
 
eddadonkey said:
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The Council of Trent, Sixth Session

ON JUSTIFICATION

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

I wonder which Catholicism are you talking about here…
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Ain’t it amazin’ how some fallen away Catholics describe teachings of the Church which do not exist?
 
wendit said:
Silly me, I thought that 13 years of Catholic education and a completely Catholic and supporting family would have been able to adequately teach me how to be Catholic.
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Guess you are either wrong or you did not listen.
 
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wendit said:
I apologize, I thought that when you said we, you were referring to Christians. Now I will give you the proof: (John 3:16) “For God so loved the world the he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” How can you argue with words straight out of Jesus’ mouth?
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Now, what does Jesus mean by “believe”? Clue: Look at John 3:36.
wendit said:
What do you mean by “into”?
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Sorry, I mean “been in a Catholic Mass”. The English language is my second language.
 
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wendit said:
I retract the comment, my language was inappropriate. Sorry for any disrespect.
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:aok: No biggies, discussions like this can get very heated.

And if I come do it to you also, my apologies.
 
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